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Top 100 2025 vs 2026

DMoney said:
Haven’t gotten through the whole list, but under what criteria could McCoy be a bust? He’s a three star who played a ton of snaps on the best OL in America and a Top 2 team.

Exercises like this are tricky in the Portal age. If a player turns into a good player elsewhere, how was it a bad eval?

I’d wager that the HS recruiting of almost every team in America would look bad under the standard of the OP.
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What team has a good HS qb that started for them? Texas- questionable
 
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AUcane said:
I hear you where you're going but you're way too binary for these ratings. There are degrees to evaluate a player. Be more honest with that and you'll get more good feedback. Try a numbering system - 1 - bust, 4 - multi year starter, 2- inconsistent, never a consistent starter, 3 - one year starter, etc
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I didn’t rate. Lol. These were literally rated from the top composite ratings to the lowest based upon size of each class.

I’m not here for “good feedback.” This is not a popularity contest w me. The facts r the class of 2022 was an utter disaster, yet we can give leeway there since it was a transitional class.

Again, i didn’t include the classes of 2025 or 2026 for obvious reasons. I simply listed who were in those classes, and the vast majority of them r no longer on the team or are nothing more than a depth piece who r future portal candidates if I listed as bust. & I know for sure most of these guys u forgot about.
 
Rellyrell said:
I didn’t rate. Lol. These were literally rated from the top composite ratings to the lowest based upon size of each class.

I’m not here for “good feedback.” This is not a popularity contest w me. The facts r the class of 2022 was an utter disaster, yet we can give leeway there since it was a transitional class.

Again, i didn’t include the classes of 2025 or 2026 for obvious reasons. I simply listed who were in those classes, and the vast majority of them r no longer on the team or are nothing more than a depth piece who r future portal candidates if I listed as bust. & I know for sure most of these guys u forgot about.
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I'm talking about your "bust" or ✅ ratings
 
DMoney said:
Haven’t gotten through the whole list, but under what criteria could McCoy be a bust? He’s a three star who played a ton of snaps on the best OL in America and a Top 2 team.

Exercises like this are tricky in the Portal age. If a player turns into a good player elsewhere, how was it a bad eval?

I’d wager that the HS recruiting of almost every team in America would look bad under the standard of the OP.
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B/c we can care less if they become a good player elsewhere. Do u think Auburn fans are saying “boy we really hit it out the park w Keionte Scott; just look what he did at Miami!” **** no.

The reason y HS guys r getting passed up is b/c most staffs in America rather the microwave results vs. developing their own. But let’s talk about McCoy; The Starters were Bell, Samson, Brockermeyer, Cooper, Mauigoa. Has not McCoy gotten his opportunities many times & said opportunities for the past two seasons have been snatched from him?

The point was about championing HS evaluations, not Top 100 picks. Our school thrived off the portal, majority; I’m not sure y anyone is remotely trying to argue or revise history on this. THIS OFF SEASON, we begged for portal help, again. Not just a couple of players, but:
-LB
-TE
-WR
-OL
-QB
-K
-DE

As starters. That means ur HS recruiting is still off.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
How many of these busts had injuries? You have Citizen listed as a bust. The guy had pretty much a career ending injury didn’t he?

Lyle a bust? Guy was the starter for the ND game and got hurt. Yeah he must suck.

McConathy played a lot as a true freshman. Another “bust” who was hurt most of the year.

Day a bust? Pretty sure I saw him on the field at the end of the OSU and Ole Miss games. Wild that the coaches are unaware he’s a bust.

McCoy a bust and Samson TBD lol. Guys split snaps on a top 2-3 OL in the country.

Isn’t it 7 of the last 8 QBs in the past 2 final fours were from the portal. Lots of coaches must suck at evals I guess.
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This post right here is Exhibit A of fans watching w emotions & being reactionary vs. actually watching the games. Jesus Christ. I want u to actually use logic on everything u just posted vs. just posting.

If McConathy played, like u said, then Y IN THE FCK r we begging for LB help & he couldn’t see the field this yr where Chase passed him up?

