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I think youe reaching on the fumbles 2 of the guys who had fumbles had career days. So on one hand your saying the coaches are to blame for the fumbles but on the other hand your not giving credit for their career days. So the coach is responsible for the fumbles but not the career day???? If they didn't fumble the game would have been over in the 1st quarter
I’m not reaching , I’m just not blind. I know what goes on at our practices. I’ve been saying forever it was a joke. Now former players are echoing that. If there’s no fear of being benched you tend to play with no discipline or fundamentals.

If you want to be Mr homer everything is great that’s on you friend. Being Mr positive / delusional fan doesn’t make you a better fan.
 
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Fumbles aren’t his fault. Playing Flagg who was out of place a few times was then replacing him wifh a walk on smh

I’m also going to say Georgia tech has more talent then their record reflects
Agree, that guy Gibbs is a real pain in the ***. Felt like he was involved in every one of their better plays.
 
We have three years of watching guys make mistakes . Receiving stupid penalties , dropping passes , fumbling , going awol on the team and quitting but allowed back.

When you have zero accountability and culture in a program you see things like yesterday with fumbles. There’s a history of errors and no discipline.

We make the same mistakes because guys know they‘ll get their Pt. Playing time is the one card coaches have in their pocket and this twit finally started mentioning it in year three. When he was all but fired.

If some people removed their heads from Manny‘s **** for five minutes they’d see what’s staring them in the face.
I'm sorry, but I just have to disagree with you. What we saw yesterday was not a team that was playing undisciplined football. Where were all the penalties? Where were the drive sustaining targetings on our D, on 3rd and 20. Where were the 20 dropped passes and missed tackles? Yes, there were some bad angles. Yes, there were a couple dropped passes. Yes, we had three fumbles because guys were trying to get extra yards. Look at the total yards, then remember that 71 came on one play. One play that I agree should never have happened, but one play that skewed the stats. Meanwhile we were driving the field with ease, all game long. Yeah, we sucked on 3rd and short, but that was a the play calling, not a lack of discipline or lack of effort.

I don't think Manny is a good coach, and I wanted him fired a long time ago, but what I have seen the last few weeks is an improvement. Is it earth shattering and mind blowing? No. Well, maybe on O, yes. Is it a step in the right direction? **** yeah. For the first time in 20 years we have a real QB. Actually, for the first time in 30+ years. Let's let the season play out.

Like I said when King went down, let's see what happens with the O. Well, we are seeing growth that even the biggest homer and hater would be surprised by.

I'll say this now. If we win out, Manny still needs to get a DC. Fix the D to go along with the O and we could kill the Coastal. I am just not seeing the idiotic plays that plagued the program with the older players like Pope and Wiggins out there. I'm not seeing the brutal, mindless penalties. What I AM seeing is an O-lineman running 100 **** yards to try to make a 2 point saving tackle because he believed giving his maximum effort was the only thing to do. If you don't see the increased effort, and better discipline, I don't know what to tell you.
 
I’m not reaching , I’m just not blind. I know what goes on at our practices. I’ve been saying forever it was a joke. Now former players are echoing that. If there’s no fear of being benched you tend to play with no discipline or fundamentals.

If you want to be Mr homer everything is great that’s on you friend. Being Mr positive / delusional fan doesn’t make you a better fan.
You're skipping over everything I said. Address what I said directly to you. I said how do you blame the coach for the three fumbles which up until yesterdays game had not been an issue but you didn't address the career games two of the guys who fumbles had and not give credit to the coach for the career games but you go after the coach for the fumbles? Lmao so now I have to be a homer because you bring up the fumbles but not the career games???
All I'm saying is just be fair.
 
I'm sorry, but I just have to disagree with you. What we saw yesterday was not a team that was playing undisciplined football. Where were all the penalties? Where were the drive sustaining targetings on our D, on 3rd and 20. Where were the 20 dropped passes and missed tackles? Yes, there were some bad angles. Yes, there were a couple dropped passes. Yes, we had three fumbles because guys were trying to get extra yards. Look at the total yards, then remember that 71 came on one play. One play that I agree should never have happened, but one play that skewed the stats. Meanwhile we were driving the field with ease, all game long. Yeah, we sucked on 3rd and short, but that was a the play calling, not a lack of discipline or lack of effort.

