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Top 5 coaches who would come to Miami

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DMoney do you think Butch is a realistic option and do you think he's someone the BoT will pursue when Golden gets the boot at the end of the year?

Would he be a good hire?
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I know he stays in contact with DiMare, but I've heard from multiple good sources that's it's not going to happen.
 
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DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Trying to rally around a hire is different than lauding his résumé. What choice did we have after Folden was hired other than to try to point out some positives and hope for the best?
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You were talking up Golden on RCT before Shannon even got canned. The reason I remember is because I had never heard of Golden before reading your posts. I'm not knocking you one bit - I was just as impressed when I looked into his background.

As for Meyer, he spent several years at Ohio State and Notre Dame. Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program. I'm not saying Fuente can't figure out big-time football. But does he know the caliber of player he'll be going against weekly? Does he know the caliber of athlete he needs to recruit? Does he know how dirty the recruiting game gets?

You are your background. Golden has made us into a Penn State knockoff that performs like Virginia and starts Temple players at safety. I thought he would adapt. He didn't. Fuente could be the next Meyer or the next Dan Hawkins. There's a risk there just like there is with Pruitt.
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Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program, fine. Never coached P5 before Stanford. Fuente went to Oklahoma in 1995 after HS. Do you know who his coach was? Schnelly. So there you go, he has P5 experience going to OU.

RS and Al Golden each had plenty of P5 experience before being a HC. Their tenures were failures. Harbaugh and Patterson, no P5 experience before becoming a HC. Their tenures...no need to comment.

So we know Fuente, has been the HC for 3+ seasons. He knows how to run the WHOLE program. Pruitt, doesn't have this experience. We have no idea whether he can run a WHOLE program. This is a different risk. This makes [Pruitt or Fuente or Herman] none of them a "sure" thing but at least you can watch them running a WHOLE program.

Coaches like Morris (SMU), Montgomery (Tulsa) and Herman (Houston) were all top of the game coordinators. They were offered HC gigs for the first time at sub P5 schools. Now you can evaluate the whole product.
 
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DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Trying to rally aroud a hire is different than lauding his résumé. What choice did we have after Folden was hired other than to try to point out some positives and hope for the best?
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You were talking up Golden on RCT before Shannon even got canned. The reason I remember is because I had never heard of Golden before reading your posts. I'm not knocking you one bit - I was just as impressed when I looked into his background.

As for Meyer, he spent several years at Ohio State and Notre Dame. Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program. I'm not saying Fuente can't figure out big-time football. But does he know the caliber of player he'll be going against weekly? Does he know the caliber of athlete he needs to recruit? Does he know how dirty the recruiting game gets?

You are your background. Golden has made us into a Penn State knockoff that performs like Virginia and starts Temple players at safety. I thought he would adapt. He didn't. Fuente could be the next Meyer or the next Dan Hawkins. There's a risk there just like there is with Pruitt.
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He bottom line is this. There's going to be risk involved with whoever we hire. We're not going to go get kelly or some awesome home run hire. It's going to be a guy like Fuente and we'll have to get lucky that he's the guy.
 
DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Trying to rally around a hire is different than lauding his résumé. What choice did we have after Folden was hired other than to try to point out some positives and hope for the best?
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You were talking up Golden on RCT before Shannon even got canned. The reason I remember is because I had never heard of Golden before reading your posts. I'm not knocking you one bit - I was just as impressed when I looked into his background.

As for Meyer, he spent several years at Ohio State and Notre Dame. Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program. I'm not saying Fuente can't figure out big-time football. But does he know the caliber of player he'll be going against weekly? Does he know the caliber of athlete he needs to recruit? Does he know how dirty the recruiting game gets?

You are your background. Golden has made us into a Penn State knockoff that performs like Virginia and starts Temple players at safety. I thought he would adapt. He didn't. Fuente could be the next Meyer or the next Dan Hawkins. There's a risk there just like there is with Pruitt.
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I mentioned Folden the same way people are throwing out random names on here. ****, I mentioned Stitt on here.

Folden looked like an up and comer at the time. I hadn't studied seriously his background or paid much attention to Temple. If I was charged with hiring the next HC I would have dug deeply into Folden and what he had and hadn't accomplished. One thing he did have though was that Power 5 experience you crave. Lots of it.

Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program? You're reaching now. He had none of that Power 5 experience.

I get that Fuente is a risk. So is Herman and everyone else. You just need to minimize that risk, and one major way to do that is to see what the guy has done when charged with heading a program on his own.

There aren't that many other ways to minimize that risk. That's one reason Davis is attractive to me. I don't love him on game day at all. But I know for a fact that at the very least he's the best evaluator of talent in the history of the game. Not necessarily the greatest recruiter but definitely the best evaluator ever.
 
Used to be a Golden advocate.... It makes sense now. Over compensation. Wow. You can't make this stuff up
 
DMoney

Who are your personal top 3 potential candidates? And do they coincide withb any names that may be floating around certain circles?
 
If not Butch, then give me Herman. However, that guy ****es off everyone so our BOT probably won't go for him. We need a coach that's not PC and don't care like him.Not to mention he's an Urban disciple.
 
The Franchise said:
DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Trying to rally around a hire is different than lauding his résumé. What choice did we have after Folden was hired other than to try to point out some positives and hope for the best?
Click to expand...

You were talking up Golden on RCT before Shannon even got canned. The reason I remember is because I had never heard of Golden before reading your posts. I'm not knocking you one bit - I was just as impressed when I looked into his background.

As for Meyer, he spent several years at Ohio State and Notre Dame. Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program. I'm not saying Fuente can't figure out big-time football. But does he know the caliber of player he'll be going against weekly? Does he know the caliber of athlete he needs to recruit? Does he know how dirty the recruiting game gets?

You are your background. Golden has made us into a Penn State knockoff that performs like Virginia and starts Temple players at safety. I thought he would adapt. He didn't. Fuente could be the next Meyer or the next Dan Hawkins. There's a risk there just like there is with Pruitt.
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I mentioned Folden the same way people are throwing out random names on here. ****, I mentioned Stitt on here.

Folden looked like an up and comer at the time. I hadn't studied seriously his background or paid much attention to Temple. If I was charged with hiring the next HC I would have dug deeply into Folden and what he had and hadn't accomplished. One thing he did have though was that Power 5 experience you crave. Lots of it.

Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program? You're reaching now. He had none of that Power 5 experience.

I get that Fuente is a risk. So is Herman and everyone else. You just need to minimize that risk, and one major way to do that is to see what the guy has done when charged with heading a program on his own.

There aren't that many other ways to minimize that risk. That's one reason Davis is attractive to me. I don't love him on game day at all. But I know for a fact that at the very least he's the best evaluator of talent in the history of the game. Not necessarily the greatest recruiter but definitely the best evaluator ever.
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Plus 3.45

Obviously a name like Kelly is the guy you want but I am sure the powers that be will assume they can't rather then try. Kelly is the guy.

As for Fuente or Herman, IMO you monitor their seasons and evaluate. If Fuente can win against Ole Miss, what more do you want? If Herman wins 10 regular season games and the conference in year 1, seems like the guy. If Fuente replicates their success, perhaps wins an additional game from last year, he seems to have the edge.

Herman v Fuente may decide the conference
 
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I love Herman.

Fuente is very risky.

Consigliere said:
The Franchise said:
DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Trying to rally around a hire is different than lauding his résumé. What choice did we have after Folden was hired other than to try to point out some positives and hope for the best?
Click to expand...

You were talking up Golden on RCT before Shannon even got canned. The reason I remember is because I had never heard of Golden before reading your posts. I'm not knocking you one bit - I was just as impressed when I looked into his background.

As for Meyer, he spent several years at Ohio State and Notre Dame. Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program. I'm not saying Fuente can't figure out big-time football. But does he know the caliber of player he'll be going against weekly? Does he know the caliber of athlete he needs to recruit? Does he know how dirty the recruiting game gets?

You are your background. Golden has made us into a Penn State knockoff that performs like Virginia and starts Temple players at safety. I thought he would adapt. He didn't. Fuente could be the next Meyer or the next Dan Hawkins. There's a risk there just like there is with Pruitt.
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I mentioned Folden the same way people are throwing out random names on here. ****, I mentioned Stitt on here.

