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Evaluations are critical. The best player in the National Football League was a 3 Star, who attended the local school.
 
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It's always interesting to see things like this, even though it's becoming less and less common. Those guys came out 10+ years ago.
 
Imagine what some would do in a Frank Ponce led offense.
 
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Cooper Kupp and Hendrickson are the only legit ones.

Aaron Donald was good enough to go to the local area school in Pitt.

Me being an fau alumni i lightly remember the Hendrickson kid early on like he is a steal for FAU when seen him as a fresh or soph there.
 
Canefam said:
It's always interesting to see things like this, even though it's becoming less and less common. Those guys came out 10+ years ago.
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Couple of things here....
  • The composite in 2022 had 384 4 stars so both Von and AD would have been 4 stars with Von being a solid 4 star.
  • The actual numbers say that it isn't that interesting. The majority of all prospects are 3 stars or lower, the numbers say that there should be a ton of them in the league.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
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Evaluations are critical. The best player in the National Football League was a 3 Star, who attended the local school.
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Look, nothing personal, I realize you didn't put the graphic together...

BUT HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS MYTHOLOGICAL BULL$H!TE?

SEVEN guys? And one is a kicker and another is a punter.

And then another two were TOP 500 GUYS? Oh, waaaaah, waaaaah, they were "only" three stars...would we be able to solve all the world's problems IF ONLY Von Miller and Aaron Donald had gotten a 4th star? Again, this is not you, this is on Fox Sports and the random intern to whom they handed the Super Bowl rosters and said "go on 247 and get me the lowest rated kids, as high schoolers, who are playing in the Super Bowl today".

There are only THREE guys who have any sort of complaint whatsoever. And, really...only ONE guy, Cooper Kupp. At least the other two guys actually got rated with stars, one want to a Power Five school and the other went to a G5 school.

"Evaluations are critical"? Yeah, but by who? The coaches, I agree. What do I care whether 247's evaluations say these kids are highly rated or lower rated? Is UM bound to follow those evaluations?

There will always be guys who bloom late because they grow, or they transform their bodies, or they get 4 solid years of playing time that they might not have gotten if they were defensive linemen who signed with an SEC team in Texas that runs a 3-4 but takes 10 defensive linemen in the same year.

Thanks, Fox Sports. What a worthless and uninsightful graphic.
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
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U have to find them that's the hard part. U can never tell who's going to get stronger how someone will grow (pause). Impossible to tell some just get lucky and land these dudes
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, nothing personal, I realize you didn't put the graphic together...

BUT HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS MYTHOLOGICAL BULL$H!TE?

SEVEN guys? And one is a kicker and another is a punter.

And then another two were TOP 500 GUYS? Oh, waaaaah, waaaaah, they were "only" three stars...would we be able to solve all the world's problems IF ONLY Von Miller and Aaron Donald had gotten a 4th star? Again, this is not you, this is on Fox Sports and the random intern to whom they handed the Super Bowl rosters and said "go on 247 and get me the lowest rated kids, as high schoolers, who are playing in the Super Bowl today".

There are only THREE guys who have any sort of complaint whatsoever. And, really...only ONE guy, Cooper Kupp. At least the other two guys actually got rated with stars, one want to a Power Five school and the other went to a G5 school.

"Evaluations are critical"? Yeah, but by who? The coaches, I agree. What do I care whether 247's evaluations say these kids are highly rated or lower rated? Is UM bound to follow those evaluations?

There will always be guys who bloom late because they grow, or they transform their bodies, or they get 4 solid years of playing time that they might not have gotten if they were defensive linemen who signed with an SEC team in Texas that runs a 3-4 but takes 10 defensive linemen in the same year.

Thanks, Fox Sports. What a worthless and uninsightful graphic.
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No offense taken, but three of the players on that list -- Donald, Miller, and Kupp -- are arguably the Top 3 players on their team.

No one is saying stars don't matter. Absolutely. No one. That's not the take away from this list.

There's plenty of value in this list, mainly, your evaluations ability is what truly separates you. This where Jimmy and Butch really stood above the rest.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
No offense taken, but three of the players on that list -- Donald, Miller, and Kupp -- are arguably the Top 3 players on their team.

No one is saying stars don't matter. Absolutely. No one. That's not the take away from this list.

There's plenty of value in this list, mainly, your evaluations ability is what truly separates you. This where Jimmy and Butch really stood above the rest.
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And 2 of the players you named were locked up by their local schools...evaluation or star rating be damned...so they truly werent underrecruited.
 
Half of the starters from both teams were either 4 or 5 starts.
I agree with OP evaluations and development matters.
Is not about stars but the talent, dedication and personality of the players you do get.
Give me the half of three stars or lower and we have a great team.

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supersaiyanshel said:
No offense taken, but three of the players on that list -- Donald, Miller, and Kupp -- are arguably the Top 3 players on their team.

No one is saying stars don't matter. Absolutely. No one. That's not the take away from this list.

There's plenty of value in this list, mainly, your evaluations ability is what truly separates you. This where Jimmy and Butch really stood above the rest.
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And, again, two of those three received POWER FIVE scholarship offers. Maybe this Fox Sports graphic would actually mean something if "low 247 rankings" had prevented those players from getting scholarships, but that didn't happen.

Maybe Fox Sports can write an article saying "online sports writer nerds fail to predict which high school players will be on Super Bowl rosters in 5-10 years". Because THAT would be an accurate headline.

