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Top 100 2025 vs 2026

just replace bust with Jag
and then i think its easier to accept
Jag simply means avg
nothing special nothing bad just a guy
and based on the Jag standard yes we have over a >50% jag ratio per year out of HS
but thats inevitable bc you dont have much info
but out of the portal the jag ratio should be less bc you have more data on the players and more info about how they would fit your system
so thats why the portal system should not be a rating system at all bc for portals so much of it is about finding the right fit for players and programs
 
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I know the 2022 class seems to get a ton of flack… and to an extent I understand so:

But if you’re telling me that a 2 month transition class produced 3 full time starters on a national championship team and 1 swing O lineman who had starter level snaps I view that as a TREMENDOUS success for a transition class of 15 players
 
E1k said:
This is the only thing id disagree with you on, if we’re talking about purely hs evaluations then you have to consider a player being good even if he transfers. Its still tbd and bust lean to some of the players but just that logic is flawed if its just about hs evaluations

Now if you factor in development and other stuff like if it was a position switch at another school then it’s different
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Yeah I agree with a lot of what @Rellyrell is saying except I look at it as straight evals. Good players transfer out. I think Graves was one. He was a good eval who went elsewhere and did well so I don’t consider him a missed eval hence a bust. That said, it’s a miss in terms of fit here, whether system or personality.
 
Rellyrell said:
Anything to sell my version of Orange & Green shades. Lol
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You've got people stretching and doing their mental gymnastics to get Spring Camp ready. Smart. Don't want them to pull something we won't know about until they don't perform up to the hype :cool:

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Rellyrell said:
This post right here is Exhibit A of fans watching w emotions & being reactionary vs. actually watching the games. Jesus Christ. I want u to actually use logic on everything u just posted vs. just posting.

If McConathy played, like u said, then Y IN THE FCK r we begging for LB help & he couldn’t see the field this yr where Chase passed him up?

U said u saw Day on the field, lol…did u now? Was it because players got hurt, possibly? B/c I’m sure his 1 tackle in 2 games made the difference & he should be starting this season then, correct or at minimum be nickel or play heavy minutes, correct?

U know what’s funny? Often on CIS many will bash players, right; but the moment the player is associated w recruiting, then all of a sudden ppl r offended. Ya’ll have bashed Lyle & McCoy yet now that I’ve brought them up, they r somehow studs? There’s been reports, MANY reports of how Samson’s NIL could’ve been a miscalculation, & hopefully he gets it this season. While he was serviceable, he was clearly behind Mauigoa in development, hence I said TBD, but now it’s a problem.

Lol. Ah, man…& this is y I rather see ads. There’s no need to always get defensive when things r brought up. & yes, Citizen would be considered a bust as unfortunate his injury was.
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In reference to the bolded...THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS BEHIND CI CI IN DEVELOPMENT AND OL Play.
Probably only 2 kids even to put in comparison with him as a talent lol
 
gogeta4 said:
Nyjalik Kelly is gonna be a nfl draft pick too he was a hit. @Rellyrell

Relly you my dawg but ya grading lil too hard...n kids in 2025 class cant have labels yet as bust. In that case boyyyy some of are legends were certified bust...guys like willis mcgahee, sean taylor etc.
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What did Kelly do here? & no where did I say anything about the class of 2025; in fact, I specifically said I’m not including the class of 2025 or 2026. Lol

I want ppl to stop getting defensive & just read w/o emotions & maybe just maybe u guys can stop responding the way u r.
 
Rellyrell said:
Not to be a ****, especially after the season we’ve had, but have they, though, on the HS recruiting side? (List based upon highest to lowest rankings)

2022:
1. Moss - Bust
2. Kelly - Bust
3. Skinner - Bust
4. Citizen - Bust
5. Rogers - Bust
6. Graves - Bust
7. Bisainthe - ✅
8. J. Brown - Bust
9. Williams - Bust
10. Horton - Hit, transferred
11. Harris - Bust
12. Moten Sr - ✅
13. McCoy - Bust
14. Cooper - ✅
15. Young - Hit, transferred

2023:e
1. Mauigoa - ✅
2. Samson - TBD
3. Bain - ✅
4. Wayne - Bust
5. R. Williams - Bust
6. Joseph - Bust
7. Stafford - Bust
8. Fletcher - ✅
9. Acheampong - Bust
10. Bryant - Bust
11. D. Brown - Inconsistent/TBD
12. Aguirre Jr. - Bust
13. R. Washington - Bust
14. C. Johnson Jr. - Bust
15. B. Washington- Bust
16. Horton - Bust
17. Kinsler IV - Bust
18. Kirk - Bust
19. E. Williams - Bust
20. Carver - Bust
21. Spencer - Bust
22. Tripp Jr - Bust
23. Pulliam - Bust
24. Tinilau - Bust
25. Joyce - Inconsistent
26. Freeney - Bust
27. Ruskavich - Bust

