Update on David Stone-he is staying at Oklahoma

[JamesQuall]

The boldness deserves its own thread. I have a lot strong opinions about this topic but I’m not trying to stir up the boards.

As far as the 25’ class, this staff was naive enough to think the W’s would get players cheaper. It totally backfired on their faces. Evidently, they have not learned their lessons and aren’t willing to play the game correctly.

College Football is nothing like the NFL. There is no “salary cap.” It’s more like the MLB, where the biggest spenders are going to be the most successful. A simple concept we refuse to accept for some strange reason.

Miami also has another problem where it has one the best of best budgets in the country and can’t even install an average defense and make a playoff with a garbage schedule. 25’ starting to feel like Deja vu with this roster.

This staff thinks it is smarter than what they actually are when it comes to kids value.

This is absolutely infuriated to read. Our only chance at playing Moneyball was during the Richt era, maybe with Diaz, but he didn't have the smarts or the backing to do that.

Now, you're saying we have the Dodger's budget but the Rockies front office?

Mario seemingly can't get out of his own way. The only time he seems to course correct is after it's far too late. It's like when he goes to salvage his sunken boat the first thing he does is put the drain plug in (the reason the boat sank in the first place).

 

[1mg of Epi]

Jeremiah Smith,

Your comp is the most sure fire recruit to come outta SoFla in generations, on a team loaded with other 5 star receivers.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Make it happen only a handful of positions to go hard after money wise
2 WRs
1 DT
1LB
2 Safety

We need one big elite wr , stone for dt , one safety if we don’t move a big cb we move to safety . Our lbs should be good but im okay with another lb

 

[CANESCANES]

I think we as fans have to recalibrate.
I love stars just as much as everyone else. But a freshman all American has way less red flags and proven production than stone.
You guys really think that Venables who’s produced and evaluated multiple first round dlineman was really gonna offer less money to an elite dlineman??

Remember when Clemson had 3 juniors with day one projections stay for their senior year. You think they stayed for free??

There is a reason why the Syracuse kid has visits set up to big spenders. The reason is proven production and freshman all American honors at a position that commands top dollar.

No way I risk disrupting the locker room with a potential diva that’s gonna complain about the rotation and was low balled by a school who’s head coach is regarded as a good evaluator and producer of talent in the line.

This is star chasing 101.
Look at Jalen brown at fsu.
Why didn’t the best schools go after him when he left lsu? Because he couldn’t produce at a top program and he hasn’t done jack sht at fsu either.
What about Hakeem in the portal? Top 5 in the country. Dude isn’t not gonna sign with a frontrunner at all.

You don’t low ball a player with elite potential especially when you know they can bounce if you **** them off. If they did low ball him there should’ve been no surprise that he bounced. And it looks like they ain’t trying too hard to keep him.

Imagine is Alabama ran off 5 star Jihaad Campbell after this freshman year

1. Stone took the pay cut after the season ended.

2. A week ago Venebales said Stone was the most improved DL this spring

3. Justin Scott and Stone played the same amount of snaps, and same production in their freshman years

4. Stone is rated the #1 DL, #10 overall player in the winter and spring portal

5. I’ve seen plenty of “Freshman All American” regress the following year and not do a **** thing the rest of their careers too

 

[mainecane]

Just think of Cristobal now as a GM for a NFL team. He has to deal with salary cap funds available, free agency, contract renewals, renegotiation of existing contracts, Agents and PLAYER PARENTS. I'm expecting NCAA Fantasy Football (and betting) within 2 years with all that comes with it!

 

[Golsen82]

Blount is a DE as of now

Artavious Jones would he portal if we get Stone

 

[JamesQuall]

I reread the entire thread, all 7 pages and 137 post. Only a handful (being generous) were saying we don’t have money and only one of those wasn’t in defense of the staff. Meanwhile the overwhelming number of post pushing back we’re saying we have the money but it’s allocation of it.

Ignore him. His orange and green goggles cut circulation to his head.

