Tin Foil Hat Time

The Bain stuff makes absolutely ZERO sense but I assume some of it is his not acting very animated. Either way, it’s criminal.

This is why you take the opportunity to shred one of the worst pass defenses in the country. We should have scored 35+ on them (more really, but I’m being conservative). When you play with no margin for error against mediocre teams, you lose games due to the refs. If we’d had some semblance of an offense, it makes it much harder to lose because of blown calls.
 
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Am I the only one who noticed that the NCAA removed both the 2025 Football Rulebook and 2025-26 Football Handbook from their website this week?
 
I've been trying to preach this message for decades now. Get it though your heads.

MIAMI WILL NEVER BE OFFICIATED FAIRLY IN THE ACC!!!


This is not conspiracy theory, its a fact. Here is a chart compiled from cbfstats.com showing all penalties against Miami's opponents for every game prior to last weekend (SMU game). You will notice that the ACC simply does not call penalties on Miami's opponents.

There is a reason why Miami always loses in November, even going back to Mark Richt's time. The reason is because we play all ACC games with ACC crews in November. This is NOT incompetence. This is criminal behavior.


We MUST GET OUT OF THE ACC.



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I was thinking this too, and I was wanting to put the data together for all years since we joined the ACC. It’s not a coincidence that the program has this “November” issue since joining the ACC, when we’ve had SIX DIFFERENT HEAD COACHES since joining the ACC. That’s how many assistant coaches, players, etc.? Same exact issue, over 20 years, even a different stadium, but the logo and the conference is the only thing that is consistent.
 
I was thinking this too, and I was wanting to put the data together for all years since we joined the ACC. It’s not a coincidence that the program has this “November” issue since joining the ACC, when we’ve had SIX DIFFERENT HEAD COACHES since joining the ACC. That’s how many assistant coaches, players, etc.? Same exact issue, over 20 years, even a different stadium, but the logo and the conference is the only thing that is consistent.



Yup. The data I posted is on-point. ACC refs called less than half of the penalties on teams playing UM that they called against every other team in the ACC.
 
Bizarre. The defender tripped and fell. RT was caught off guard and kinda fell with him. NOT a hold.
 
I'm sorry if you don't think this deserves it's own thread, but I just have something I need to be talked off the ledge about.

Let me preface this by saying I blame Mario, the staff, and the players 100.0% for the loss on Saturday. We're having a lot of discussion about refs, and this is another, so I get the inevitable rolling of the eyes on this thread in general. But this game wasn't lost by the refs, it was lost by our braindead coaches and players. But I need to explain, because I'm a little confused here.

I personally know an ACC official. He's a friend of friends, but we know each other fairly well, have spent time together and conversed plenty. He didn't do the game Saturday, but he has done games in the past. I haven't spoken to him since the spring, but in the past we have had discussions about his job, overall. I asked him about how the officials are graded, among many other things. And one thing he told me is, as you'd expect, every call or non-call is graded, but one of the "harshest" grades you can get is by making a call that is wrong or unnecessary. The example he used for me is, if there's a quick screen or sweep left, and you call a hold on the right tackle, it better be the world's worst hold, because it really has no impact on the play. Basically even if the RT wasn't even there, or never got out of his stance, the defender over him isn't making the play. And that makes sense. He didn't say this part verbatim, but the way I pretty clearly understood it was, they want you to err on the side of "non-calls" versus making calls that are borderline or bad that impact games.

So, to the tin foil hat part. I am NOT a conspiracy theory guy. At all. Maybe I'm a moron for that, but it is what it is. And when I watch Miami games, I genuinely try to watch them through non Orange and Green glasses. I'm almost never the guy who complains about refs. I try to be impartial. I'm also not trying to let this NBA stuff cloud my judgement. No, to be clear, I do not think everything is rigged. But watch this ******* play. It's 3rd and 8. The entire world knows, if Miami converts, the game is over. They have no timeouts. This is literally, 100.0%, the play of the game. If you were going to make a call or non-call to impact a game, this sure seems like the one to do it on. And back to what I said, these guys are being coached/taught to NOT throw needless flags.

If one person here can tell me with a straight face that this is a hold, kind of a hold, maybe a hold, or one ref on one planet in the entire solar system would even be confused and call this a hold, I will gladly delete this thread. But....this isn't a hold. It's not even close to a hold. It can't accidentally be interpreted as a hold. Remember, these are the refs who watch our games live. They watch tape of our games. They watch Bain get held on almost every single snap, and almost never call it. So, if you watch him all game long, and swallow the whistle, that's cool. But you CANNOT call this bull****. Not on 3rd and 8 with the literal game in the balance.

