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[JD08]

We already disproved that. Did McGahee stay? Sean Taylor? Kellen Winslow?

Elite talent expected to go high in the draft is completely different than a good player going in the fifth round.

McGahee 23rd pick
Taylor 5th pick
Winslow 13th pick

People aren't going to leave a stable program to maybe get picked in the fifth round.

 

[1mg of Epi]

We already disproved that. Did McGahee stay? Sean Taylor? Kellen Winslow?

Those guys are elite players. This is about the borderline guys who leave knowing they may end up being UDFA.

 

[TheEye]

Those guys are elite players. This is about the borderline guys who leave knowing they may end up being UDFA.

Well the only time we are a stable program is when we have elite players so...

 

[hoops156]

Players will absolutely leave a program they feel is headed in the wrong direction. Do you think Jeff Thomas would have declared if that had been an option?

Sorry no kid should stay 4 years if they feel they can get picked. Thomas is likely gone this year and he shouldn’t come back tbh esp if he has another good season. This is a 1 year stint for Thomas and nothing more. I know your fandom takes hold and wants them to play for free for four years but none of them should. Again, all the top programs have guys who bounce early and the only outlier was really Clemson’s dl.

 

[hoops156]

You got people going in the 1st round who has never done shît but only 1 year of production is held against willis?

The issue w Willis is his past right or not. We don’t know what happened to him for an entire year and that makes a big diff. He spent five years in college and really fully played once at um and partial season at uf really. Combine that w no senior bowl combine bowl game and apparently interviews. He’s gonna be good but this all factors into a kid getting picked

 

[JD08]

Sorry no kid should stay 4 years if they feel they can get picked. Thomas is likely gone this year and he shouldn’t come back tbh esp if he has another good season. This is a 1 year stint for Thomas and nothing more. I know your fandom takes hold and wants them to play for free for four years but none of them should. Again, all the top programs have guys who bounce early and the only outlier was really Clemson’s dl.

I never said anything about kids should stay 4 years and fandom has nothing do with the likelihood of kids staying.

My entire point is that players are more likely to stay at a stable program where they're developing instead of leaving early to maybe get drafted in the later rounds or become undrafted free agents.

You disagree by pointing out elite players at the top 2 programs who leave early. They are not representative of the 130 FBS programs.

 

[hoops156]

I never said anything about kids should stay 4 years and fandom has nothing do with the likelihood of kids staying.

My entire point is that players are more likely to stay at a stable program where they're developing instead of leaving early to maybe get drafted in the later rounds or become undrafted free agents.

You disagree by pointing out elite players at the top 2 programs who leave early. They are not representative of the 130 FBS programs.

there were about 130+ underclassmen that entered the draft this year. UF lost a ton of juniors, if I'm not mistaken, either and they had a successful year under Mullen with seemingly stable leadership under him. Miami isn't like most FBS programs and if you can't see that then idk what else to say. Miami is or was known as NFL U for a reason and when you recruit high starred kids, the expectation is that you're getting them for most likely 3 years.

 

[JD08]

there were about 130+ underclassmen that entered the draft this year. UF lost a ton of juniors, if I'm not mistaken, either and they had a successful year under Mullen with seemingly stable leadership under him. Miami isn't like most FBS programs and if you can't see that then idk what else to say. Miami is or was known as NFL U for a reason and when you recruit high starred kids, the expectation is that you're getting them for most likely 3 years.

People never leave jobs because of bad management and rats don't leave ships because they're sinking.

 

[hoops156]

I never said anything about kids should stay 4 years and fandom has nothing do with the likelihood of kids staying.

My entire point is that players are more likely to stay at a stable program where they're developing instead of leaving early to maybe get drafted in the later rounds or become undrafted free agents.

You disagree by pointing out elite players at the top 2 programs who leave early. They are not representative of the 130 FBS programs.

your point makes sense if youre recruiting 2-3 stars. it doesn't when it comes to 4-5 stars. joe jax got a draft eval that warranted him leaving early. willis was a senior so it didnt matter. if im a college player and i hear that im likely a 3-5th rounder, im gone. id rather make money developing in the league vs playing for free, risking your draft stock with possible injuries.