Again, the determination of the coaches is what should be of most importance. And both Donald and Miller got P5 scholarships from P5 coaches, regardless of whatever horrors the 247 writers inflicted on them with their mean rankings.
 
gogeta4 said:
And 2 of the players you named were locked up by their local schools...evaluation or star rating be damned...so they truly werent underrecruited.
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I guess we have to define underrecruited (which is my titling, so that is on me). Are we talking quality of offers or quantity? I'm sure every one of these players had 20+ offers. But quality wise, Vonn Miller definitely had a LIST, but Donald and Kupp definitely had a **** list.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And, again, two of those three received POWER FIVE scholarship offers. Maybe this Fox Sports graphic would actually mean something if "low 247 rankings" had prevented those players from getting scholarships, but that didn't happen.

Maybe Fox Sports can write an article saying "online sports writer nerds fail to predict which high school players will be on Super Bowl rosters in 5-10 years". Because THAT would be an accurate headline.

Again, the determination of the coaches is what should be of most importance. And both Donald and Miller got P5 scholarships from P5 coaches, regardless of whatever horrors the 247 writers inflicted on them with their mean rankings.
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Agreed.

It's just interesting and insightful (to me at least), that the best DT to ever play the game's best offers were from Pitt and Rutgers, and the first triple crown WR winner had NO Power 5 offers. It's not an indictment on anybody or any program. This isn't new information. You can say the same thing about the best WR and best RB of all time.
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
Agreed.

It's just interesting and insightful (to me at least), that the best DT to ever play the game's best offers were from Pitt and Rutgers, and the first triple crown WR winner had NO Power 5 offers. It's not an indictment on anybody or any program. This isn't new information. You can say the same thing about the best WR and best RB of all time.
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It's all good. I hope you realize, I am not being critical of you personally, I'm just reflecting how these types of "insightful graphics" get put together every year by media outlets, as if there is so much injustice involved in the natural imprecision of evaluating HS football players.

---I think almost any of the "talent gurus" such as LCE would tell you that LINEMEN are the hardest high school kids to project, whether that is due to physical growth spurts, poor HS coaching, or the fact that OLs don't get the chance to work the 7-on-7 circuits and whatnot.

---I'm not sure who you have slated as the "best WR" and "best RB" of all time. If you are talking about Jerry Rice, he went to a historically black college (Mississippi Valley State)...IN 1981...let's not forget, that UM's own Ray Bellamy was the FIRST BLACK PLAYER TO GET A FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP AT A DIVISION I-A COLLEGE SOUTH OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE...in 1967...Alabama (Bear Bryant) didn't allow black players until 1971...and other southern schools followed...so I don't think it was so shocking in 1981, before there were ever any recruting services, for a black kid from Mississippi to go to a historically black college.

---And if you are talking about Walter Payton, then here's what he has in common with Jerry Rice...HE'S FROM MISSISSIPPI...so, yeah, he went to a historically black college (Jackson State) in 1971...where in the **** was Walter Payton supposed to go in Mississippi? Ole Miss? Mississippi State? I'm not sure how old you are (that's no insult, it's just a general question), but there are a ton of younger posters who have NO IDEA how bad segregation was...RECENTLY...like, within the lifetimes of currently-living great athletes...

---As for Aaron Donald, he was from Pennsylvania. Pitt and Rutgers are "hometown schools". I have no idea whether he did camps or any other activities to raise his profile, but as I pointed out earlier, linemen are notoriously hard to project. And in that part of the country, there simply aren't a lot of great programs that might come out to scout him. Ped State and Ohio State, sure. But after that? What other good programs are in that area that hold camps or send coaches out to scout and recruit each week? West Virginia? Cincy (which wasn't as good back then)? Maryland?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, nothing personal, I realize you didn't put the graphic together...

BUT HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS MYTHOLOGICAL BULL$H!TE?

SEVEN guys? And one is a kicker and another is a punter.

And then another two were TOP 500 GUYS? Oh, waaaaah, waaaaah, they were "only" three stars...would we be able to solve all the world's problems IF ONLY Von Miller and Aaron Donald had gotten a 4th star? Again, this is not you, this is on Fox Sports and the random intern to whom they handed the Super Bowl rosters and said "go on 247 and get me the lowest rated kids, as high schoolers, who are playing in the Super Bowl today".

There are only THREE guys who have any sort of complaint whatsoever. And, really...only ONE guy, Cooper Kupp. At least the other two guys actually got rated with stars, one want to a Power Five school and the other went to a G5 school.

"Evaluations are critical"? Yeah, but by who? The coaches, I agree. What do I care whether 247's evaluations say these kids are highly rated or lower rated? Is UM bound to follow those evaluations?

There will always be guys who bloom late because they grow, or they transform their bodies, or they get 4 solid years of playing time that they might not have gotten if they were defensive linemen who signed with an SEC team in Texas that runs a 3-4 but takes 10 defensive linemen in the same year.

Thanks, Fox Sports. What a worthless and uninsightful graphic.
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Yeah, I was just thinking about development. Some guys put on a lot of size in college or switch positions or just get much better. Not every low-ranked HS kid who goes on to the NFL was underrated. It's nonsense to look at today and decide that everybody should have known what would happen back then. People want to treat these ratings as infallible which is nonsense. Most of the time they tell the story, once in a while not.
 
jwcane97 said:
Lets take 2 of those with a grain of salt. MacPherson and Hekker are kicker and punter, respectively. Not getting many 5* kickers...

OK, unless it IS the gaytors who think MacPherson should have been a 6*.
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Specialists never get rated more than 3 stars, so even if you sign the #1 kicker in the country, he’s just a 3 star player.
 
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