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4th-5th round is appropriate range for all them to be drafted outside of Willis. He should've been picked already but I think his past issues and then missing the senior bowl really hurt him.
 
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Can't have it both ways.

You want good players? ... Accept the fact that many will want to leave early.

Face it, players goals and circumstances in life are not always the same as what fans wish they would choose to do.

I don't sweat it... Its their life and their choice to make.

I just wish Canes the best ...whatever they decide to do
 
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jjacks93 said:
Why does it always have to be someone telling them to leave ? You’ve never met a hard headed person before ? At this point he’s a grown man who can think for himself .

With that being said said I’m sure he got suggestions from both sides
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It’s not always about agents pushing an agenda. He probably got back a grade between 3-5th rd and thought he could squeeze towards the top tier of that. He also maybe doesn’t want to play for FREE anymore. Maybe he would rather make 500K to play the game he loves. Maybe he doesn’t feel like going to school everyday. It’s not always about being a 1st rd pick. Some kids just want to get to the league and starts their career. You make some noise in your first contract and you will reap the rewards in your second contract in 3-4yrs.
 
caneinorlando said:
It is not the appropriate range....
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Every NFL team is telling you it is. Why do some of you do this every year? Y’all act like the NFL just hates our guys and sleeps on our talent. You all ever thought that maybe our guys just aren’t as good/prepared therefore they don’t want to risk a top 3 pick on them.
 
BeastMode said:
Every NFL team is telling you it is. Why do some of you do this every year? Y’all act like the NFL just hates our guys and sleeps on our talent. You all ever thought that maybe our guys just aren’t as good/prepared therefore they don’t want to risk a top 3 pick on them.
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NFL teams are constantly making draft mistakes....Nothing new...been going on forever....and who tf is talking top 3 pick??....If you think JJ and Willis aren't 2nd round talent...I honestly don't know what to tell you...
 
I don’t know if another year would have helped Jackson. He was a true jr. I bet him being here 4 years would have helped his stock. Unless you’re a freak, it’s tough to leave college after just 3 years, not redshirting, at certain positions.

I think the culture will change some under manny.
 
caneinorlando said:
NFL teams are constantly making draft mistakes....Nothing new...been going on forever....and who tf is talking top 3 pick??....If you think JJ and Willis aren't 2nd round talent...I honestly don't know what to tell you...
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JJ did not produce like a top 64 player in the entire country. If you believe he did, there is nothing more to talk about here. Do you realize how ELITE you have to be to be selected in the top 2 Ed’s of the NFL Draft? Willis has one year of production and a ton of off the field issues. No NFL team was going to risk a high draft pick on him. Why risk that much money when the kid played one college season? Yes the NFL makes mistakes but your argument on this isn’t valid. You are overvaluing our players.
 
caneinorlando said:
NFL teams are constantly making draft mistakes....Nothing new...been going on forever....and who tf is talking top 3 pick??....If you think JJ and Willis aren't 2nd round talent...I honestly don't know what to tell you...
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willis, while being great last year, wasn't worthy of a second round pick. he had 1 solid year of production in his entire career. **** prolly be good, tho he won't be older than a lot of the kids he went up against in college anymore. JJ, i like him a lot, but didnt see him going in the first two rounds esp with all the elite DL talent ahead of him. DE is an elite, prime position in the nFL right now and teams likely won't take chances on a DE in the first two rounds if they dont believe theyre sure fire starters. also, NFL teams making draft mistakes doesn't mean theyre just sleeping on our players. they see miami players as much as they see anyone else since our games are televised.
 
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5XNC said:
I don’t know if another year would have helped Jackson. He was a true jr. I bet him being here 4 years would have helped his stock. Unless you’re a freak, it’s tough to leave college after just 3 years, not redshirting, at certain positions.

I think the culture will change some under manny.
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esp tough to leave in a position where the NFL values as prime. if you are shooting for a high round pick status and aren't getting those grades esp at DE, you shouldn't leave. again, he could just be playing for the second contract and thats fine w me. its smart to learn and get better for money vs for free
 
Dwinstitles said:
They get drafted where they get drafted most of the time based on talent level whether its this year or next. Thing is if u read here all the time u would think everyones a first rounder. We pump our kids a little too much sometimes and we all sit here and wonder why someone wasnt drafted. We as fans come here to CIS (which is great btw) read how good this guy is or that guy when other teams around the country have better guys.
JJ is a good player I would def draft him but there alot better in the draft.
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I agree that we overpump our own players and are a tad bit biased sometimes, but it’s hard not to overestimate our players draft stock when they are consistently put into first round mock drafts throughout the year by analysts. This year alone, joe Jackson, Jaquan, Willis, and even Michael Jackson were all at different points in time labeled first round picks in mock drafts everywhere. Just sayin.
 
brock said:
Even if they do leave and get picked In the 4th, it’s more money than they ever saw before so that’s why players take that chance. The difference in money is significant from a first round pick to the rounds after though
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At Clemson, they make more money by staying for that extra year.
 
caneinorlando said:
It is not the appropriate range....
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Oh. You really think jaquon who ran a terrible 40 and 5'10" was gonna be a 1st or 2nd rounder ? Or joe jackson being in the most loaded d line class likely ever was gonna be picked highly ? You have better arguments with willis or mike jack but it is what it is.
 
hoops156 said:
willis, while being great last year, wasn't worthy of a second round pick. he had 1 solid year of production in his entire career. **** prolly be good, tho he won't be older than a lot of the kids he went up against in college anymore. JJ, i like him a lot, but didnt see him going in the first two rounds esp with all the elite DL talent ahead of him. DE is an elite, prime position in the nFL right now and teams likely won't take chances on a DE in the first two rounds if they dont believe theyre sure fire starters. also, NFL teams making draft mistakes doesn't mean theyre just sleeping on our players. they see miami players as much as they see anyone else since our games are televised.
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You got people going in the 1st round who has never done shît but only 1 year of production is held against willis?
 
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IMO this has more to do with winning consistently and recruiting not only the top line talent but the requisite depth needed. The Clemson D line is an outlier, like some have said earlier in this thread the Bamas and UGAs all have kids who declare early. The answer to that is having the next man ready to go. Such as having Xavier Thomas ready to replace Clelin Ferrell. That will come when we win regularly and recruit at a higher level. The fact these early departures of the last few seasons hurt so much was the lack of quality behind them
 
hoops156 said:
no they won't. Bama had a ton of kids declare and theyre as stable as can be. the only program that was surprisingly able to get their stars back was clemson with the DL and they all got picked round 1. before that, clemson still loses juniors like any other program does bc these kids want to play in the NFL esp when youre recruiting 4-5 star guys.
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Players will absolutely leave a program they feel is headed in the wrong direction. Do you think Jeff Thomas would have declared if that had been an option?
 
Don't do this again. If a kid wants to leave early they will. If it weren't for Daiz I believe Shaq and Pink would have left early. It just depends on the kid and his situation. It makes no difference for these kids if they stay or leave right now for us.

Joe could have came back but that doesn't mean he'd improve his stock neccesarily. It's a toss up a lot of the times. We as fans want everyone to come back that aren't necessarily 1st round picks but everyone thought he'd be drafted within the first 3 rounds. If he would have been a 3rd round pick this thread wouldn't exist.

I know the argument about Clemson guy's stayed but they went 1st round and 2 of them might have went even earlier if they left last season.
 
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