So, watch this if you have a minute and give me your opinion. As a total non-conspiracy theory guy, am I out of my mind for being REALLY ******* suspicious of this?


The D player lost his footing. Clear as day.
 
Yup, and the way we cycle thru coaches and NONE of them ever complain, I guess we are in on it too.. **** is probably wwe really.. NONE of our coaches ever have balls to straight up call **** out, always on some ball supposed to go to jojo but he wasnt available bs? They probably get bonuses and toast up with refs honestly.. Dabo eating 10k fines and Mario cant call out one of like 8 crazy calls?!
Honestly theyre scared they'll make it worse or I think in Mario's case he really believes he can coach or develop talent to overcome. Which is in my opinion. Stupid. You might for a game or two but College Football is so hard, that refs can absolutely impact a season or a program with a few mid season games.

We make mistakes and call dumb plays. Every team does. We have very little margin of error over the course of a season. They can point to hey look at that game or that play, bull ****. Its just cover. I think its more egregious here but it does happen at other places too. There's a few that are protected. The most subtle I saw recently was Tenn getting ****ed by Alabama a few weeks ago. Just a couple of huge bull**** calls in the middle worth a 10 to 14 point swing. But im certain of it.

Its always been happening. The worst are our own fans or fans of other teams that say but if we'd done this, or this. Yeah, okay if we'd just been PERFECT it wouldn't have mattered. 🤣

The NFL is not immune. The NBA not immune. Im a Laker fan so one hand I see the overwhelming benefit play out over seasons and a lifetime. And I see the flip side with us

But to dismiss, tells me youre an idiot or the worst, apathetic
 
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Was your data for this season only, or since 2004?


Every game this season up to 10/31 (Not including the SMU game weekend).

Columns 3 & 4 show penalties that each team has committed season to date.
Columns 4 & 5 show total penalties called on their opponents while playing against the team in column 2, season to date.

Column 5, row 10 shows that only 25 penalties have been called on Miami's opponents, which is less than half of the average (52).

The ACC simply does not call penalties on teams playing Miami.



Penalties Against Canes & Opponents Thru 10-31-25.webp
 
We do realize that Trader initiated the contact by literally running into the defender, shoulder first, knocking him down which caused him to reach out & grab Trader on instinct falling down, correct?

See, this is y I have to be the bad guy on this board. If I’m a ref seeing this, this is a wash play. If Trader was actually trying to run a route & he got pulled down then I’m calling P.I/holding, but in fact Trader was not trying to run a route, he was creating a pick for Toney. By all accounts this could’ve easily been called O-PI had the ball gone to Toney.
Bro - the guy impeded him and don’t dispute that he initiated contact but then the guy held on to him and brought him down.
 
Bizarre. The defender tripped and fell. RT was caught off guard and kinda fell with him. NOT a hold.
Rewatching the game, Maugoina had a earlier holding call very similar.. He should stop trying that move or talk to ref and figure out what he can do, something about it is not something they like about it..
 
The oline first half was an absolute mess. Mario and Mirabal need to stop handling the oline with kid gloves and actually get it in order.. They were getting penalties on every drive.
 
We do realize that Trader initiated the contact by literally running into the defender, shoulder first, knocking him down which caused him to reach out & grab Trader on instinct falling down, correct?

See, this is y I have to be the bad guy on this board. If I’m a ref seeing this, this is a wash play. If Trader was actually trying to run a route & he got pulled down then I’m calling P.I/holding, but in fact Trader was not trying to run a route, he was creating a pick for Toney. By all accounts this could’ve easily been called O-PI had the ball gone to Toney.
Clemson DB got ran over in a much more clear and obvious fashion and had PI called on him and it cost them the game this past weekend.
 
Clemson DB got ran over in a much more clear and obvious fashion and had PI called on him and it cost them the game this past weekend.

& that’s the problem w/ ACC refs. They need to get rid of conference referees & have a fully unionized FBS & FCS refs. Also, I’m of the opinion that if refs continually make egregiously bad calls, they should be subjected to being dropped a tier, reducing their pay.

I know that will never happen, but I hate the inconsistencies throughout CFB. ****, even though we hate the Gators, even they got fck’d on a clear caught pass which was deemed incomplete v. UGA. I hate it all, & the worst part? They’re not held accountable in ANY sport.
 
