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TruCane81 said:
It wasn’t just the max protect though.

There was a lot of problems with route designs and play calls vs the defensive call.

It was really bad for King at times. Plays running receivers into coverage like the defense already knew the play. It got better as the year went on and Rooster became effective in the passing game.

Lashlee did a lot of good too but his shortcomings made the offense streaky. Combined poor execution from Manny’s poor preparation, we left a lot of yards and points on the field.
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Couldn’t agree more.

Blocking Schemes
Route Tree (avg at best 90% of time)
Run Scheme (Cringe & Easy to Stop)
Erratic use of Tempo

We crowned Rhett mostly due the fact that we’ve been fighting with our hands tied behind our back’s for the better part of 20 fackin years.

I for one am glad he’s exactly where he belongs. Not at Miami.

Everyone has their pov, but we were easy to gameplan against until around NC St when TVD turned into SuperMan to salvage another abomination of a campaign for our Miami ( motherfückin ) Hurricanes.
 
bshaw28 said:
Over the last 6 games TVD averaged 66% - 366 yds - 3TD's - 0.5 INT per game

I mean....the play call won't always be perfect, but that seems pretty **** good. Seems like it's really nitpicking to call last year a poor passing scheme.

What are people expecting this year? 70% - 400 yds - 4TD's - 0 INT per game?
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Not in this offense.
 
TruCane81 said:
We got better as the year went on.

@Cribby has said Likens input had a lot to do with the improvements.
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IMO when a new staff comes in, we as fans expect EVERYTHING to improve. But let's give credit to how good our passing offense was last year.

1) Our OL pass blocking was really good & we weren't in max protect - PFF ranked Miami the #6 Pass Blocking OL in the country. RB's & TE's ran routes on 70-75% of passing plays.

Look at TVD's highlights - there's checkdown options on a majority of plays. The OL just gave TVD a lot of time. Let's give them credit.

2) TVD was a better passer than King & that opened up the offense - We had a great passer & the OL was giving us time - so isn't an offense that takes shots down the field & doesn't rely on checkdowns exactly what we'd want?

I get that TVD in terms of his draft potential can still make improvements - decision making, footwork, throwing motion, hitting different routes, etc.

But the Offense (credit whoever you want) did a great job of scheming WR's, TE's and RB's open last year. Let's give the scheme credit. It'll be hard to top.
 
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I think some of the problems with offensive play calling were an attempt to compensate for the issues with the offensive line. If you can't pull your guards you can't run counter and power effectively. It's harder to create space in the run game. That makes your run game and play action game vanilla. King was short, so I think Lashlee called routes over the middle less with him than Van Dyke. I don't have proof of any of this though.
 
bshaw28 said:
IMO when a new staff comes in, we as fans expect EVERYTHING to improve. But let's give credit to how good our passing offense was last year.

1) Our OL pass blocking was really good & we weren't in max protect - PFF ranked Miami the #6 Pass Blocking OL in the country. RB's & TE's ran routes on 70-75% of passing plays.

Look at TVD's highlights - there's checkdown options on a majority of plays. The OL just gave TVD a lot of time. Let's give them credit.

2) TVD was a better passer than King & that opened up the offense - We had a great passer & the OL was giving us time - so isn't an offense that takes shots down the field & doesn't rely on checkdowns exactly what we'd want?

I get that TVD in terms of his draft potential can still make improvements - decision making, footwork, throwing motion, hitting different routes, etc.

But the Offense (credit whoever you want) did a great job of scheming WR's, TE's and RB's open last year. Let's give the scheme credit. It'll be hard to top.
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I kind of agree with you, but you’re off on the details of how the year unfolded.

Lashlee was COMPLETELY unprepared to deal with Allen opening week. Not only did it destroy King’s timing, it ended up destroying his body. King played well against AppState and MSU. App State was filled with drive killing execution errors and both teams Had time consuming drives that limited scoring. King torched MSU before they finished what Alabama started on his shoulder. He just had an uncharacteristic game turnover wise with three(I don’t count that last one because he should have already been taken out of the game).

TVD’s problems before the six game hot streak were not just jitters. The staff adjusted to him in a way they did not for King. It didn’t hurt that TVD didn’t have to play two teams that finished top 10.

He is a better passer than King, but there was a lot more to the offensive improvement in the second half of the season than that. Replacing Gaynor with Clark, moving Scaife from RT, emphasizing Rooster in the passing game, wasting fewer plays with that sorry *** bubble screen, fewer offensive line penalties. There were other things too.

Secondaries didn’t play as deep against TVD either. Alabama and MSU were dropping guys way back. Teams tested TVD a lot more and he showed them why that was unwise.
 
TruCane81 said:
I kind of agree with you, but you’re off on the details of how the year unfolded.

Lashlee was COMPLETELY unprepared to deal with Allen opening week. Not only did it destroy King’s timing, it ended up destroying his body. King played well against AppState and MSU. App State was filled with drive killing execution errors and both teams Had time consuming drives that limited scoring. King torched MSU before they finished what Alabama started on his shoulder. He just had an uncharacteristic game turnover wise with three(I don’t count that last one because he should have already been taken out of the game).

TVD’s problems before the six game hot streak were not just jitters. The staff adjusted to him in a way they did not for King. It didn’t hurt that TVD didn’t have to play two teams that finished top 10.

He is a better passer than King, but there was a lot more to the offensive improvement in the second half of the season than that. Replacing Gaynor with Clark, moving Scaife from RT, emphasizing Rooster in the passing game, wasting fewer plays with that sorry *** bubble screen, fewer offensive line penalties. There were other things too.

