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TVD Media Interview (9/20)

JD4 said:
I know but you counted his stats from the central CT game where he had 3 TDs and 270 yards but don't want to count him as having played that game lol
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thats fine subtract or add it. 26 TDs 6 picks and say 2600 yards.

hes not perfect but hes better than what were seeing. till the coaches adjust their scheme to the talent well continue the Um tradition of under utilizing our players. we then continue the cycle of blaming players till there's no one left to blame. coaches get fired and rinse and repeat. y'all killed the LBs who are suddenly playing a lot better under better coaching. the OL was trashed till they got good OL coaches who showed overnight improvement. we somehow can't improve 4 star wide receivers (we see 2 star kids all over producing) or get a functional passing offense against bad teams (Southern Miss)
 
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He’s caught up in the contrast of having played before a crowd of 10 people against SO Miss and going to TAMU with 107k

Its quite the contrast and very alarming if you are a top athlete.

But he isn’t so he should shut the **** up and play football.

Try throwing a TD once…in a while.
 
I thought it was good interview. Hope they really do implement some of the stuff he and the WRs excelled at last year. Maybe some simplified stuff will help the inexperienced wrs too.
 
TVD is young, but he's the unquestioned leader of this team and the current face of the football program. He needs to do better. This isn't particularly complicated. 99% of the answers are regurgitated and formulaic.
 
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Page305 said:
That's y'all QB
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hoops156 said:
thats fine subtract or add it. 26 TDs 6 picks and say 2600 yards.

hes not perfect but hes better than what were seeing. till the coaches adjust their scheme to the talent well continue the Um tradition of under utilizing our players. we then continue the cycle of blaming players till there's no one left to blame. coaches get fired and rinse and repeat. y'all killed the LBs who are suddenly playing a lot better under better coaching. the OL was trashed till they got good OL coaches who showed overnight improvement. we somehow can't improve 4 star wide receivers (we see 2 star kids all over producing) or get a functional passing offense against bad teams (Southern Miss)
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Ok. Let me preface this by saying it took me a long a$$ time just to make sure these people were freshmen since the college football stats website might have listed a 4th year guy as a sophmore because he had a redshirt yr+covid year+ injury or something who knows. I had to check all of them individually and it took me too long lol. With that in mind, I don't have more time to spend on this so I'm just going to share what I have. That means I don't have time to investigate how many games each of these guys played and divide the numbers by their games played since some of them missed games due to injury or started playing a few games into the season like TVD did, or played a few drives behind the starter in blowouts before taking the reigns as the starter, etc.

Below is a list of guys in the last few years who were true freshmen or sophmores (sorted by passer rating) that played in at least 75% of their teams games and performed I think comparably to TVD. We know his numbers would've been higher if he'd played in the games against Bama, Michigan State, and App State, but like I said above I don't have time to go through and verify that all these people played x amount of games and divide everyones to compare completely fairly. Look at the number of attempts though, the completion percentage, the TDs/INTs, and passer rating and you'll be able to see that he was in good company, and you might disagree that some of the people deserve to be in the same company--that is fine. Some of them had better years and some of them didn't have as great a year. I don't want to get too into the weeds about it just wanted to provide evidence that although his year was really incredible it wasn't completely unprecedented. A lot of these guys were or will be first round picks so he is obviously in elite company.