I don't think Manny is a good coach, and I wanted him fired a long time ago, but what I have seen the last few weeks is an improvement. Is it earth shattering and mind blowing? No. Well, maybe on O, yes. Is it a step in the right direction? **** yeah. For the first time in 20 years we have a real QB. Actually, for the first time in 30+ years. Let's let the season play out.

Like I said when King went down, let's see what happens with the O. Well, we are seeing growth that even the biggest homer and hater would be surprised by.

I'll say this now. If we win out, Manny still needs to get a DC. Fix the D to go along with the O and we could kill the Coastal. I am just not seeing the idiotic plays that plagued the program with the older players like Pope and Wiggins out there. I'm not seeing the brutal, mindless penalties. What I AM seeing is an O-lineman running 100 **** yards to try to make a 2 point saving tackle because he believed giving his maximum effort was the only thing to do. If you don't see the increased effort, and better discipline, I don't know what to tell you.
But Mario is 60-58, Butch is the best recruiter ever, and Jake has a Netflix show. We must fire Manny.
 
I'm sorry, but I just have to disagree with you. What we saw yesterday was not a team that was playing undisciplined football. Where were all the penalties? Where were the drive sustaining targetings on our D, on 3rd and 20. Where were the 20 dropped passes and missed tackles? Yes, there were some bad angles. Yes, there were a couple dropped passes. Yes, we had three fumbles because guys were trying to get extra yards. Look at the total yards, then remember that 71 came on one play. One play that I agree should never have happened, but one play that skewed the stats. Meanwhile we were driving the field with ease, all game long. Yeah, we sucked on 3rd and short, but that was a the play calling, not a lack of discipline or lack of effort.

I don't think Manny is a good coach, and I wanted him fired a long time ago, but what I have seen the last few weeks is an improvement. Is it earth shattering and mind blowing? No. Well, maybe on O, yes. Is it a step in the right direction? **** yeah. For the first time in 20 years we have a real QB. Actually, for the first time in 30+ years. Let's let the season play out.

Like I said when King went down, let's see what happens with the O. Well, we are seeing growth that even the biggest homer and hater would be surprised by.

I'll say this now. If we win out, Manny still needs to get a DC. Fix the D to go along with the O and we could kill the Coastal. I am just not seeing the idiotic plays that plagued the program with the older players like Pope and Wiggins out there. I'm not seeing the brutal, mindless penalties. What I AM seeing is an O-lineman running 100 **** yards to try to make a 2 point saving tackle because he believed giving his maximum effort was the only thing to do. If you don't see the increased effort, and better discipline, I don't know what to tell you.
Feel free to disagree. Keep blaming the players even though we have three years of watching all these mistakes.

We have county club like practices then people wonder why all of these issues continue popping up. I guarantee you this if it was our guys running plays down from behind stripping people manny would be getting the credit. You know that’s true.
 
He’s 100% right. At the stadium it seemed like we were well on our way to a rout. 14 - 0 in the first quarter and momentum on our side.

Then we squandered that and let them right back in.

Three fumbles in the first quarter. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a Miami team do that.

People want to blame the players, and yes it’s their fault for not securing the ball, but I think it’s more about having a team prepared and focused. Focused and alert players usually don’t fumble. Being prepared, being focused and alert, that’s up to the coaches to inculcate that during the week and overall as part of their culture.
Agree, let’s hope that now that we have this rolling, Manny and coaches don’t *** it up with their lackadaisical attitude. Now that their jobs are pretty much secured for another season(***) they can fall back to old habits of letting **** slide. TVD has more sense than Manny. It’s his team, he needs to drop the hammer. The season ain’t over, we still can accomplish some things. Unfortunately saving Manualito’s job goes along with that. Stop ***ing around, focus and finish it. They can dance on the GD sideline AFTER we win a Bowl game, FFS.
 
