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UM (Michigan) in big trouble ?

USNAVYCANE said:
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There are photos all over social media showing Stalions talking with Michigan's OC and DC during games against Ohio State and Rutgers. Now we all know what those cryptic messages Greg Schiano was talking about at halftime of the Rutgers-Michigan game. Michigan is going down hard on this one
 
Tony4Canes said:
So, what is the exact rule on this? I see some on X saying if he didn't go to games and video tape signals himself, no violation.
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There is clear evidence of Stalions going to games of Michigan opponents and sitting between the 45-yard lines in prime location to film their future opponents' signals. It's all over the media showing Stalions talking with Michigan's OC when they have the ball and the DC when the opponent has the ball and the respective coordinators making calls into their headsets. There are multiple photos of Stalions stranding right next to Harbaugh as well.

In the early 1990s, this was outlawed by the NCAA. Apparently, Michigan and Harbaugh got so desperate to beat OSU that they developed this elaborate cheating scheme. Explains why Harbaugh lost his first 7 games agai9nst OSU and finally beat them the last 2 years...cheating!
 
IbzRlz said:
There is clear evidence of Stalions going to games of Michigan opponents and sitting between the 45-yard lines in prime location to film their future opponents' signals. It's all over the media showing Stalions talking with Michigan's OC when they have the ball and the DC when the opponent has the ball and the respective coordinators making calls into their headsets. There are multiple photos of Stalions stranding right next to Harbaugh as well.

In the early 1990s, this was outlawed by the NCAA. Apparently, Michigan and Harbaugh got so desperate to beat OSU that they developed this elaborate cheating scheme. Explains why Harbaugh lost his first 7 games agai9nst OSU and finally beat them the last 2 years...cheating!
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Well, if there is video of him at games, then nail them. I only read it was his family & friends at games.
 
Pretty sure teams had our signals last year too. I remember players saying the opposing teams knew what they were going to do.

I think it’s all fair play up until the videoing of the signaling…***** move but teams should be changing up signals bi weekly….we do that on the high school level.

So strange that its forbidden to scout in person. I would have never known that.
 
IbzRlz said:
There is clear evidence of Stalions going to games of Michigan opponents and sitting between the 45-yard lines in prime location to film their future opponents' signals. It's all over the media showing Stalions talking with Michigan's OC when they have the ball and the DC when the opponent has the ball and the respective coordinators making calls into their headsets. There are multiple photos of Stalions stranding right next to Harbaugh as well.

In the early 1990s, this was outlawed by the NCAA. Apparently, Michigan and Harbaugh got so desperate to beat OSU that they developed this elaborate cheating scheme. Explains why Harbaugh lost his first 7 games agai9nst OSU and finally beat them the last 2 years...cheating!
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Man, the Marine training must be something else. So Stallions was standing next to Jesse Minter during the Michigan games and was somehow at opponents games at the same time. Must be some special marine sauce at play.

Also Ohio State openly changed the signals for the Michigan game just like they did when they played Clemson years ago. In terms of competitive advantage the NCAA tried to eliminate the ban on in person scouting because they deemed it not to be a competitive advantage given all the available video of games out there.
 
sfcane2 said:
Man, the Marine training must be something else. So Stallions was standing next to Jesse Minter during the Michigan games and was somehow at opponents games at the same time. Must be some special marine sauce at play.

Also Ohio State openly changed the signals for the Michigan game just like they did when they played Clemson years ago. In terms of competitive advantage the NCAA tried to eliminate the ban on in person scouting because they deemed it not to be a competitive advantage given all the available video of games out there.
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No, he scouted some of the games ahead of time as well as other people scouting games he had purchased tickets for. I never said he was standing next to Minter at all the games, but it is clear he is standing next to the OC and DC during the Ohio State game and providing input to them. Corresponds with the fact Harbaugh couldn't beat OSU for 7 years in a row and then suddenly has figured out how to beat them by cheating
 
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So what violation do they get charged with? What's the penalty?

I'm betting little to nothing.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
So what violation do they get charged with? What's the penalty?

I'm betting little to nothing.
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Those are the questions I’m asking, too.

What is the actual infraction here? Apparently lots of teams do the same thing and it’s up to each team to change up its signals throughout the season to offset the potential damage.

So what’s the deal?
 
ddann said:
Those are the questions I’m asking, too.

What is the actual infraction here? Apparently lots of teams do the same thing and it’s up to each team to change up its signals throughout the season to offset the potential damage.

So what’s the deal?
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Thus far there are 2 violations. One for in-person scouting and another for recording. There rules we put in place in the 90’s because not every team could afford in-person scouting, and every team had access to video recordings of games which typically do not include recordings of team signals.

I tihnk the NC2A and Big Ten take this issue much more seriously than we understand. I would be shocked if Harbaugh is Michigan’s coach next season.
 
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JeddTheFisch said:
So what violation do they get charged with? What's the penalty?

I'm betting little to nothing.
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could result in lack of institutional control, especially because at this point it's clear Michigan has lied about it

that could result in vacated wins.

NCAA investigation can take years, big 10 could theoretically hold them out of the big 10 championship game this year
 
ddann said:
Those are the questions I’m asking, too.

What is the actual infraction here? Apparently lots of teams do the same thing and it’s up to each team to change up its signals throughout the season to offset the potential damage.

So what’s the deal?
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As AtlAtty pointed out, there are rules against sending staff members to opposing teams' games and then the other for recording. Think of this like the Astros situation in baseball... all of the teams try to steal each others signs, but they took it to another level.
 
407cane said:
could result in lack of institutional control, especially because at this point it's clear Michigan has lied about it

that could result in vacated wins.

NCAA investigation can take years, big 10 could theoretically hold them out of the big 10 championship game this year
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On top of their already ongoing investigation for recruiting during COVID and then getting caught lying about it (which actually ****es the NCAA off more).
 
ncaa was already going to allow mic's in helmets for some bowl games this year.

i think this is what will push it to the forefront and finally make the NCAA wise up and allow communication through helmets like in the NFL. That will completely fix this situation going forward
 
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