Secondaries didn’t play as deep against TVD either. Alabama and MSU were dropping guys way back. Teams tested TVD a lot more and he showed them why that was unwise.
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I think we're talking 2 different things - you're looking at details and I'm talking overall big picture.

I agree with you - if you go into the details you'll find some things that didn't look good.

Where I see things different is when you say "overall our passing strategy was poor". IMO from an overall perspective - our passing strategy was pretty **** good.
 
Debating what our passing attack and TVD's numbers will be vs last season is impossible. First of all, TVD will have a full season. Also missing an important variable, evidence of what our offense will be with improved blocking, running, TE use, WR and full season with TVD. What isn't debatable is TVD vs King LOL.
 
Lol at NFL scouts not approving of Miami’s offense. Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Fields, Trey Lance and Jordan Love were all first rounders and none of them played in an NFL system in college. ****, Josh Allen wasn’t even a good college quarterback. NFL teams care about traits, not systems. Good size, accuracy, touch, arm strength, pocket awareness, agility. If they wanted guys who were check down masters, Cade McNamara would be getting draft hype.
 
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RightSaidFred said:
Mario failed to land a RT from the portal so with Campbell or Scaife in that spot, we might need fo max protect once again. Will be put to the test against A&M for sure and Clemson, hoping but not expecting the right side of the line to hold up
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With an All-ACC RT in that spot…, okay… it’s not the tackles that sucked in the passing game last year, it was the right guard and center. We weren’t as bad as people think overall in pass blocking but run blocking was horrendous!
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
NC State
Pitt
FSU
GT
VT
Duke

Can only play who's on your schedule, but this is where some of the apprehension comes from. Also, he's not sneaking up on anyone this year. If he averages 350+ on over 66% completions this year, he's going to be very wealthy next April.
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I agree with you on both points - we played some pretty soft pass defenses. But he did put up huge numbers against them which is what you'd want to see.

Our run game was pretty bad last year - so I think our passing game was the focus for most opposing defenses all year, even right when TVD came in.

Texas A&M & Clemson are probably TVD's money making games this year.
 
2Focusd804 said:
The things I've seen mentioned most by scouts as areas to work on are:

1. Having quicker feet and movement in the pocket
2. Shortening/speeding up his arm motion or having better anticipation to compensate
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Those 2 things are why I’d draft Young and Stroud over TVD *as of right now*. I was hoping he tightened it up this offseason but I understand the if it ain’t broke dont fix it mentality. Having a quick throwin motion can make a huge difference that people won’t really notice, you can buy an extra second in the pocket and be on time more often,those things can literally be the difference in a big play or short gain or a thrown pass and strip sack. Brady sped his up and thats why he’s still elite, Rodgers always had it and has some of the most insane tight window throws ever. I think his movement in the pocket will improve as he plays more
 
DTP said:
Lol at NFL scouts not approving of Miami’s offense. Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Fields, Trey Lance and Jordan Love were all first rounders and none of them played in an NFL system in college. ****, Josh Allen wasn’t even a good college quarterback. NFL teams care about traits, not systems. Good size, accuracy, touch, arm strength, pocket awareness, agility. If they wanted guys who were check down masters, Cade McNamara would be getting draft hype.
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Exactly... it's why the scouting process is as intensive as it is.... we as fans never see how much of a process it really is in how these teams look for what they want.... Some of the posters here who have real NFL experience can give a better picture of it obviously...
 
Topic on "Thoughts" destroyed immediately when "Thoughts" is spelled wrong.

I will hang up and listen.
 
DTP said:
Lol at NFL scouts not approving of Miami’s offense. Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Fields, Trey Lance and Jordan Love were all first rounders and none of them played in an NFL system in college. ****, Josh Allen wasn’t even a good college quarterback. NFL teams care about traits, not systems. Good size, accuracy, touch, arm strength, pocket awareness, agility. If they wanted guys who were check down masters, Cade McNamara would be getting draft hype.
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I think there is a difference in "offense not designed to help the QB" and an offense not being pro style. I also think you misunderstood what the scouts were saying, they weren't knocking TVD for his offense but saying how the design hurts him in scouting.

For example- is TVD throwing YOLO balls into coverage because he locks on to one read and struggles getting through a progression OR is it because their is no progression or check downs to hit if the deep route isn't open so you gotta throw it or tuck and run.

Scenario A is much different than Scenario B when trying to evaluate a QB to the next level.
 
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Think the A&M game will be the "definer" for TVD this season. Wish we had been able to add a #1 receiver to the mix for him. Also, unless Chaney is 100%, I'm not enamored of our run game's chances at all against a D like Jimbo will put out there.
 
E1k said:
Those 2 things are why I’d draft Young and Stroud over TVD *as of right now*. I was hoping he tightened it up this offseason but I understand the if it ain’t broke dont fix it mentality. Having a quick throwin motion can make a huge difference that people won’t really notice, you can buy an extra second in the pocket and be on time more often,those things can literally be the difference in a big play or short gain or a thrown pass and strip sack. Brady sped his up and thats why he’s still elite, Rodgers always had it and has some of the most insane tight window throws ever. I think his movement in the pocket will improve as he plays more
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Yea def think it will hurt him more in the Pro's than in the ACC next year. I'm not really worried about the arm motion. He'll work on that with a QB coach leading up to the draft but losing some bad weight/gaining strength in his core and legs can help him have lighter, quicker feet in the pocket which will help a lot
 
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