Tommy Tanks?

[Pitcher in the Rye]

IMG has scholarships. I don't see tuition as an issue here at Miami moving forward. I would expect the baseball team to get NIL deals from Ruiz. His son played at UM (Johnny Ruiz). I haven't heard about any baseball NIL deal, but I expect they're out there. We could really own college baseball if NIL takes off there. It would make up for the lack of scholarship money and also put money in these young men's pockets.

NIL deals aren’t just free money. There is an expectation that the athlete will promote a good or service. The athletes that get them play a popular glamour sport like football or basketball, or are stars in that sport, or have a big social media presence. I don’t think Ruiz is just gonna throw money at some JUCO transfer bench warmer in a niche sport like college baseball without an expectation of ROI. But if he does, that’s great. Ain’t my money.

 

[Pitcher in the Rye]

It’s like when 12 kids are paying $2,500 to play on a travel ball team. They are paying for uniforms, tournaments, coaches, and for the kid who throws 93. Your fees are covered, son.

Can’t figure out the bigger scam- travel ball or showcases.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Would love to have him. He was in in the DH roll this year. I'm sure he'll go where he can play 1B. That creates a big problem for us unless Kayfus moves to the outfield.

He plays 3B

 

[Number1CanesFan]

NIL deals aren’t just free money. There is an expectation that the athlete will promote a good or service. The athletes that get them play a popular glamour sport like football or basketball, or are stars in that sport, or have a big social media presence. I don’t think Ruiz is just gonna throw money at some JUCO transfer bench warmer in a niche sport like college baseball without an expectation of ROI. But if he does, that’s great. Ain’t my money.

Uhhh, I know this. I know what NIL is and have written several posts against pay for play.

I think Tommy Tanks has market value. Walters, the "Angel of Death has market value. Palmquist has market value. YoYo has market value. Any baseball player that could be drafted has future market value.

Also, getting to Omaha has market value. Winning a national title has market value.

The value is whatever the other side is willing to pay.

Ruiz has NIL deals with 100+ UM athletes including baseball players according to the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/05/17/john-ruiz-miami-booster-nil-ncaa/

 

[Number1CanesFan]

He plays 3B

Oh, I just assumed 1B because his body type doesn't project at 3B. It's still a problem as we have YoYo at 3B.

 

[Ajcane8]

NIL deals aren’t just free money. There is an expectation that the athlete will promote a good or service. The athletes that get them play a popular glamour sport like football or basketball, or are stars in that sport, or have a big social media presence. I don’t think Ruiz is just gonna throw money at some JUCO transfer bench warmer in a niche sport like college baseball without an expectation of ROI. But if he does, that’s great. Ain’t my money.

Didn’t he say (maybe it was jr) he wants to sign every single long snapper in the country to an nil deal? Not much roi available there.

 

[Pitcher in the Rye]

Uhhh, I know this. I know what NIL is and have written several posts against pay for play.

I think Tommy Tanks has market value. Walters, the "Angel of Death has market value. Palmquist has market value. YoYo has market value. Any baseball player that could be drafted has future market value.

Also, getting to Omaha has market value. Winning a national title has market value.

The value is whatever the other side is willing to pay.

Ruiz has NIL deals with 100+ UM athletes including baseball players according to the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/05/17/john-ruiz-miami-booster-nil-ncaa/

Existing players have some marketing value, but like it says in the article “can’t be used as inducements to go to a particular school”. So the new recruit looking at his balance after his partial scholarship can’t technically expect anything until he gets to campus and there’s no guarantee once he does. Unless Ruiz is breaking the rules which it kinda looks like with that Kansas basketball player.

 

[Pitcher in the Rye]

CIS posters should be the ones getting the NIL deals, anyway.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Existing players have some marketing value, but like it says in the article “can’t be used as inducements to go to a particular school”. So the new recruit looking at his balance after his partial scholarship can’t technically expect anything until he gets to campus and there’s no guarantee once he does. Unless Ruiz is breaking the rules which it kinda looks like with that Kansas basketball player.