NameCompletionsAttemptsCompletion %YardsAverageTDINTRatingRushing NotesYear
Tua24535569 nice3,96611.2436199.5Sophmore
CJ Stroud31744171.94,43510.1446186.6Rs Fr
Jameis Winston25738466.94,05710.64010184.8RS Freshman
Grayson McCall17225068.82,48810263184.3560 yrds+7TdsRs Fr
Jake Fields23835467.23,2739.2413181.4True Sophmore (freshman yr backed up Fromm)
Sam Howell23734868.13,58610.3307179.1True So
Baker Mayfield26939568.13,7009.4367173.3RS Sophmore
Spencer Rattler21431767.53,0319.6287172.6RS Fr
JT Barrett20331464.72,83493410169.8940yrds+11TDsfreshman
Caleb Williams13621164.51,9129.1214169.6Fr
Kedon Slovis28239271.93,5028.9309167.6Fr
Bryce Young36654766.94,8728.9477167.5True Sophmore
Jake Browning24339162.13,4308.8439167.5true sophmore
Marcus Mariota23033668.52,6778326163.2750yrds+5tdsRS Freshman
Colt McCoy21731868.22,5708.1297161.8Rs Fr
Sam Darnold24636667.23,0868.4319161.1RS Freshman played 10 games
Sam Howell25942261.43,6418.6387160.2True Fr
Jake Fromm18129162.22,6159247160.1True Freshman
TVD20232462.32,9319.0256160.1Rs Fr played 9 games (including the game he split with Garcia)
Trevor Lawrence25939765.23,2808.3304157.6True Freshman
Kellen Moore28140569.43,4868.62510157.1RS Freshman
Dillon Gabriel23639859.33,6539.2297156.9Freshman
Deshaun Watson33349167.84,1048.43513156.31.1kyrds+12TDsSophmore
Dillon Gabriel248413603,5708.6324156.3Sophmore
Brock Purdy31247565.73,9828.4279151.1True So
Jayden Daniels20533860.72,9438.7172149.2Fr
Seth Henigan23539359.83,3228.5258147.7True Fr
Jared Goff31650962.13,9737.8357147.6Sophmore
Patrick Mahomie36457363.54,6538.13615147.2450+10TDsSophmore
Will Rogers50568373.94,7396.9369147True So
Jalen Hurts24038262.82,7807.3239139.1950+13TDsTrue Fr

This is not an exhaustive list of all of the players who had comparable single season performances to TVD, just the ones who did it in their first or second season since he did it in his second season on campus.

I also gave leeway to dual threat guys like Jalen Hurts who were not as strong passing when compared to TVD, but I think were still comparable as a threat at QB since he added another 13TDs and 950 yards rushing with his legs.

I am not trying to say that TVD isn't in elite company or that he isn't a really talented QB, I just don't like when people say he is Joe Burrow.

Last year for as great as he did he was still very inconsistent at times. I know this year he lost his favorite and best targets from last season and he has a new coaching staff and scheme and he's been struggling.

I think once he gets more familiar with the playbook he will get more comfortable and I think the coaches will work in some of the stuff he's more comfortable with too which will help.
 
JD4 said:
Ok. Let me preface this by saying it took me a long a$$ time just to make sure these people were freshmen since the college football stats website might have listed a 4th year guy as a sophmore because he had a redshirt yr+covid year+ injury or something who knows. I had to check all of them individually and it took me too long lol. With that in mind, I don't have more time to spend on this so I'm just going to share what I have. That means I don't have time to investigate how many games each of these guys played and divide the numbers by their games played since some of them missed games due to injury or started playing a few games into the season like TVD did, or played a few drives behind the starter in blowouts before taking the reigns as the starter, etc.

Below is a list of guys in the last few years who were true freshmen or sophmores (sorted by passer rating) that played in at least 75% of their teams games and performed I think comparably to TVD. We know his numbers would've been higher if he'd played in the games against Bama, Michigan State, and App State, but like I said above I don't have time to go through and verify that all these people played x amount of games and divide everyones to compare completely fairly. Look at the number of attempts though, the completion percentage, the TDs/INTs, and passer rating and you'll be able to see that he was in good company, and you might disagree that some of the people deserve to be in the same company--that is fine. Some of them had better years and some of them didn't have as great a year. I don't want to get too into the weeds about it just wanted to provide evidence that although his year was really incredible it wasn't completely unprecedented. A lot of these guys were or will be first round picks so he is obviously in elite company.