Miami, Mario, and co can absolutely do no wrong. And if they do it's because the sun was in their eyes. Must've been the wind. Someone was talking in their back swing. That didn't count because they were tired. They ate popcorn right before. It was the previous guys fault. So on and so forth.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Artavious Jones would he portal if we get Stone

So be it

 

[BCntyCane]

Artavious Jones would he portal if we get Stone

Good bye. He ain’t ever going to see field at Miami anyways

 

[1mg of Epi]

Message board arm chair QBs are hilarious. Some of you have no clue the magnitude of what this has become and what goes on in structuring a team and cap and dealing with players, agents, opposing schools, handlers, entourages, camps whatever you want to call it. College football is not 2000 anymore. It’s a freaking massive money organization that requires a lot of people to manage 85 kids and tracking hundreds more in HS and other schools always one phone call away from transferring. Not to mention it’s not bag drops anymore. It’s well funded collectives at more than the SEC.

And it is not just money. It’s putting together a complete squad to compete. It’s allocating resources in the best possible way within a budget. Nobody bats 100% not even in the NFL. Also give a kid some money they might not be as motivated. Who knows what happens with HS kids all the time. Not to mention kids so many kids are just leaving after a year or 2 in a program. They aren’t growing. For example Willis McGhee would’ve been gone after a year. He was looking to leave. Had Gore, Portis, Jackson ahead of him. He stayed. And he ended up with one of the best seasons ever for a RB. Guys have no patience and many can’t see the forest thru the trees.

I have marginal insight but enough and @DMoney knows a ton and is beyond plugged in but this is not so easy. It’s a free for all right now.

I trust our coaches and staff. Yes we had a crap defense last year. Wasted the best offense we ever had. Hopefully it gets better.

The problem here is one of expectations… Don’t send your surrogates out saying “If an impact player at X position hits the portal, Miami will go hard after him”, only for the surrogates to walk that back once said impact players hit the portal.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I’m told Miami has interest in Oklahoma DT transfer David Stone but, as with Trebor Pena, this is not as far along as is being reported.

In terms of allocation, the focus remains on adding an impact WR with speed, a starting safety, and retaining our own impact players amidst aggressive bids from other schools.

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What is Miami's croqueta budget?

Do we need to rally the abuelas in the kitchens?

Ahora meng!

 

[CANESCANES]

Artavious Jones would he portal if we get Stone

I would send a lot more to the portal to make room for Stone

High upside, impact players is what wins you championships

 

[htownkidd]

Good bye. He ain’t ever going to see field at Miami anyways

What are you basing this on?

 

[tdjones34]

Artavious Jones would he portal if we get Stone

I like jones and think he will be fine year 3-4, but you get stone and worry about it later if possible

 

[Golsen82]

I would send a lot more to the portal to make room for Stone

High upside, impact players is what wins you championships

Need scott and stone

 

[Empirical Cane]

Oklahoma is not a poverty progrum.

Why is Stone available?

 

[Calinative]

I’m a bit confused by the retention aspect that’s apparently a big block.

We just lost Cam Ward, Martinez, Barrow, Restrepo, George, Brown, Arroyo, Baron and Powell. Patterson was on a nice NIL deal, so was Carr. Same with both Horton’s. Even Riley Williams and Rudolph were getting some $$$.

We signed like 2-3 guys in the winter portal worth considerable $. We upped Jordan Lyle’s bag so that he wouldn’t transfer. The HS class sure as heck doesn’t reflect a top tier NIL allocation, because remember - we were told that we were going to spend on portal guys instead, since they were more proven commodities. Absolutely fine take to have at the time, in fact I’m for it.

So the question is - are we penny pinching, are we waiting for someone or a few guys to enter, or who the heck did we overpay for very very badly?

2-3?
Uh we signed 5 DBs, one of the highest paid QBs, and one of the top DTs. How do you get only spending Big on 2-3 out of that group? And we brought in a starting center.

I agree with your point as it relates to Stone specifically, and mostly because he is multi-yr solution. We should have him as 2nd priority to top WR.

 

[CANESCANES]

Oklahoma is not a poverty progrum.

Why is Stone available?

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Why did Miami just a year ago have him as their #1 priority ?

 

[canes_226]

It I had to take a wild guess is we overpaid for Beck and for the secondary. And everyone else is on relative market value deals. Spring portal window seems like guys just looking for the highest bidder finding a desperate team looking to overpay. My guess is we would overpay for a true outside WR 1 but maybe not necessarily a highly rated DT with only 1 year of tape.

Sad that Horton or even Brown bounced cause otherwise I would actually think we would be ok.

 

[Canesince02]

Hmmmm

But losing badly and the suck tax was all part of the plan…

FSU suck tax got to be higher than the Chineses tariff