Uncle Luke - All Black Players and Coaches Should Boycott FSU

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Think he had similar comments about Miami after Shannon
I'd disagree about Shannon as he was given four years to get it done and just couldn't. But like it or not name any other coach that inherited such a **** show and wasn't even given two full seasons to turn it around. I don't care what anybody says and who doesn't like it but Campbell is right. Had he not been Black he would've been given more time. Fire away, I can return it.
 
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their hate of the hire, regardless of race, was warranted. texas was 16-21 under strong with no winning seasons and a loss to ******* kansas.
He's referring to when he first got there. How was that warranted when it was before the record you speak of?
 
So you think that it’s coincidence that African American coaches don’t get the same amount time to have success? I’m no Taggart fan but we all know that black coaches are not afforded the same opportunities as their white counterparts that’s just a fact
Some people simply choose to ignore this unpopular truth but a truth it remains. Water will always be wet and the steadfast denial is nothing short of asinine.
 
how many people on this board openly hated diaz's hire? or golden's? or shannon's? or coker's?

strong was a bad hire that caught lightning in a bottle with bridgewater.
Ok, fair enough. Again, I'm no UT football expert. But I'm sticking behind my personal belief that Charlie Strong walked into a very different situation than Willie Taggart did.
 
I have no way (and probably no one on here) has any semblance of knowing this is true. If I, however, was going to design an analysis to mathematically define it and provide an actual result this is what I would do (rather than ranting and raving though there are some nice points here):

-Define the problem in modern times, or the 21st century. Among, cfb coaches with a hire date of January 1, 2000 or afterwards (to get a solid sample size) up to December 31 of this year.
-Treat race (white/Black African American) as my main exposure variable.
-Measure time of exposure as time from that hire date to time of firing (not time of getting a promotion). The outcomes would be constrained by coaches who were fired only.
-I would test the hypothesis that the time to firing among whites is equal to that among blacks as a crude estimate in a proportional hazard model
-I would then adjust for (in a separate proportional hazard model) baseline winning percentage (or winning percentage as a head coach prior to being hired. Or maybe an indicator for any prior HC experience), 10-year (or some measure for historical record) program winning percentage prior to being hired, distribution of African Americans at given university, geographic region, and any other covariates (can't think of on top of head).
-probably incorporate a weight into the model accounting for any covariate imbalance (by race) in the effect of race on time to fire date to reduce bias

-That, in a decent way is a solid way of how to see if there is in fact a racial bias for time to fire date, both crudely and with more societal context.

All of us (including Luke) yelling and gesticulating doesn't really do anything. Though its fun to discuss and see people's inherent ideological leanings :)
 
Like someone said above, it's not just that the noles are putting a bad football product on the field, I think the way they are carrying themselves as a team is even worse to the powers that be up there. They simply look completely undisciplined and out of control. Saturday was a downright embarrassment on many levels.
They've done this before only then they were winning so it was overlooked.
 
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I have no way (and probably no one on here) has any semblance of knowing this is true. If I, however, was going to design an analysis to mathematically define it and provide an actual result this is what I would do (rather than ranting and raving though there are some nice points here):

-Define the problem in modern times, or the 21st century. Among, cfb coaches with a hire date of January 1, 2000 or afterwards (to get a solid sample size) up to December 31 of this year.
-Treat race (white/Black African American) as my main exposure variable.
-Measure time of exposure as time from that hire date to time of firing (not time of getting a promotion). The outcomes would be constrained by coaches who were fired only.
-I would test the hypothesis that the time to firing among whites is equal to that among blacks as a crude estimate in a proportional hazard model
-I would then adjust for (in a separate proportional hazard model) baseline winning percentage (or winning percentage as a head coach prior to being hired. Or maybe an indicator for any prior HC experience), 10-year (or some measure for historical record) program winning percentage prior to being hired, distribution of African Americans at given university, geographic region, and any other covariates (can't think of on top of head).
-probably incorporate a weight into the model accounting for any covariate imbalance (by race) in the effect of race on time to fire date to reduce bias

-That, in a decent way is a solid way of how to see if there is in fact a racial bias for time to fire date, both crudely and with more societal context.

All of us (including Luke) yelling and gesticulating doesn't really do anything. Though its fun to discuss and see people's inherent ideological leanings :)
You can't qualify or quantify this. Not in the least.
 
Ok, fair enough. Again, I'm no UT football expert. But I'm sticking behind my personal belief that Charlie Strong walked into a very different situation than Willie Taggart did.

if you think that texas fans are somehow more racist than the slime that lives in tallahassee, i have a bridge to sell you.
 
For real though, Jimbo ruined the team. Not even giving Willie 2 years to fix it is questionable. Has a FBS coach EVER been fired in under 2 years for strictly performance-related reasons? You have a handful of coaches fired for cause like O'Leary (lying on resume) or the coach fired for domestic violence (I think at Pitt). I can't remember a coach only getting 1.5 years and a school throwing in the towel.

Would they have fired a white HC with the same record? Maybe, but I doubt it as I cant remember it happening before (for strictly performance related reasons). Was it racist to fire Willie? No, but I think his being a black HC made it a lot easier for the admin in Tallahassee to justify it.
 
I actually agree with Luke here. Boycott FSU.
 
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I see so much denial now, but I remember many in this fanbase that racially bashed Shannon. As I've stated earlier, he couldn't get it done and was given ample time, ok, fire the guy. But anyone who's being honest knows dam well on canestime there was mad racist crap being thrown at Shannon. So the thought of such sentiment in Tallahassee being denied and anything less than both highly influential and squarely involved is a joke.
 
I'm not sure those two are comparable, however. Those in the know painted a picture of an environment Charlie walked into in Austin that was doomed from the start. And it had a lot to do with deeply embedded racism in the powers that be there. The amount of people who openly hated the Charlie Strong hire at Texas right off the bat was pretty jaw dropping. I never at all felt that was the same for willie. People were downright jumping for joy when willie was hired, it seemed. He just produced abysmally there. Not just bad football, but a team that looks completely out of control. It's been that way every game for 2 straight seasons now. That's what caused people to turn on willie. Very different situation from what Charlie faced, IMO.
Austin is one of the most progressive towns in Texas. Football is a religion in that region. Charlie had a short lease because like Willie, he couldn't do nothing with Top 10 recruiting classes.
 
Oh man. Get the popcorn and cue the Joker "and here we go" gif. That being said, is the FSU AD related to Earl Weaver? That was a quick hook.
 
because he wasn't a proven commodity. he had two great seasons riding teddy's arm in a dog **** conference.
But still, it was BEFORE the record you speak of. Come off it man you know the REAL reason they howled about his hiring at UT.
 
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