Folden looked like an up and comer at the time. I hadn't studied seriously his background or paid much attention to Temple. If I was charged with hiring the next HC I would have dug deeply into Folden and what he had and hadn't accomplished. One thing he did have though was that Power 5 experience you crave. Lots of it.

Harbaugh grew up around the Michigan program? You're reaching now. He had none of that Power 5 experience.

I get that Fuente is a risk. So is Herman and everyone else. You just need to minimize that risk, and one major way to do that is to see what the guy has done when charged with heading a program on his own.

There aren't that many other ways to minimize that risk. That's one reason Davis is attractive to me. I don't love him on game day at all. But I know for a fact that at the very least he's the best evaluator of talent in the history of the game. Not necessarily the greatest recruiter but definitely the best evaluator ever.
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Plus 3.45

Obviously a name like Kelly is the guy you want but I am sure the powers that be will assume they can't rather then try. Kelly is the guy.

As for Fuente or Herman, IMO you monitor their seasons and evaluate. If Fuente can win against Ole Miss, what more do you want? If Herman wins 10 regular season games and the conference in year 1, seems like the guy. If Fuente replicates their success, perhaps wins an additional game from last year, he seems to have the edge.

Herman v Fuente may decide the conference
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There are two candidates as far as I'm concerned.....

1. Tom Herman (Unlikely to leave Houston after one year. Within a year or two he will be at Texas or another big program making 5+ million per year. He is that special)

2. Rob Chudzinski - (He wants the job and has almost the exact resume as Butch coming in. I think he can convince Cristiobal to join him. Cristobal would be HC in waiting).
 
DMoney said:
The Franchise said:
Pruitt might turn out to be a great HC, but what has he done to make anyone think he will?
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Dominate at his job.

His first year as a defensive coordinator, FSU finished 1st in scoring defense and won the national championship. He left, and they dropped to 54th.

He went to Georgia, which ranked 84th in scoring defense. They finished 16th. They also went from 95th in turnover margin to 4th. And as I mentioned, he's a recruiting phenom.

If you're going to limit your search to head coaches, that's fine. But those mid-major guys are just as risky when they jump up a level. We know that better than anyone.

The great, established head coaches like Briles or Patterson are pipe dreams. Herman gives you a nice blend of big-program experience and upside, but he's just one guy.

Who is on your list?
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why did he jump ship from FSU to Georgia for the same job? i dont know the details but it is a curious lateral move, especially just after winning the championship.
 
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UM football has been dead for about 12 years now after hiring to failed coached. One a DC with Miami ties. Grew up, played and coached for The U and he failed. The next approach was a young coach from a mid major who was endorsed by many and he came in and wooed a career politico to hire him.

So what have learned? UM has to minimize its risk as anyone hired will come with some level of it. How? What is the parameters?
1. Experience coaching in big games either as a HC or Coordinator
2. UM must pay all-in for a staff. Has to be at the least $7M range. FSU is plus $9M as a comparison
3. HC must have High School ties in South Florida. Recruiting is a dirty business and SFL is one of the dirtiest in all the land.
4. HC must be diverse. SFL is a melting pot and very unique. It's very different and not for many.
5. HC has to realize UM is vastly different than the typical college town. No on-campus stadium, minimal donor pool, high expectations from fanbase, and the resources are not at the same level as the top 20.

I'm sure there is many more, but these are my top 5. So who do have? And this is no particular order.
1. Butch Davis This is a major stretch. He burned so many bridges 15 years ago that I'm not sure it would work. But if it did, it would be a homerun!
2. Charlie Strong. If fired, which I believe he will be, he has to be strongly considered.
3. Greg Schiano. Not a favorite but he fits the bill.
4. Rob Chudzinski. Removed from college for 13 years is the risk.
5. Mark Stoops. Coached at UM so he understands the culture. At Kentucky which is a deadend job and is making chicken salad out of chicken ****.
6. Justin Fuente. Has turned around a dead Memphis program. He will move from there soon. A bit green.
7. Tom Herman...young head coach but well respected.
8. Eddie Gran
9. Chad Morris
10. Chip Kelly if fired
11. Mark Hudspeth
 
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