U said u saw Day on the field, lol…did u now? Was it because players got hurt, possibly? B/c I’m sure his 1 tackle in 2 games made the difference & he should be starting this season then, correct or at minimum be nickel or play heavy minutes, correct?

U know what’s funny? Often on CIS many will bash players, right; but the moment the player is associated w recruiting, then all of a sudden ppl r offended. Ya’ll have bashed Lyle & McCoy yet now that I’ve brought them up, they r somehow studs? There’s been reports, MANY reports of how Samson’s NIL could’ve been a miscalculation, & hopefully he gets it this season. While he was serviceable, he was clearly behind Mauigoa in development, hence I said TBD, but now it’s a problem.

Lol. Ah, man…& this is y I rather see ads. There’s no need to always get defensive when things r brought up. & yes, Citizen would be considered a bust as unfortunate his injury was.
 
Rellyrell said:
B/c we can care less if they become a good player elsewhere. Do u think Auburn fans are saying “boy we really hit it out the park w Keionte Scott; just look what he did at Miami!” **** no.

The reason y HS guys r getting passed up is b/c most staffs in America rather the microwave results vs. developing their own. But let’s talk about McCoy; The Starters were Bell, Samson, Brockermeyer, Cooper, Mauigoa. Has not McCoy gotten his opportunities many times & said opportunities for the past two seasons have been snatched from him?

The point was about championing HS evaluations, not Top 100 picks. Our school thrived off the portal, majority; I’m not sure y anyone is remotely trying to argue or revise history on this. THIS OFF SEASON, we begged for portal help, again. Not just a couple of players, but:
-LB
-TE
-WR
-OL
-QB
-K
-DE

As starters. That means ur HS recruiting is still off.
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interesting points... I think conflating 2 ideas... Reliability of staff evals vs reliance on portal. I don't think those 2 things are necessarily intertwined

I think impossible to say HS recruiting is off if a number of HS players are portaling out and not finishing their careers here or suffering injuries... I.e. Aguirre was in line to start, Washington may have started at LB at some point. A number of OL left that may have started at some point in future had they not left. And, I'm not sure I would count injuries as a bust... Can't predict

Reliance on portal is a standard in college football at this point. I think it's an adaptation that Clemson never adjusted to and see how their program is now. Portal evals also require ability to evaluate well... So I don't think I would say staff evals in general are off based on how portal players have performed here.
 
Rellyrell said:
Absolutely; he’s been unplayable due to penalties & getting beat. Why do u think every time coach has given him an opportunity to play, he’s quickly moved out the lineup?
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I’m not the biggest McCoy fan but this is false. He started every game but 1at LG. And started 12 games in 2024. Samson wasn’t a starter and McCoy played more snaps than him
 
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Rellyrell said:
This post right here is Exhibit A of fans watching w emotions & being reactionary vs. actually watching the games. Jesus Christ. I want u to actually use logic on everything u just posted vs. just posting.

If McConathy played, like u said, then Y IN THE FCK r we begging for LB help & he couldn’t see the field this yr where Chase passed him up?

U said u saw Day on the field, lol…did u now? Was it because players got hurt, possibly? B/c I’m sure his 1 tackle in 2 games made the difference & he should be starting this season then, correct or at minimum be nickel or play heavy minutes, correct?

U know what’s funny? Often on CIS many will bash players, right; but the moment the player is associated w recruiting, then all of a sudden ppl r offended. Ya’ll have bashed Lyle & McCoy yet now that I’ve brought them up, they r somehow studs? There’s been reports, MANY reports of how Samson’s NIL could’ve been a miscalculation, & hopefully he gets it this season. While he was serviceable, he was clearly behind Mauigoa in development, hence I said TBD, but now it’s a problem.

Lol. Ah, man…& this is y I rather see ads. There’s no need to always get defensive when things r brought up. & yes, Citizen would be considered a bust as unfortunate his injury was.
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Mconathy is a DE not LB
 
Circular reference. Sites get graded/judge off how these kid perform, get developed, and ultimately drafted. (Not even including which sites bring in the most clicks).

As our guys get drafted consistently and play at all conf/American level, they give us the saban bump.

I think this moreso explains the last few years, 2026 is then finally just being unbiased.
 
