Official TVD comments on Hard Rock

[Mikep]

Never understood this argument. Such a poor excuse because
1. Those other things likely are also things that revolve around being in the weather (which people will use as an excuse)
And 2. This just supports the argument of having a front running fan base. If you seriously can’t be bothered to skip doing one of those “multitude of other things” for 7 days out of your year then you flat out just aren’t a true fan. It’s okay to like other things more, but don’t turn around and says it’s not because the team isn’t a priority. It’s 7 games. 7 Saturday’s out of the year to go out and support the team busting their *** to rep your city and your fandom so you can hop on social media and brag to the world about your “favorite” team. Good or bad you should be showing up because they need that support. Being a fan means being a part of something bigger than yourself. It’s a community. Other college fan bases understand this. I guarantee you could move a beach, nightclubs, restaurants, amphitheaters, and whatever else into college station tomorrow and guess what? They’re still packing that stadium to the gills.

Exactly.

 

[Rellyrell]

yes I know. and yes I know we got rid of the corners in the stadium and reduced capacity. 64 is about perfect for us and the fins. we aren't a sports town. we will never fill anything weekly.

I disagree; I think 60 is the right fit. Anything over 60 is just foolish w/ this small of student & alumni base.

 

[hoops156]

I disagree; I think 60 is the right fit. Anything over 60 is just foolish w/ this small of student & alumni base.

miami has never made their attendance off students or alums. it never happened. its off the city and try county area. we dont depend on the students or alums either to fill it. its all about what gets the area out to the games. for big games, you will get 65 ro close to it. for weak games, its gonna be 30-40 real butts. for in between, 50 id say real butts

 

[Torocane]

he was at Bama for one season but they were getting elite at that position before and after him and he had no hand in coaching their most recent run of elite WRs including the most recent transfer from OSU.

he didnt really produce much NFL talent at Michigan but I gotta go back and check.

Likens produced two NFL (I think first or seoucnd rounders at WR) from ASU.

And for the record I don't have anything bad to say about Likens. I think he generally did a good job. For Rambo specifically I think he...Rambo himself was the catalist for turning around his career here not some different coaching than what he received at OU.

 

[hoops156]

And for the record I don't have anything bad to say about Likens. I think he generally did a good job. For Rambo specifically I think he...Rambo himself was the catalist for turning around his career here not some different coaching than what he received at OU.

fair. well see. we dont have to be right or wrong now. we can be that later on. still plenty of time to go.

 

[hoops156]

Ummm, u did see me say SLS/HRS, right? Lol

It was SLS in 2015 & HRS in 2016, but the seating capacity changed in 2015 to what it is now.

Edit: did u actually read my post or was this a knee jerk reaction? Also, per attendance record, 2017 v. VT had a capacity of 63,932 or 98% capacity

by tech I meant g tech not v tech.

I know v tech wasn't sold out. I was there at every game that year

 

[Torocane]

fair. well see. we dont have to be right or wrong now. we can be that later on. still plenty of time to go.

Absolutely!
We all hope for the same thing.
Always good to have a good talk back and forth with a fellow fan.

 

[hoops156]

Absolutely!
We all hope for the same thing.
Always good to have a good talk back and forth with a fellow fan.

im upset w what we see. thats all. I think we underperformed and blames goes to all parties (QB, WR, coaches) and this isnt even knee jerk w atm. I said this after southern miss.

 

[MDOcane]

Ummm, u did see me say SLS/HRS, right? Lol

It was SLS in 2015 & HRS in 2016, but the seating capacity changed in 2015 to what it is now.

Edit: did u actually read my post or was this a knee jerk reaction? Also, per attendance record, 2017 v. VT had a capacity of 63,932 or 98% capacity

being at hard rock in the upper bowl with no cover for noon games was a miserable experience...the renovations made the fan experience 100x better.
now it's up to the football team to make the experience WATCHING the game enjoyable. i bet sept 9 2023 will be a sellout

 

[Rellyrell]

miami has never made their attendance off students or alums. it never happened. its off the city and try county area. we dont depend on the students or alums either to fill it. its all about what gets the area out to the games. for big games, you will get 65 ro close to it. for weak games, its gonna be 30-40 real butts. for in between, 50 id say real butts

Again, 60K stadium w/ an ability to add 8K more seats. So whether it’s based upon student, alumni, or fair weather fans, it don’t matter bro. The data shows as of today, there’s zero reason for us to play in a 65K stadium. Since 2015, the biggest home crowd we’ve had at SLS/HRS was 65,685 against #23 FSU. So for all the praise the ND game gets, it wasn’t even our biggest crowd, & yes this was when the semi enclosure was finalized.

60K stadium w/ an ability to expand by 8K

 

[hoops156]

Again, 60K stadium w/ an ability to add 8K more seats. So whether it’s based upon student, alumni, or fair weather fans, it don’t matter bro. The data shows as of today, there’s zero reason for us to play in a 65K stadium. Since 2015, the biggest home crowd we’ve had at SLS/HRS was 65,685 against #23 FSU. So for all the praise the ND game gets, it wasn’t even our biggest crowd, & yes this was when the semi enclosure was finalized.

60K stadium w/ an ability to expand by 8K

I hate the expansion **** unless youre doing a open bowl like the oB had in the end zone.

it just leads to farther distance depending on where youre expanding the seating.

 

[Rellyrell]

the renovations made the fan experience 100x better. being at hard rock in the upper bowl with no cover for noon games was a miserable experience
now it's up to the football team to make the experience WATCHING the game enjoyable. i bet sept 9 2023 will be a sellout

No offense, but u’re actually proving a lot of points I’ve made as to y HRS is not a conducive stadium for the college experience vs. NFL experience.