2024:
1. Scott - ✅
2. Blount - ✅
3. Lightfoot - ✅
4. Trader - Bust
5. Carr - Bust
6. Pickett Jr - Bust
7. Patterson - Bust
8. Hayes - Bust
9. Lyle - Bust
10. Robinson - Bust
11. A. Jones - Bust
12. Lofton - Inconsistent
13. Mack - Bust
14. Rudolph - Bust
15. Pruitt - TBD
16. Bell - Inconsistent but more hit than anything
17. Thomas - Bust
18. Anderson (everyone’s fave QB) - Bust
19. Day - Bust
20. Plazz - Bust
21. McConathy II - Bust
22. Frédérique Jr. - ✅
23. Wheatley-Humphrey - Bust
24. Minaya - TBD
25. Russell - Bust
26. Francavilla - Bust
27. Murray - Bust
28. Daragjati - Bust

I won’t consider the 2025/2026 classes just yet, b/c both are either true freshmen, RS-freshmen, or true sophomores.

I think u’re conflating what we’ve been able to do in the portal w/ HS evaluations. There’s a reason we’re diving into the portal every off season & it’s due to the quality of our HS recruiting has been something left to be desired. On3 had a podcast a couple of days ago praising our relentless attitude towards the portal, while also cautioning this dangerous game we’ve played 3 yrs in a row by getting top portal QBs to commit at the very last minute, & this yr it literally almost bit us in the ***.

The 2025-26 team featured the following portal players, either starting or playing heavy snaps:
•Carson Beck
•Charmar Brown
•Alex Bauman
•Keelan Marion
•CJ Daniels
•Carter Davis
•Mohamed Toure
•Keionte Scott
•Jakobe Thomas
•Zachariah Poyser
•Akheem Messidor
•Xavier Lucas
•Ethan O’Connor
•David Blay Jr
•James Brockermeyer

68% of our starters/heavy rotation were transfers, & this off season, what did the fans beg for? More transfers, which indicates our HS evaluations are still a tad off. Yes we can praise Toney (as we should), or Fletcher, Moten Sr, Lightfoot, Scott, even Blount…but u’re talking about a small % of hits based upon 100+ HS recruits that are making a difference on the field or have the potential to.

We have to raid the portal b/c the Sr leadership that was supposed to come via the classes of 2022-2023 was an unmitigated disaster, & the class of 2024 provided little to no upperclassmen leadership to bridge the youngins of 2025 & 2026. That’s not being a mope vs. providing a clear, detail picture as to the state of HS recruiting from 2022-2024. Hopefully 2025 eradicates its predecessors & become what the others couldn’t.
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I don't see to much to quibble with here, but I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the binary nature of "Hit" vs. "Bust". Curious if there'd be as much disagreement with an assessment like this:

A- Stud
B- Solid Starter
C- Serviceable
D- Depth
F- Zero
Incomplete- Some combination of injuries/limited snaps makes it difficult/unfair to judge.

2022:
1. Moss - F
2. Kelly - C
3. Skinner - D
4. Citizen - F
5. Rogers - F
6. Graves - B (elsewhere... we never saw it here)
7. Bissainthe - B
8. J. Brown - F
9. Williams - D
10. Horton - C
11. Harris - D
12. Moten Sr - A
13. McCoy - C
14. Cooper - A
15. Young - C

GPA: 1.67 (C-)

2023:
1. Mauigoa - A
2. Samson - Incomplete (on track for a C)
3. Bain - A
4. Wayne - F
5. R. Williams - D
6. Joseph - F
7. Stafford - F
8. Fletcher - A
9. Acheampong - F
10. Bryant - D
11. D. Brown - Incomplete (on track for a C)
12. Aguirre Jr. - D
13. R. Washington - F
14. C. Johnson Jr. - C
15. B. Washington- D
16. Horton - D
17. Kinsler IV - D
18. Kirk - F
19. E. Williams - D
20. Carver - Incomplete (on track for a D)
21. Spencer - F
22. Tripp Jr - F
23. Pulliam - D
24. Tinilau - F
25. Joyce - C
26. Freeney - F
27. Ruskavich - D

GPA: 1.11 (D; using the incomplete grades)
Note: This class has at least 3 future Ring of Honor guys. Lots of misses, but some of the dudes that did hit were MAJOR.