Rellyrell said:
B/c we can care less if they become a good player elsewhere. Do u think Auburn fans are saying “boy we really hit it out the park w Keionte Scott; just look what he did at Miami!” **** no.

The reason y HS guys r getting passed up is b/c most staffs in America rather the microwave results vs. developing their own. But let’s talk about McCoy; The Starters were Bell, Samson, Brockermeyer, Cooper, Mauigoa. Has not McCoy gotten his opportunities many times & said opportunities for the past two seasons have been snatched from him?

The point was about championing HS evaluations, not Top 100 picks. Our school thrived off the portal, majority; I’m not sure y anyone is remotely trying to argue or revise history on this. THIS OFF SEASON, we begged for portal help, again. Not just a couple of players, but:
-LB
-TE
-WR
-OL
-QB
-K
-DE

As starters. That means ur HS recruiting is still off.
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This is the only thing id disagree with you on, if we’re talking about purely hs evaluations then you have to consider a player being good even if he transfers. Its still tbd and bust lean to some of the players but just that logic is flawed if its just about hs evaluations

Now if you factor in development and other stuff like if it was a position switch at another school then it’s different
 
Id call it a missed evaluation instead of a bust because bust is usually about the player, we’re talking about the coaches evaluating skills

I think if you’re not at least in the 2 deep by year 3 of being here its pretty safe to consider you a missed evaluation, especially if younger guys have passed you up . Now that can change of course
 
Rellyrell said:
The reason y HS guys r getting passed up is b/c most staffs in America rather the microwave results vs. developing their own. But let’s talk about McCoy; The Starters were Bell, Samson, Brockermeyer, Cooper, Mauigoa. Has not McCoy gotten his opportunities many times & said opportunities for the past two seasons have been snatched from him?
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lmao Samson didn't start a single game. McCoy was the starter, the **** you even talking about...
 
E1k said:
Id call it a missed evaluation instead of a bust because bust is usually about the player, we’re talking about the coaches evaluating skills

I think if you’re not at least in the 2 deep by year 3 of being here its pretty safe to consider you a missed evaluation, especially if younger guys have passed you up . Now that can change of course
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Year 3 hasn't started for 1/3rd that list lol

And whether we have 22 great players or 85 great players there are the same amount of starting jobs and overall snaps to go around. If a guy is behind entrenched productive players and never has the real opportunity to play then portals out and starts elsewhere after developing here... that's not a miss either really lol.

Like does Ryan Rodriguez go from being a miss/bust to a hit this year if he starts for us at center? Is SJ a bust if he cant' start over rodriguez? We have 1 starting job available. 2 players. Well actually we had 3 when Nino was here. So just obviously mathematically center alone shows the best "hit" we'll generally have is 1/3?

Also what was the actual expectation when we got that player? You need depth regardless.
 
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Calinative said:
Year 3 hasn't started for 1/3rd that list lol

And whether we have 22 great players or 85 great players there are the same amount of starting jobs and overall snaps to go around. If a guy is behind entrenched productive players and never has the real opportunity to play then portals out and starts elsewhere after developing here... that's not a miss either really lol.

Like does Ryan Rodriguez go from being a miss/bust to a hit this year if he starts for us at center? Is SJ a bust if he cant' start over rodriguez? We have 1 starting job available. 2 players. Well actually we had 3 when Nino was here. So just obviously mathematically center alone shows the best "hit" we'll generally have is 1/3?

Also what was the actual expectation when we got that player? You need depth regardless.
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I agree its a lil early for some players but some of them are getting passed up by younger guys. For example i liked Pickett and mcconethy idk if they got hurt or something but we’re talking lowe and blount at edge more so than him and they got here before. Some may say wait but I don’t think its crazy to say they’re misses as of now

Popo was in the 2deep for two years so its tbd depending on how good he is at nc state. But you would have liked him to be considered a lock to either start or be close to it with wes leaving an unproven wlb room

And yes if ryan plays well he changes from a miss to hit imo, he’s been here and we decided we’re going to the portal multiple times at center, i don’t think he played many snaps this year or last. Like samson earned snaps even tho he didn’t start, if not he was on his way to be a miss. Sj its tbd to me

I understand your point of only 22 starters, thats why i said 2 deep. And the reality is we will probably have more misses than hits, i think thats the case for alot of teams
 
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Rellyrell said:
This post right here is Exhibit A of fans watching w emotions & being reactionary vs. actually watching the games. Jesus Christ. I want u to actually use logic on everything u just posted vs. just posting.

