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transfer qb vs younger guy

Ironmanfootball said:
Losses 0 vs 2
TD's 35 vs 21
INT's 9 vs 5
QBR 88.7 vs 78.5
Resume SP+ Indiana is 1, Miami 11
OFF SP+ Indiana 2nd, Miami 17th
ESPN SOS Indiana 38, Miami 43
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and your point is?

You conveniently left out they have essentially the same completions, completion %, and yards.

Mendoza is better but he's not all that much better. He threw 9 of those TDs against FBS opponents and the SOS thing is laughable.

Indiana has played four teams with a pulse and one of those fired their coach.
 
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Mendoza has been better then Beck there's no question. Almost no one saw that coming myself included, who said Beck would end up having the better season. But let's be honest, after the Pop Tarts bowl the discussion about bringing in Mendoza was eliciting mostly puke emojis from this bunch. Hindsight is 20/20. We could have had Mendoza, and for a lot cheaper, but I think it's fair to say most coaches, fans, and players would have taken the safe bet in Beck.

As for the actual topic of this thread, there's really no feasible argument. You pay for a proven talent or you pay a little less for a high school kid who statistically is more likely to flame out, transfer, or underwhelm than to earn the money and ranking. That's just how it is. I don't love it but that's how the game is played right now if you want to win.

FTR I like Nickel and Coleman and think one of them will stick around and develop.
 
Respectfully, Nickel isn't the guy. Neither is Judd or Emory. I highly doubt Dereon Coleman is him. Hope I'm wrong, i just think the approach is to take cheaper QBs through recruiting and pay proven guys in the offseason to come in and take over. I like this approach and don't want us to take losses to give one of these young guys a tryout.
 
Canedude08 said:
You hate that players have the same exact rights as coaches do, and are finally being compensated for their talent? Don't hate the players, hate the administrators and coaches that refused to address this issue DECADES ago. We could have had a CFB product where players were compensated, with legit guidelines to prevent this kind of player movement, but greed stepped in. Guess what, this is what you get when you ignore the needs of LABOR, all in the hopes of further enriching the management class.
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Awesome take bro
 
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Ironmanfootball said:
I have given you all of the data I possibly can. I try my best to never argue with emotion but debate with facts.
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I think the stats you bring are interesting.

How about this - and it's completely hypothetical and non-proveable - how does each QB's numbers look if you switched them in July? In other words, does Mendoza have the same numbers if he went to Miami that he has had at IU? Or do his numbers regress closer to where Beck's are, given the difference in schemes run by the two schools? Is Beck the Heisman frontrunner if he was passing in the IU offense? No way to prove it either way, just curious.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I think the stats you bring are interesting.

How about this - and it's completely hypothetical and non-proveable - how does each QB's numbers look if you switched them in July? In other words, does Mendoza have the same numbers if he went to Miami that he has had at IU? Or do his numbers regress closer to where Beck's are, given the difference in schemes run by the two schools? Is Beck the Heisman frontrunner if he was passing in the IU offense? No way to prove it either way, just curious.
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More curious who is the better QB developer: Dawson or Cig?
 
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Dr. Citizen Cane said:
Respectfully, Nickel isn't the guy. Neither is Judd or Emory. I highly doubt Dereon Coleman is him. Hope I'm wrong, i just think the approach is to take cheaper QBs through recruiting and pay proven guys in the offseason to come in and take over. I like this approach and don't want us to take losses to give one of these young guys a tryout.
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Why are other programs able to bring in high school recruit QBs and win with them?
 
ddann said:
Why are other programs able to bring in high school recruit QBs and win with them?
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Like who?

DMoney posts 5x a week that basically out of the top 10 QB recruits for the last 5 years that 40+ of the 50 hit the portal or suck.
 
Let those young dudes develops at those minor leauge schools and we will pick them up when they ready for big boy football!
 
ssvir said:
Like who?
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Like the dudes who are currently successful starters for the program they signed with out of high school. I know the portal has changed everything, but those guys are still out there. Not everyone has to do a one-year rental on a QB every season to win 9 or 10 games.
 
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