No, you're wrong on Ruiz. He made the deal after the Kansas State player signed.

Of course Tommy Tanks would get a deal after signing with Miami and not before. Why would you think a lawyer who knows the law would break the rules?

It's not that hard for a player to know his value without breaking any rules. These guys have agents now which is perfectly legal.

 

[Pitcher in the Rye]

No, you're wrong on Ruiz. He made the deal after the Kansas State player signed.

Of course Tommy Tanks would get a deal after signing with Miami and not before. Why would you think a lawyer who knows the law would break the rules?

It's not that hard for a player to know his value without breaking any rules. These guys have agents now which is perfectly legal.

Of course he “signed” the deal after the transfer. No way in **** did he not know what was waiting for him through his handlers, though. It’s the reason he came.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Of course he “signed” the deal after the transfer. No way in **** did he not know what was waiting for him through his handlers, though. It’s the reason he came.

It actually wasn't, but I'm not here to debate.

 

[Canes2082]

it's all fsu for him.

So can we accuse them of the same thing we get accused for when a transfer comes to us?

 

[BP Joe]

it's all fsu for him.

Why - I thought he wanted to have a chance at Omaha? They were a series loss to us from being at home right now.

 

[canesstevealum08]

Why - I thought he wanted to have a chance at Omaha? They were a series loss to us from being at home right now.

True. But he may be a moron

 

[BP Joe]

True. But he may be a moron

He would be a nice RH hitting addition, especially if Burke leaves.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

No, you're wrong on Ruiz. He made the deal after the Kansas State player signed.

Of course Tommy Tanks would get a deal after signing with Miami and not before. Why would you think a lawyer who knows the law would break the rules?

It's not that hard for a player to know his value without breaking any rules. These guys have agents now which is perfectly legal.

Is it illegal to sign an NIL before your school? Didn’t Shemar sign his NIL deal the night before signing day? And that 5 star QB going to Tenn also already signed, didn’t he?

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Is it illegal to sign an NIL before your school? Didn’t Shemar sign his NIL deal the night before signing day? And that 5 star QB going to Tenn also already signed, didn’t he?

Nobody is enforcing and the paperwork is probably post dated.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Nobody is enforcing and the paperwork is probably post dated.

I honestly have no idea. I always thought it was only binding if you went to that school, so it wasn’t a big deal. Kinda like guys signing FA agreements with multiple schools before committing/signing. IIRC Dalvin signed an FA agreement with Miami, UF and FSU.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

I honestly have no idea. I always thought it was only binding if you went to that school, so it wasn’t a big deal. Kinda like guys signing FA agreements with multiple schools before committing/signing. IIRC Dalvin signed an FA agreement with Miami, UF and FSU.

Well, signing an NIL before signing a letter of intent is considered pay-for-play which is a violation in Florida, Texas, and other states. It's buying a player to go to the school.

Yes, players are being bought, but in most cases it's a grey area because technically the NIL is after the signing.

Because the NCAA NIL policy depends on each state's NIL law, it's really up to the state for enforcement which little to nothing is being done.

States remain quiet on pay-for-play violations

Many states restrict or ban pay-for-play contracts for student athletes, but there is little legal framework to investigate schools that violate guidelines.

www.abc10.com

 

[Pitcher in the Rye]

Well, signing an NIL before signing a letter of intent is considered pay-for-play which is a violation in Florida, Texas, and other states. It's buying a player to go to the school.

Yes, players are being bought, but in most cases it's a grey area because technically the NIL is after the signing.

Because the NCAA NIL policy depends on each state's NIL law, it's really up to the state for enforcement which little to nothing is being done.

States remain quiet on pay-for-play violations

Many states restrict or ban pay-for-play contracts for student athletes, but there is little legal framework to investigate schools that violate guidelines.

www.abc10.com

So if you maintain that players are bought and the NIL process isn’t enforced, how can definitively say in your other post that the Nijel Pack deal was on the up and up?