If McConathy played, like u said, then Y IN THE FCK r we begging for LB help & he couldn’t see the field this yr where Chase passed him up?

U said u saw Day on the field, lol…did u now? Was it because players got hurt, possibly? B/c I’m sure his 1 tackle in 2 games made the difference & he should be starting this season then, correct or at minimum be nickel or play heavy minutes, correct?

U know what’s funny? Often on CIS many will bash players, right; but the moment the player is associated w recruiting, then all of a sudden ppl r offended. Ya’ll have bashed Lyle & McCoy yet now that I’ve brought them up, they r somehow studs? There’s been reports, MANY reports of how Samson’s NIL could’ve been a miscalculation, & hopefully he gets it this season. While he was serviceable, he was clearly behind Mauigoa in development, hence I said TBD, but now it’s a problem.

Lol. Ah, man…& this is y I rather see ads. There’s no need to always get defensive when things r brought up. & yes, Citizen would be considered a bust as unfortunate his injury was.
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Day is a 3 star sophomore DB that had 6 tackles and a sack on the season in a backup role but did end up playing in the CFP. So a second year 3* DB not logging 40+ snaps a game is a bust……ok

McConathy is a DE and played behind Reuben Bain. How dare the second year 3* DE not supplant the #1 pick DE.

“Busts” are normally calculated on performance based metrics not someone’s knee getting shredded in a preseason practice. But whatever.
 
E1k said:
This is the only thing id disagree with you on, if we’re talking about purely hs evaluations then you have to consider a player being good even if he transfers. Its still tbd and bust lean to some of the players but just that logic is flawed if its just about hs evaluations

Now if you factor in development and other stuff like if it was a position switch at another school then it’s different
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No, b/c u’re evaluating how they’ll do for yr program & in ur system. If a player thrives for another team, that means u misevaluated said player to play in ur program.

I’ll give u a perfect example as a Bulls fan; we drafted Lauri Markkanen, & he didn’t thrive w us. What we were asking him to do went against his skill set, therefore he was considered a bust draft pick for the organization. We trade him to Cleveland where he had a little more success, but it wasn’t until he was traded to Utah where he thrived. My Bulls saw zero return on that draft pick & no one is crediting our “eval” now that he’s thriving in Utah; that pick is still considered a bust.
 
Rellyrell said:
No, b/c u’re evaluating how they’ll do for yr program & in ur system. If a player thrives for another team, that means u misevaluated said player to play in ur program.

I’ll give u a perfect example as a Bulls fan; we drafted Lauri Markkanen, & he didn’t thrive w us. What we were asking him to do went against his skill set, therefore he was considered a bust draft pick for the organization. We trade him to Cleveland where he had a little more success, but it wasn’t until he was traded to Utah where he thrived. My Bulls saw zero return on that draft pick & no one is crediting our “eval” now that he’s thriving in Utah; that pick is still considered a bust.
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Agree to disagree, I account that to development and roster management because in your example lauri showed signs of being a really good player in Chicago. You guys trading him and him thriving elsewhere is not a sign of bad evaluations its a sign of bad development and management.

Yes you are evaluating thru the lens of what a player can be in your systems but football is simple..Like if we play alot of man to man and a player leaves here and goes to another team that plays man to man and thrives then we didn’t make a bad evaluation we either did not develop correctly or managed our roster wrong by letting him leave or getting rid of that player

Stuff like this should be looked at case by case but if we are just talking about evaluating then its not that much grey area. Its about If the player is good or not

I think you’re grouping all of this together in saying someone is a bust. Like its an extreme example but what if sean taylor wanted to play as a freshman and transferred because we had ed reed. If he goes to whatever school and becomes great still how is that a bust for our evaluations
 
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