2024 (with the caveat it's probably still too soon to tell for many of these guys):
1. Scott - B (with room/time to improve)
2. Blount - B (with room/time to improve)
3. Lightfoot - B (with room/time to improve)
4. Trader - D (with room/time to improve, albeit elsewhere)
5. Carr - D
6. Pickett Jr - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now, obviously with room/time to improve)
7. Patterson - F
8. Hayes - F
9. Lyle - Incomplete (I'd give him a C now)
10. Robinson - F
11. A. Jones - F
12. Lofton - Incomplete (I'd give him a C now)
13. Mack - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
14. Rudolph - F
15. Pruitt - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
16. Bell - B
17. Thomas - F
18. Anderson (everyone’s fave QB) - F
19. Day - D
20. Plazz - F
21. McConathy II - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
22. Frédérique Jr. - A
23. Wheatley-Humphrey - D
24. Minaya - Incomplete (I'd give him an F now)
25. Russell - F
26. Francavilla - F
27. Murray - F
28. Daragjati - F

GPA: 1.0 (D; using incomplete grades, but with the understanding this class still has time to greatly improve)

Maybe a handful of guys I'd hear a slight bump for and not argue it. Regardless, I think it's definitely fair to say we can and should do better.
 
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Rellyrell said:
What did Kelly do here? & no where did I say anything about the class of 2025; in fact, I specifically said I’m not including the class of 2025 or 2026. Lol

I want ppl to stop getting defensive & just read w/o emotions & maybe just maybe u guys can stop responding the way u r.
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Nyjalik Kelly had like 5 sacks as a underage young true freshman....sophomore year got hurt (Almost could of got a med shirt for)...third year had to leave here because he wanted to be Vinn Diesel from Fast n The Furious. He was a solidified /rotation starter level player here that only transferred out because of what i stated.

I'm with you on most but Kelly n Mccoy i aint with...and Bell is laughable. Mccoy was a project from the get go he only played one szn of ol in high school. He started on one of the best ol in the entire country the last 2 years consistently. He missed blocks n sh*t but in no way he is a bust.
 
gogeta4 said:
Nyjalik Kelly had like 5 sacks as a underage young true freshman....sophomore year got hurt (Almost could of got a med shirt for)...third year had to leave here because he wanted to be Vinn Diesel from Fast n The Furious. He was a solidified /rotation starter level player here that only transferred out because of what i stated.

I'm with you on most but Kelly n Mccoy i aint with...and Bell is laughable. Mccoy was a project from the get go he only played one szn of ol in high school. He started on one of the best ol in the entire country the last 2 years consistently. He missed blocks n sh*t but in no way he is a bust.
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I agree. The thing is how can you label kids with 2-3 years left to play a bust? That doesn’t make sense to me
 
gogeta4 said:
Nyjalik Kelly had like 5 sacks as a underage young true freshman....sophomore year got hurt (Almost could of got a med shirt for)...third year had to leave here because he wanted to be Vinn Diesel from Fast n The Furious. He was a solidified /rotation starter level player here that only transferred out because of what i stated.

I'm with you on most but Kelly n Mccoy i aint with...and Bell is laughable. Mccoy was a project from the get go he only played one szn of ol in high school. He started on one of the best ol in the entire country the last 2 years consistently. He missed blocks n sh*t but in no way he is a bust.
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So they missed on the character eval... either way... not doing **** for Miami is a miss...
 
Bust label should be considered for highly-touted players who flamed out IMO, not those outside the 247. Marginal players who end up minor contributors aren't busts either - they're who we thought they were.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I don't see to much to quibble with here, but I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the binary nature of "Hit" vs. "Bust". Curious if there'd be as much disagreement with an assessment like this:

A- Stud
B- Solid Starter
C- Serviceable
D- Depth
F- Zero
Incomplete- Some combination of injuries/limited snaps makes it difficult/unfair to judge.

2022:
1. Moss - F
2. Kelly - C
3. Skinner - D
4. Citizen - F
5. Rogers - F
6. Graves - B (elsewhere... we never saw it here)
7. Bissainthe - B
8. J. Brown - F
9. Williams - D
10. Horton - C
11. Harris - D
12. Moten Sr - A
13. McCoy - C
14. Cooper - A
15. Young - C

GPA: 1.67 (C-)

2023:
1. Mauigoa - A
2. Samson - Incomplete (on track for a C)
3. Bain - A
4. Wayne - F
5. R. Williams - D
6. Joseph - F
7. Stafford - F
8. Fletcher - A
9. Acheampong - F
10. Bryant - D
11. D. Brown - Incomplete (on track for a C)
12. Aguirre Jr. - D
13. R. Washington - F
14. C. Johnson Jr. - C
15. B. Washington- D
16. Horton - D
17. Kinsler IV - D
18. Kirk - F
19. E. Williams - D
20. Carver - Incomplete (on track for a D)
21. Spencer - F
22. Tripp Jr - F
23. Pulliam - D
24. Tinilau - F
25. Joyce - C
26. Freeney - F
27. Ruskavich - D

GPA: 1.11 (D; using the incomplete grades)
Note: This class has at least future 3 Ring of Honor guys. Lots of misses, but some of the dudes that did hit were MAJOR.