The 2 long TDs are unacceptable but in 2021, if you give up 21 points and hold a team to 4.75 YPP, that’s an excellent defensive effort. I know I’ll get clowned for it on here cause it’s just a feeding frenzy for Manny’s blood, but TVD is 10000% correct and the game being close had nothing to do with coaching. We outgained them by 240 yards, had 9 more first-downs, less penalties, were sacked less…..but turnovers (which have been proven to be a lot more random than people realize) are the great equalizer. They scored almost a third of their points with our defense on the sideline.
The post game win expectancy for UM has to be near or above 90%. Their YPP was 4.76, ours was 7. The defense again held a high output offense from scoring on their critical final possession, for the 3rd week in a row.

We held them to their second lowest yardage total of the season (Clemson being first). The 23 points and 329 yards should’ve resulted in a high 30s-low 40s score.

Instead we had 3 TOs and 2 4th down failures and a missed FG, all of which made the outcome a heck of a lot closer than the game truly was. This was a 10-14 point victory if both teams simply perform as the stats indicated.

That is not to say we didn’t almost lose the game, or that any of the mistakes were excusable, or to not spread blame around. This still ended up feeling like a typical Manny game, where we can’t get out of our own way and dominate an inferior opponent, 100% his legacy. It’s just that in this case we actually did end up statistically dominating them, which was nice.
 
You're skipping over everything I said. Address what I said directly to you. I said how do you blame the coach for the three fumbles which up until yesterdays game had not been an issue but you didn't address the career games two of the guys who fumbles had and not give credit to the coach for the career games but you go after the coach for the fumbles? Lmao so now I have to be a homer because you bring up the fumbles but not the career games???
All I'm saying is just be fair.
I actually stated why multiple times. If you can’t decipher that it tells me you’ve never played one down of football. But I’ll give you a hint “ it involves guys never being benched In three years, no matter how many mistakes they make”. COACHING!!

Now I’ll let you get back to celebrating 5-4
 
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I actually stated why multiple times. If you can’t decipher that it tells me you’ve never played one down of football. But I’ll give you a hint “ it involves guys never being benched In three years, no matter how many mistakes they make”. COACHING!!

Now I’ll let you get back to celebrating 5-4
Lmao I knew you wouldn't address what I commented about.
 
Exactly.

They've known from day one of football not to fumble the ball. They are told that and have seen it every day since day one.

Fumbling the ball happens. Sometimes it's on the players and sometimes it's a good hit or strip.

They'll get blasted for it whatever the cause. Someone posting on here that it's on the coaches, that's funny.
True that. This week hopefully the coaches will emphasize ball security. Ya think the rest of our schedule didn’t take notice of GT tactics. Yeah let’s also throw in tackling.
 
I actually stated why multiple times. If you can’t decipher that it tells me you’ve never played one down of football. But I’ll give you a hint “ it involves guys never being benched In three years, no matter how many mistakes they make”. COACHING!!

Now I’ll let you get back to celebrating 5-4

How many kids would you like benched? **** near all of em make mistakes. We all went nuts cause Mallory sucks. Enter Arroyo. Fumble on what? His 5th career touch? Yes repeated mistakes by repeat offenders needs to be addressed. But this board thinks every kid who makes a mistake should have his scholarship revoked, like we don’t have 20 kids our hurt.
 
How come nobody blaming the OC for the fumbles? Manny already looking bad on defense. Blaming manny for the fumbles on offense and not the oc or players is crazy
That’s not the OCs fault either..it’s a stupid argument all around. Fumbles are on the players. 4 needs to hold onto the ball better when he makes his moves. The one on 80 was a good defensive play and the one on Rambo was a Great defensive effort play
 
The post game win expectancy for UM has to be near or above 90%. Their YPP was 4.76, ours was 7. The defense again held a high output offense from scoring on their critical final possession, for the 3rd week in a row.