 

[Rellyrell]

I hate the expansion **** unless youre doing a open bowl like the oB had in the end zone.

it just leads to farther distance depending on where youre expanding the seating.

In modern day & age, it works.

 

[Torocane]

im upset w what we see. thats all. I think we underperformed and blames goes to all parties (QB, WR, coaches) and this isnt even knee jerk w atm. I said this after southern miss.

I don't disagree.
I am holding out hope that the improvement we see in OL will continue to develop. We continue to build on that and that we eventually develop into a more dynamic passing team built on a physical dominating OL.....how we get there I don't know.
As much as I think Mario is an amazing recruiter I don't think we will be able to be Georgia's roster so we have to be more dynamic.
I don't know if Grattis can evelove to that or if Mario will evolve his view and hire a guy that can do that. Hopefully he can because what they have done with the OL is nothing short of a miracle to me.

 

[The canesman]

I guess when some of these athletes are treated as professionals via NIL. This is what you get.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Clemson isn’t fair to use because our line was super young and terrible. That’s wasn‘t route concepts that was getting destroyed on both lines.They lined up and blitzed the A gaps. Now to be fair I ripped the **** out of him for that game like I have Gattis but the OL situations are night and day different. JG’s OL gave his qb’s time to pass , made pretty good pockets and we ran the ball. The biggest reason for that is Mario and Mirabal working miracles. That’s why they’re widely considered the best at teaching that group. Btw A&M was nowhere in that Clemsons defenses world. That’s was an awesome veteran group. Durken is no Venerables either.

Did not matter against Clemson. I was in the upper deck and mostly focused on secondary. At no point was anybody open. They played a ton of man and yes sold out their inside linebackers up the A. Quite frankly King should have rushed for 150 yards. He did rip off a 50 yarder.

 

[Cribby]

Did not matter against Clemson. I was in the upper deck and mostly focused on secondary. At no point was anybody open. They played a ton of man and yes sold out their inside linebackers up the A. Quite frankly King should have rushed for 150 yards. He did rip off a 50 yarder.

Nobody is open when you’re getting two seconds to pass, if that. We didn’t have many pockets at all on top of having a 5’8 qb. When your Ol is that overwhelmed concepts are out the window. I rewatched that game multiple times to figure out wth happened , that’s why I lightened up on Rhett

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Nobody is open when you’re getting two seconds to pass, if that. We didn’t have many pockets at all on top of having a 5’8 qb. When your Ol is that overwhelmed concepts are out the window.

Not like they were stopping their routes. We had nobody who could beat man. They blitzed without fear. We got behind them twice. Once down the right hash and King overthrew and the other time where Wiggins dropped a 50/50.

But that is ancillary to my points.

 

[Cribby]

Not like they were stopping their routes. We had nobody who could beat man. They blitzed without fear. We got behind them twice. Once down the right hash and King overthrew and the other time where Wiggins dropped a 50/50.

But that is ancillary to my points.

So a drop and a overthrow are two times in a full game we had pockets ? That game was just a total mismatch on both sides. We were severely overrated ( like always) and got blasted by a far better team , coach and players. The media built it up as some showcase game that got Clemsons attention. They knocked us out early because they were in another weight class.

AM is nowhere in that stratosphere.

 

[SayWhat]

Just for historical reference, using post-1983 as a guideline, here was the avg. attendance:

OB capacity 75,500 (1984-1990)
-Marquee Games (e.g: rivalries, top 25 opponents):
67,281 (89% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
43,108 (57% capacity)

OB capacity 74,712 (1991-1993)
-Marquee Games:
74,968 (100+% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
49,575 (66% capacity)

OB capacity 74,476 (1994-2002)
-Marquee Games:
68,536 (92% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
39,472 (53% capacity)

OB capacity 72,319 (2003-2007)
-Marquee Games:
59,773 (83% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
44,995 (62% capacity)

Compared To

Dolphin/LS/SLS capacity 74,916 (2008-2014)
-Marquee Games:
59,411 (79% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
46,446 (62% capacity)

SLS/HRS capacity 64,982 (2015-present)
-Marquee Games:
50,545* (78% capacity)
-Non Marquee Games:
53,000* (82% capacity)
*Did not include Covid year

Take from this what you will, but it appears SLS has been a better venue for non-marquee games than the OB, but the OB was by far a better home field for big games, & that was pretty consistent, even during the lean years (95-99 & 04-07)

But, it also appears a 55-60k stadiumw/ an ability to expand by 8k is the perfect fit for us vs. a 65k+ capacity. Even the famed 2017 game had a shade over 65K.

Something else to note: The reason HRS doesn’t feel like a home venue is not only the color scheme, but it’s the schematics. Remember; we were all juiced when the stadium was renovated & seats were removed, but this stadium’s design doesn’t fit the collegiate feel. It’s why it’s a perfect venue for The World Cup. When the Chargers played at Home Depot Field in Carson for its temporary home, sure it was a much smaller stadium than a traditional NFL field, but it was so far away that it didn’t give LAC any home field advantage due to schematics.

The OB when it rocked, it rocked b/c of how it was designed. It was an extremely intimidating place to play. Even the crowds were sparse, it still felt like a home game. When I see our crowd at SLS, 50k be damned, it don’t look, or sound like a home field. ND & VT in 2017? Yes, but that’s a 2 game anomaly vs. 14 yrs of data.

You're the man and I appreciate you giving that a go, but also wondering why you did.

At the Orange Bowl, they used to count butts in seats with stubs. I don't remember when they stopped that at the place Joe Robbie built, but the numbers reported are big time off since they use tickets sold instead.

I don't know why, but the tickets sold versus actual fans drives me nuts.