2024 (with the caveat it's probably still too soon to tell for many of these guys):
1. Scott - B (with room/time to improve)
2. Blount - B (with room/time to improve)
3. Lightfoot - B (with room/time to improve)
4. Trader - D (with room/time to improve, albeit elsewhere)
5. Carr - D
6. Pickett Jr - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now, obviously with room/time to improve)
7. Patterson - F
8. Hayes - F
9. Lyle - Incomplete (I'd give him a C now)
10. Robinson - F
11. A. Jones - F
12. Lofton - Incomplete (I'd give him a C now)
13. Mack - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
14. Rudolph - F
15. Pruitt - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
16. Bell - B
17. Thomas - F
18. Anderson (everyone’s fave QB) - F
19. Day - D
20. Plazz - F
21. McConathy II - Incomplete (I'd give him a D now)
22. Frédérique Jr. - A
23. Wheatley-Humphrey - D
24. Minaya - Incomplete (I'd give him an F now)
25. Russell - F
26. Francavilla - F
27. Murray - F
28. Daragjati - F

GPA: 1.0 (D; using incomplete grades, but with the understanding this class still has time to greatly improve)

Maybe a handful of guys I'd hear a slight bump for and not argue it. Regardless, I think it's definitely fair to say we can and should do better.
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Lol what's the difference between depth and zero here exactly. so if a guy is depth here then transfers to start elsewhere, they get a grade of a zero because they didn't contribute in games enough?

This all needs to start by you saying what you're trying to grade the coaches on. evaluation? Development? The staff building a CFP caliber roster? Why not weight grades towards high value positions or superstars? They have a far larger impact on winning. Getting 1 superstar brings more value than what at least 5-7 misses leaves?

Like what is the actual point? Everything is relative anyways, so if you did this same exercise for our opponents and peers what grade do you think they'd be getting? Lol. How many of their starters would be getting graded as just depth or zero here?

Furthermore, the game plan simply now is to take 5-10 high impact portal guys, and like 30ish HS guys yearly, and expect like 15 in attrition that's basically not preventable...
 
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Angry Ibis said:
So they missed on the character eval... either way... not doing **** for Miami is a miss...
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I dont think driving record is part of the charater eval..this is stupid..he was a starter rotational player fromt he day he step foot on campus went to ucf n did the same.
Im not even in the Mario camp but this is weird coming off a championship game appearance 40 yards away from a chip.

They could miss on 100 of their hs classes n we make it to the chip again i wouldnt give a flyin ****
 
Suhrthing said:
Bust label should be considered for highly-touted players who flamed out IMO, not those outside the 247. Marginal players who end up minor contributors aren't busts either - they're who we thought they were.
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I agree with @No_Fly_Zone that its has to be more detailed than bust or hit, but if you were signed to a scholly you dont get to hide behind being a low star rating, especially when we are judging classes as a whole. Whether it be a 5 or 2 star we are tracking whether the signed players contributed, how much they contributed and then rating the effectiveness of those classes. I dont agree with everything @Rellyrell said but he is correct to say that HS recruiting evals here arent beyond reproach.
 
Suhrthing said:
Bust label should be considered for highly-touted players who flamed out IMO, not those outside the 247. Marginal players who end up minor contributors aren't busts either - they're who we thought they were.
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I agree w u; but, I think u need to go back to the QP I responded to. U see, I don’t ever set the criteria or make broad statements. I’m only here to provide data to either support or refute statements.

So let’s recap:
1. This thread is about signing Top 100 players, correct?
2. The QP made the statement about not caring about Top 100 players, b/c they trust this staff’s evals over sites
3. Well, w/ that criteria set, now the entire class comes under scrutiny to either validate or verify if that statement holds true.
4. The bar was set using Toney as proof positive evidence of trusting the staff’s evaluation (Btw, Toney wasn’t some diamond in the rough, non blue chip player. He was a consensus 4*. Low 4*, yes, but nevertheless he qualified as a blue chip)
5. All I did was provide the class data of those from 2022-2024, only, as these would be those ones providing veteran leadership, posting their composite rank position per their respective classes & how they’ve fared here to determine if the QP’s position is valid or not.

The facts r only 14-18% of the guys from 2022-2024 have made an impact here, & based upon our portal hauls, that will remain the same. In fact, many were surprised others didn’t portal out based upon being passed up on the depth charts.

So while normally I would only assign hit or miss ratings to 5-4*, the QP along w others set the criteria in which gave way to scrutinize our highest ranked recruited players per class to the very lowest.

Don’t mad at the messenger for fact checking. In fact, I bet good $$ if I did this same exercise w any other program, u would be singing my praise. Two things can be true:

1. We needed an influx of ready made talent via the portal & we had grand slams on these players
2. The classes of 2025 & 2026 can be ones that surpass their predecessors.
 
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