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UNC transfer Devontez Walker denied too - NCAA changed their mind, he's eligible now

TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I understand the "technicalities" of this argument, but it's still BULL****. Everyone knew that the NCAA was going to crack down on waivers, and nobody should be able to argue "but I enrolled two days early". It's garbage. The first day of UM classes are LATER than the first day of classes at state schools (Miami is private), so would that mean that a kid who goes to a state school (with a slightly longer semester) can have eligibility, while a kid who enrolls on January 13th does not?

Go by the SEMESTER. The rule was intended to apply for the SPRING SEMESTER, and everyone knew it was coming, so let's not get cute with "but but but I enrolled two days before the well-known rule change that was telegraphed well in advance".
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But it doesn't change the fact the NCAA changed the rules after the kid already transferred.

"On January 11, the Division I Council—which includes a voting representative from each Division I conference—voted unanimously to significantly tighten the criteria for undergraduate students who transfer for a second time to be granted a waiver to play immediately.​
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"As a result of the DI Council vote, multiple-time transfers who cannot demonstrate and adequately document a personal need for medical or safety reasons to depart the previous school are not eligible to compete immediately following their second undergraduate transfer. National office staff, at the direction of NCAA members, have begun applying those criteria for multiple-time transfers for the 2023-24 academic year."​

If you want to argue that it gives some schools an advantage b/c of their semester start dates, fine but then you should be upset with the NCAA. They should have either announced the policy prior to portal opening or made it effective for a different timeline.

And from the way that tweet is worded ('at the time they decided to transfer'), it sounds like they would look at when the kid entered the portal and not when they actually enrolled anyway - which I think is the right decision.
 
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Im Still confused a little, when has a player EVeR been able to transfer to 3 and then 4 schools and been eligible to play that year?


Like what rule adopted would change that?
 
I get the frustrations because the guise of sick families but players like Jackson need to realize you played at two schools why in the world would they allow you a third lol
 
Logic says don’t punish kids when you changed the rules to the changed rules they based a decision on.

Grandfather them and set the new rule forward. Horrible organization
 
gacaneaddict said:
Im Still confused a little, when has a player EVeR been able to transfer to 3 and then 4 schools and been eligible to play that year?


Like what rule adopted would change that?
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Up until a few years ago a player was allowed to transfer, but they couldn't play right away unless they got an exemption. The school they were transferring from also had the right to impose all sorts of restrictions on where they could transfer to. The restrictions were often around upcoming opponents, other schools in the conference, etc but many coaches started abusing it and limiting the kids from going to schools that was very hard to justify. This started culminating around the same time the NCAA was getting legal setbacks in other areas and they go spooked so they opened up to one free transfer w/o restrictions.

After the first transfer, players were supposed to have to get a waiver in order to transfer and be able to play immediately, but the NCAA rarely - if ever - imposed that restriction so there were a few years that players were transferring multiple times and the NCAA was rubber stamping the waivers. One of the unofficial reasons for being able to transfer was a head coaching change. The NCAA decided earlier this year that they would no longer rubber stamp waivers - which I personally agree with - and announced as such. The issue (IMO) is that they announced a change to how they would handle waivers (even if those changes were just to enforce policies that they did not before), but applied that to students who had already passed the point of turning back.

The fact that they announced new requirements after this kid already transferred would be bad enough, but in his case it gets even more complicated. He committed to one school, but never enrolled as he had an injury before the season started. He then enrolled at another school a year later, but never played a down b/c they cancelled the season due to COVID. He then transferred to Kent State where he played 2 years before transferring to UNC. So over the previous four years he has been tied to 3 schools, but he never actually enrolled at the first one and the second one cancelled the season while he was there w/o anyone at the school playing a down and then he played 2 years at Kent State. So he really had only played for one team prior to UNC.

From a selfish Miami fan perspective, I rather he not be eligible at UNC, but from a being fair to everyone perspective I think the right thing is to let the kid play.

Also, while not applicable in this case, it's pretty ****ed up that the NCAA will not grant you immediately eligibility if a school decides not to renew your scholarship and you already transferred once.
 
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The U is back to work said:
I get the frustrations because the guise of sick families but players like Jackson need to realize you played at two schools why in the world would they allow you a third lol
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I think Jackson's situation is a little different as he actually played for 2 different teams prior to FSU as opposed to the UNC kid, but that being said he still decided to transfer and even enrolled before the NCAA announced policy changes (like mentioned in another comment, blame the NCAA for any unfair advantages to specific schools based on semester start dates).

I get that the rules said you need a waiver, but this is like the police who previously would waive for you to cross the street when the light was red announcing they are going to start giving tickets for jaywalking and then looking at video footage to hand out tickets to people that crossed the street when the light was red 3 months ago.
 
way to shoot yourself in the foot.. making a new rule retroactive is always a great way to lose any credibility. Apply it to next year and it will slow this sht down
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I understand the "technicalities" of this argument, but it's still BULL****. Everyone knew that the NCAA was going to crack down on waivers, and nobody should be able to argue "but I enrolled two days early". It's garbage. The first day of UM classes are LATER than the first day of classes at state schools (Miami is private), so would that mean that a kid who goes to a state school (with a slightly longer semester) can have eligibility, while a kid who enrolls on January 13th does not?

Go by the SEMESTER. The rule was intended to apply for the SPRING SEMESTER, and everyone knew it was coming, so let's not get cute with "but but but I enrolled two days before the well-known rule change that was telegraphed well in advance".
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Is that your Miami fan side saying that? Cause I bet your lawyer side would be ****ed if you got denied by a rule that wasn't in place when you transferred. I mean part of life is getting in before the rule changes or buying something before the price goes up. When you say, everyone knew it was coming, does that mean the NCAA had stated the rule would be taking effect on date X or on date X they made the rule? It's hard for me to be on the ncaa's side in this.
 
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The UNC AD is now adding mental health issues as one of the reasons he should have received a waiver. So it went from coach left his old team (the only reason given by Tez in an interview right after he transferred) to he transferred before the rule change to grandmother is sick to mental health issues.
 
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