We held them to their second lowest yardage total of the season (Clemson being first). The 23 points and 329 yards should’ve resulted in a high 30s-low 40s score.

Instead we had 3 TOs and 2 4th down failures and a missed FG, all of which made the outcome a heck of a lot closer than the game truly was. This was a 10-14 point victory if both teams simply perform as the stats indicated.

That is not to say we didn’t almost lose the game, or that any of the mistakes were excusable, or to not spread blame around. This still ended up feeling like a typical Manny game, where we can’t get out of our own way and dominate an inferior opponent, 100% his legacy. It’s just that in this case we actually did end up statistically dominating them, which was nice.

Perfectly stated. It was a very good performance in almost every single aspect. Unfortunately one of the areas where we weren’t very good was putting the ball on the ground. Which is a major, major equalizer. But we played well enough on both sides to beat an ACC team handily. Enjoy it. It doesn’t happen often.
 
Lmao, so Manny had them " focused and alert " to score two touchdowns to open the game but weren't " focused and alert " when they fumbled??? Lmao what's next
To me, it's about sustained intensity. This team either comes out flat and tries to rally, as against UVa and NC, or it comes out hot and the fades, as against Ga Tech and Michigan State. What we do not see is 4 quarters of focused, disciplined play. I do put that on the coaches and the tone they set during the week.
 
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To me, it's about sustained intensity. This team either comes out flat and tries to rally, as against UVa and NC, or it comes out hot and the fades, as against Ga Tech and Michigan State. What we do not see is 4 quarters of focused, disciplined play. I do put that on the coaches and the tone they set during the week.
Outside of Georgia has there been a team this year that has played 4 solid quarters of football? We had three turnovers in the 1st quartet we lost momentum and still never folded. Years past we would have folded. This team this year never has no matter the score. I would love to see 4 quarters of focused, and discplined play but right now if I cant get 4 quarters of no mistakes then I have to take the W because at the end of the day its about wins and loses and I'm hoping we can get into the ACC Championship Game and a good bowl game. We need all the practices we can get and we need to show recruits we're just a few playmakers away on defense to being solid
 
How many kids would you like benched? **** near all of em make mistakes. We all went nuts cause Mallory sucks. Enter Arroyo. Fumble on what? His 5th career touch? Yes repeated mistakes by repeat offenders needs to be addressed. But this board thinks every kid who makes a mistake should have his scholarship revoked, like we don’t have 20 kids our hurt.
You guys are both right
 
How many kids would you like benched? **** near all of em make mistakes. We all went nuts cause Mallory sucks. Enter Arroyo. Fumble on what? His 5th career touch? Yes repeated mistakes by repeat offenders needs to be addressed. But this board thinks every kid who makes a mistake should have his scholarship revoked, like we don’t have 20 kids our hurt.
On the Arroyo call that did not look like a fumble on replay. Knee was clearly down prior to the ball getting stripped. Refs screwed us on that one.
 
Lmao so the fumbles are the head coaches fault now so with that said Manny gets credit for the touchdowns thrown? Come on man you're really reaching on this one. Fumbles are not a head coaches fault. The person who fumbled has to be held accountable. Yes we out talent GT but 3 turnovers in football in the 1st quarter is still three turnovers. They changed momentum and gave some hope to those cowards. Also keep in mind this is a what have you done lately world and we have beat two rankes teams before this and we were prepared.
It’s awareness. The lack of awareness is astounding. You name it and we play like we’ve never been there before in a lot of situations. It’s all because of Manny and his lack of experience and focus on little things. You catch a ball or you are in the open field, expect someone to come from behind and rip the ball. Quit being so quick to celebrate and making a show after a tackle to where it could be a penalty etc. Nesta could have easily got one yesterday and I see it every week too. It’s little things. These guys need to be in the I expect to make these plays and go about their business and get back to the huddle and do it again. No, we need to grand stand bc we are so swaggy at 5-4.
 
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