NameCompletionsAttemptsCompletion %YardsAverageTDINTRatingRushing NotesYear
Tua245355693,96611.2436199.5Sophmore
CJ Stroud - heisman candidate - potential first rounder31744171.94,43510.1446186.6Rs Fr
Jameis Winston - heisman 1st overall pick25738466.94,05710.64010184.8RS Freshman
Grayson McCall17225068.82,48810263184.3560 yrds+7TdsRs Fr
Jake Fields23835467.23,2739.2413181.4True Sophmore (freshman yr backed up Fromm)
Sam Howell23734868.13,58610.3307179.1True So
Baker Mayfield - heisman26939568.13,7009.4367173.3RS Sophmore
Spencer Rattler21431767.53,0319.6287172.6RS Fr
JT Barrett20331464.72,83493410169.8940yrds+11TDsfreshman
Caleb Williams - heisman candidate13621164.51,9129.1214169.6Fr
Kedon Slovis -28239271.93,5028.9309167.6Fr
Bryce Young - heisman36654766.94,8728.9477167.5True Sophmore
Jake Browning24339162.13,4308.8439167.5true sophmore
Marcus Mariota - second overall pick? or third something like that23033668.52,6778326163.2RS Freshman
Colt McCoy - elite college QB21731868.22,5708.1297161.8Rs Fr
Sam Darnold - top 5 NFL pick24636667.23,0868.4319161.1RS Freshman played 10 games
Sam Howell25942261.43,6418.6387160.2True Fr
Jake Fromm -18129162.22,6159247160.1True Freshman
TVD20232462.32,9319.0256160.1Rs Fr played 9 games (including the game he split with Garcia)
Trevor Lawrence - yeah25939765.23,2808.3304157.6True Freshman
Kellen Moore28140569.43,4868.62510157.1RS Freshman
Dillon Gabriel - see below23639859.33,6539.2297156.9Freshman
Deshaun Watson - first rounder and top 10 NFL QB33349167.84,1048.43513156.31.1kyrds+12TDsSophmore
Dillon Gabriel - killing it at OU good college QB248413603,5708.6324156.3Sophmore
Brock Purdy31247565.73,9828.4279151.1True So
Jayden Daniels20533860.72,9438.7172149.2Fr
Seth Henigan23539359.83,3228.5258147.7True Fr
Jared Goff - first overall pick31650962.13,9737.8357147.6Sophmore
Patrick Mahomie - yeh36457363.54,6538.13615147.2450+10TDsSophmore
Will Rogers50568373.94,7396.9369147True So
Jalen Hurts - heisman finalist starting QB NFL24038262.82,7807.3239139.1950+13TDsTrue Fr

This is not an exhaustive list of all of the players who had comparable single season performances to TVD, just the ones who did it in their first or second season since he did it in his second season on campus.

I also gave leeway to dual threat guys like Jalen Hurts who were not as strong passing when compared to TVD, but I think were still comparable as a threat at QB since he added another 13TDs and 950 yards rushing with his legs.

I am not trying to say that TVD isn't in elite company or that he isn't a really talented QB, I just don't like when people say he is Joe Burrow.

Last year for as great as he did he was still very inconsistent at times. I know this year he lost his favorite and best targets from last season and he has a new coaching staff and scheme and he's been struggling.

I think once he gets more familiar with the playbook he will get more comfortable and I think the coaches will work in some of the stuff he's more comfortable with too which will help.
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I mean **** if hes in that company based on what you compiled? thats pretty good. see my notes. thats what they became or are currently. also, important to note that TVD did that w 2 undrafteed WRs who were basically written off (Harley was inconsistent and Rambo was benched for inconsistency). I see a kid that within a scheme that favors his strengths could become the best QB we've had here since Dorsey. instead, hes looked awful (SM he was awful beyond just scheme) and uncomfortable in this scheme
 
hoops156 said:
I mean **** if hes in that company based on what you compiled? thats pretty good. see my notes. thats what they became or are currently
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Agreed he's in great company. I'm not trying to say he isn't. I just don't like the Joe Burrow comp because I feel like it sets him up for failure. Joe Burrow literally broke college football at LSU lol
 
JD4 said:
Agreed he's in great company. I'm not trying to say he isn't. I just don't like the Joe Burrow comp because I feel like it sets him up for failure. Joe Burrow literally broke college football at LSU lol
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I didnt mean that he was Joe burrow. again, no one will ever put up Joes season again. also, speaking of burrow. I remember watching his first start in Dallas and he was game manager esque and trash. they hire Brady the following year and overhaul the pass offense and he becomes the best QB on earth. maybe we need a new pass coordinator or maybe more influence from ponce if he doesn't have enough say in the scheme
 
hoops156 said:
I didnt mean that he was Joe burrow. again, no one will ever put up Joes season again. also, speaking of burrow. I remember watching his first start in Dallas and he was game manager esque and trash. they hire Brady the following year and overhaul the pass offense and he becomes the best QB on earth. maybe we need a new pass coordinator or maybe more influence from ponce if he doesn't have enough say in the scheme
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Lashlee did a good job playing to TVD's strengths last year and I think Rambo earned TVD's trust that he could throw the ball up and he'd make a play with it against the guys we faced. I think he trusts X to get open and catch the ball, but its probably tough for him to trust his guys when they're not catching balls and he isn't 100% sure where they're going to be on their routes.

