Tin Foil Hat Time

[404Usernamenotfound]

Separate play, but i need the rules experts to help me on this one.

The fumble after the half. Lets ignore the fact of whether it was a fumble or not. They determined it was not a fumble, so they determined that Jennings held onto the ball and threw it.

If that is the determination, how is spiking a pass into the grass right in front of you while youre taking a sack not Intentional Grounding?

It seems to me that play has 3 possible outcomes: 1) fumble 2) sack 3) intentional grounding.

But just calling am incomplete pass is not computing for me. If he held onto the ball and threw it to the grass, its grounding.

The rule for intentional grounding is that it has to be intentional.. if you’re being hit, you can say he was intentionally throwing it there.

Perhaps an argument could be made that fine, it was a pass, but was it a forward pass? A backwards pass would still be a fumble.

The defender pushing the arm forward should not qualify this as a pass. It’s clearly a fumble.

The fact that it was OVERTURNED.. as it clear enough to change the call is absurd

Then, on the broadcast you can hear the refs talk about it. By the way the talk they made it sound like the clearest forward pass ever. It was horse****

 

[jdmorgan76]

As much of a hold as the Jalen Rivers hold against Syracuse when Martinez busted a 50 yarder...

Its hard to imagine that the amount of money wagered on sports doesn't affect the referees...

 

[LeanMeanOrangeGreen]

I'm sorry if you don't think this deserves it's own thread, but I just have something I need to be talked off the ledge about.

Let me preface this by saying I blame Mario, the staff, and the players 100.0% for the loss on Saturday. We're having a lot of discussion about refs, and this is another, so I get the inevitable rolling of the eyes on this thread in general. But this game wasn't lost by the refs, it was lost by our braindead coaches and players. But I need to explain, because I'm a little confused here.

I personally know an ACC official. He's a friend of friends, but we know each other fairly well, have spent time together and conversed plenty. He didn't do the game Saturday, but he has done games in the past. I haven't spoken to him since the spring, but in the past we have had discussions about his job, overall. I asked him about how the officials are graded, among many other things. And one thing he told me is, as you'd expect, every call or non-call is graded, but one of the "harshest" grades you can get is by making a call that is wrong or unnecessary. The example he used for me is, if there's a quick screen or sweep left, and you call a hold on the right tackle, it better be the world's worst hold, because it really has no impact on the play. Basically even if the RT wasn't even there, or never got out of his stance, the defender over him isn't making the play. And that makes sense. He didn't say this part verbatim, but the way I pretty clearly understood it was, they want you to err on the side of "non-calls" versus making calls that are borderline or bad that impact games.

So, to the tin foil hat part. I am NOT a conspiracy theory guy. At all. Maybe I'm a moron for that, but it is what it is. And when I watch Miami games, I genuinely try to watch them through non Orange and Green glasses. I'm almost never the guy who complains about refs. I try to be impartial. I'm also not trying to let this NBA stuff cloud my judgement. No, to be clear, I do not think everything is rigged. But watch this ******* play. It's 3rd and 8. The entire world knows, if Miami converts, the game is over. They have no timeouts. This is literally, 100.0%, the play of the game. If you were going to make a call or non-call to impact a game, this sure seems like the one to do it on. And back to what I said, these guys are being coached/taught to NOT throw needless flags.

If one person here can tell me with a straight face that this is a hold, kind of a hold, maybe a hold, or one ref on one planet in the entire solar system would even be confused and call this a hold, I will gladly delete this thread. But....this isn't a hold. It's not even close to a hold. It can't accidentally be interpreted as a hold. Remember, these are the refs who watch our games live. They watch tape of our games. They watch Bain get held on almost every single snap, and almost never call it. So, if you watch him all game long, and swallow the whistle, that's cool. But you CANNOT call this bull****. Not on 3rd and 8 with the literal game in the balance.

So, watch this if you have a minute and give me your opinion. As a total non-conspiracy theory guy, am I out of my mind for being REALLY ******* suspicious of this?

It almost looks like the defender took out his legs which caused the RT to fall on him when you look at it in slow motion

 

[caneingville]

Every game this season up to 10/31 (Not including the SMU game weekend).

Columns 3 & 4 show penalties that each team has committed season to date.
Columns 4 & 5 show total penalties called on their opponents while playing against the team in column 2, season to date.

Column 5, row 10 shows that only 25 penalties have been called on Miami's opponents, which is less than half of the average (52).

The ACC simply does not call penalties on teams playing Miami.



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Thanks so much. Awesome work.

If you have the time, would you be willing to go back and add the data for all seasons since 2004? As I said in my previous post, if we are correct, then this will prove that the only true constant is the logo and the ACC, as this phenomenon has occurred over 20+ seasons, six different coaches, more assistants than I care to count, and Lord only knows how many players.