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I'm sorry if you don't think this deserves it's own thread, but I just have something I need to be talked off the ledge about.

Let me preface this by saying I blame Mario, the staff, and the players 100.0% for the loss on Saturday. We're having a lot of discussion about refs, and this is another, so I get the inevitable rolling of the eyes on this thread in general. But this game wasn't lost by the refs, it was lost by our braindead coaches and players. But I need to explain, because I'm a little confused here.

I personally know an ACC official. He's a friend of friends, but we know each other fairly well, have spent time together and conversed plenty. He didn't do the game Saturday, but he has done games in the past. I haven't spoken to him since the spring, but in the past we have had discussions about his job, overall. I asked him about how the officials are graded, among many other things. And one thing he told me is, as you'd expect, every call or non-call is graded, but one of the "harshest" grades you can get is by making a call that is wrong or unnecessary. The example he used for me is, if there's a quick screen or sweep left, and you call a hold on the right tackle, it better be the world's worst hold, because it really has no impact on the play. Basically even if the RT wasn't even there, or never got out of his stance, the defender over him isn't making the play. And that makes sense. He didn't say this part verbatim, but the way I pretty clearly understood it was, they want you to err on the side of "non-calls" versus making calls that are borderline or bad that impact games.

So, to the tin foil hat part. I am NOT a conspiracy theory guy. At all. Maybe I'm a moron for that, but it is what it is. And when I watch Miami games, I genuinely try to watch them through non Orange and Green glasses. I'm almost never the guy who complains about refs. I try to be impartial. I'm also not trying to let this NBA stuff cloud my judgement. No, to be clear, I do not think everything is rigged. But watch this ******* play. It's 3rd and 8. The entire world knows, if Miami converts, the game is over. They have no timeouts. This is literally, 100.0%, the play of the game. If you were going to make a call or non-call to impact a game, this sure seems like the one to do it on. And back to what I said, these guys are being coached/taught to NOT throw needless flags.

If one person here can tell me with a straight face that this is a hold, kind of a hold, maybe a hold, or one ref on one planet in the entire solar system would even be confused and call this a hold, I will gladly delete this thread. But....this isn't a hold. It's not even close to a hold. It can't accidentally be interpreted as a hold. Remember, these are the refs who watch our games live. They watch tape of our games. They watch Bain get held on almost every single snap, and almost never call it. So, if you watch him all game long, and swallow the whistle, that's cool. But you CANNOT call this bull****. Not on 3rd and 8 with the literal game in the balance.

So, watch this if you have a minute and give me your opinion. As a total non-conspiracy theory guy, am I out of my mind for being REALLY ******* suspicious of this?



SIAP…And then realize on this same play you are talking about, with the whole game on the line, not only did they call that a hold…BUT THEN THEY PICK UP A FLAG ON A 1000% BLATANT GRAB THE WR P.I. It was basically one of those plays where the defender knows he is getting run by, totally gives up and just grabs the guy.
 
Separate play, but i need the rules experts to help me on this one.

The fumble after the half. Lets ignore the fact of whether it was a fumble or not. They determined it was not a fumble, so they determined that Jennings held onto the ball and threw it.

If that is the determination, how is spiking a pass into the grass right in front of you while youre taking a sack not Intentional Grounding?

It seems to me that play has 3 possible outcomes: 1) fumble 2) sack 3) intentional grounding.

But just calling am incomplete pass is not computing for me. If he held onto the ball and threw it to the grass, its grounding.
 
Separate play, but i need the rules experts to help me on this one.

The fumble after the half. Lets ignore the fact of whether it was a fumble or not. They determined it was not a fumble, so they determined that Jennings held onto the ball and threw it.

If that is the determination, how is spiking a pass into the grass right in front of you while youre taking a sack not Intentional Grounding?

It seems to me that play has 3 possible outcomes: 1) fumble 2) sack 3) intentional grounding.

But just calling am incomplete pass is not computing for me. If he held onto the ball and threw it to the grass, its grounding.

If you get hit as you’re throwing, and it’s ruled a pass, you’re not going to get called for intentional grounding 99.9% of the time. I honestly thought that play was ruled correctly. I wasn’t sure why Lucas hesitated. He had no idea you were there. Run through his soul.
 
I ran numbers earlier this year in this post. The one side calls show up in the stats and it’s egregious. I will update at end of the season.

I will say this, if the millionaire head coach of an NBA team can get caught up in a gambling ring, along with some millionaire players, anything is possible. These refs make less than $100k per year. There’s too much one sided bs to ignore
 
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