Some of that is normal for a QB and WRs learning new plays and schemes and as they get more reps it'll improve.

Our plays now take longer to develop too, when you're a QB and a 275+ dude is running to sack your a$$ unless you really know the plays and can anticipate where the d will be the longer it takes to develop the more you start sweating about it.

Some of it will get better as his comfort rises with knowing the playbook, knowing the receivers, and knowing the defense, and some of it will get better when the coaches call more stuff he is already comfortable with
 
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JD4 said:
Lashlee did a good job playing to TVD's strengths last year and I think Rambo earned TVD's trust that he could throw the ball up and he'd make a play with it against the guys we faced. I think he trusts X to get open and catch the ball, but its probably tough for him to trust his guys when they're not catching balls and he isn't 100% sure where they're going to be on their routes.

Some of that is normal for a QB and WRs learning new plays and schemes and as they get more reps it'll improve.

Our plays now take longer to develop too, when you're a QB and a 275+ dude is running to sack your a$$ unless you really know the plays and can anticipate where the d will be the longer it takes to develop the more you start sweating about it.

Some of it will get better as his comfort rises with knowing the playbook, knowing the receivers, and knowing the defense, and some of it will get better when the coaches call more stuff he is already comfortable with
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agreed. it didnt need to be this way. its my biggest problem w southern miss. idc if we were dominating the game on the ground. we didnt need to prove that we could run on southern miss. we need those reps in live action. this week id tell all the backs to take the day off. 100 pass plays lol (im kidding but you know what I mean). on top of that, in our small sample we've seen that the coaches lied their asses off when they said they'll adjust the scheme to the players. they've seen the offense through spring and fall and dint change anything. lets see now that in real action against. bad teams and okay teams it struggled and adjustments have to be made
 
hoops156 said:
agreed. it didnt need to be this way. its my biggest problem w southern miss. idc if we were dominating the game on the ground. we didnt need to prove that we could run on southern miss. we need those reps in live action. this week id tell all the backs to take the day off. 100 pass plays lol (im kidding but you know what I mean).
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Yeah I hear you. I think Lashlee's offense wasn't ever going to be enough for us to beat top teams because we went 3&out as often as we made great plays which puts too much pressure on the defense.

I think even in the offense that Lashlee designed to play to TVD's strengths he was still really inconsistent last year for long periods of time where he'd do incredible things and then completely miss on passes or vice versa. In a scheme where we're running the ball more frequently, I worry that when he has those moments of missing passes, we'll find ourselves with a 2nd or 3rd and long situation which this offense is kind of designed to avoid.

Maybe we can try taking the deep shots or more of the passes he's comfortable with in second and short situations idk
 
JD4 said:
Yeah I hear you. I think Lashlee's offense wasn't ever going to be enough for us to beat top teams because we went 3&out as often as we made great plays which puts too much pressure on the defense.

I think even in the offense that Lashlee designed to play to TVD's strengths he was still really inconsistent last year for long periods of time where he'd do incredible things and then completely miss on passes or vice versa. In a scheme where we're running the ball more frequently, I worry that when he has those moments of missing passes, we'll find ourselves with a 2nd or 3rd and long situation which this offense is kind of designed to avoid.

Maybe we can try taking the deep shots or more of the passes he's comfortable with in second and short situations idk
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he had his faults as an OC. he wasn't perfect. he forced RPOs on a QB who doenst run RPOs and results were poor.

the passing concepts were better and easier for the roster to digest and run and thats what matters. it doesn't matter how professional your system is if your guys can't execute it.
 
hoops156 said:
he had his faults as an OC. he wasn't perfect. he forced RPOs on a QB who doenst run RPOs and results were poor.

the passing concepts were better and easier for the roster to digest and run and thats what matters. it doesn't matter how professional your system is if your guys can't execute it.
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Yeah. We'll see what happens. I was really disappointed we lost a game we all know we could've won, but we were the underdogs according to the spread and we knew we'd lose games this year so I just need to give the players and the coaches time and relax a bit. Let the season play out more
 
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