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Some of you guys are so concerned with winning the internet that you can't receive I'm not making this an "either, or" debate.

My point is, and always has been, that we should have had Brisett and Kaaya.

Some of y'all keep "dumbing the debate" to Kaaya V. Brissett. To me, it's Brissett V. Preton Dewey and Gray Crow.

Is tger any debate about Brissett being better than them? The depth behind Morris when Brissett transferred was those 2 and Ryan Williams. So, yeah, Brissett would have been an upgrade.

And y'all can't have it both ways... Just like Golden didn't get a pass. If you're arguing Kaaya was good enough to start as a true freshman, then he was good enough to beat that average Louisville team, who had a new coach and terrible QB play. Average QB play, which Brissett would have given us, would have been enough to win that game.


Moro said:
MIATL said:
You must have forgotten Kaaya's 1st start at Louisville.

Yeah, I would have taken Brissett over starting a true freshman.

And I suspect competing with Brissett would have been better for Kaaya, too. Nothing like having another legit QB on the roster to raise your level of play, IMO.




Moro said:
MIATL said:
Golden should have brought Brissett in as a transfer. 1 of the bigger blunders of his tenure at Miami.
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Really, would you have taken Brisset over Kayaa? QB has not been our issue for a while. OC and DC a long with depth at the skill positions, LB, DL, CB and WR have been our down fall.
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No, I didn't forget. He was a freshman starting for the first time as a D1 QB and playing against a ranked team to add. If you want to critique Kayaa and compare him to Brisset then you should look at Kayaa's first four games and see how he compared to Mia QB who started their first four games. When you do that you will find that Kayaa was the best over the past 14 years at Miami:

TD's/YDS/ QB Rating
TD YDS/avg RATE/avg
2014 BRAD KAAYA 10 263 156.5
2000 KEN DORSEY 9 242.25 163.25
2008-09 JACORY HARRIS 6 249 150.7
2003 BROCK BERLIN 5 221 123.77
2010 STEPHEN MORRIS 5 220 119.2
2005 KYLE WRIGHT 3 205.25 115.57
2008 ROBERT MARVE 5 134.5 112.75

Jacoby Brissett on the other hand:
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2011 FLA 18 39 46.2 206 5.3 2 65 4 86.9

There is no comparison. Kayaa was better. As I said we had bigger issues and QB was not one.

[video=youtube;cB4zEUc8M64]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4zEUc8M64[/video]
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Harris and Morris were gone when he would have been eligible. I'm talking about taking him when he wanted to transfer.

lauderdaleballer said:
Kaaya even as a freshman was better than Brissett. Brissett would of transferred from here too. I doubt he would of played in front of a senior Jacory or an upperclassman in Morris. He definutely wasn't going to play in front of Kaaya. NCState was the best spot for him. It seemed like all he did was check down.
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This is a ridiculous argument alone, because it's based on the premise that we could have simply handpicked Brissett and planted him on Greentree.

As far as I know, nobody knows whether we did pursue him when he was going to transfer out of UFäg. He explored his options and saw NCST as his best fit. But no, we could have just swooped right in and taken him.

Ridiculous and far fetched premise to begin with.

Bìtching about a long gone past that has nothing to do with reality or our current situation must be fun, I guess.
 
cowboycane said:
Brissett is good enough for Bill Belichek but not worth having on the roster for some guys on this board. Classic.
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Outside of having Brady fall in his lap in the 6th round, Babychick has been an abomination selecting QBs. Far from infallible in that area.
 
MIATL said:
Harris and Morris were gone when he would have been eligible. I'm talking about taking him when he wanted to transfer.

lauderdaleballer said:
Kaaya even as a freshman was better than Brissett. Brissett would of transferred from here too. I doubt he would of played in front of a senior Jacory or an upperclassman in Morris. He definutely wasn't going to play in front of Kaaya. NCState was the best spot for him. It seemed like all he did was check down.
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Morris was still on the roster when he transferred. He wasn't going to play here and I doubt he beats out Kaaya during his first year of elgibility. I'm happy for Brisset but he isn't all that. Too be fair, we have been good at qb since Al took over. It could of been better but you can't complain about having 2 of thd top 3 passers in school history then bringing in a potential top 10 pick next year.
 
MIATL said:
Some of you guys are so concerned with winning the internet that you can't receive I'm not making this an "either, or" debate.

My point is, and always has been, that we should have had Brisett and Kaaya.

Some of y'all keep "dumbing the debate" to Kaaya V. Brissett. To me, it's Brissett V. Preton Dewey and Gray Crow.

Is tger any debate about Brissett being better than them? The depth behind Morris when Brissett transferred was those 2 and Ryan Williams. So, yeah, Brissett would have been an upgrade.

And y'all can't have it both ways... Just like Golden didn't get a pass. If you're arguing Kaaya was good enough to start as a true freshman, then he was good enough to beat that average Louisville team, who had a new coach and terrible QB play. Average QB play, which Brissett would have given us, would have been enough to win that game.


Moro said:
MIATL said:
You must have forgotten Kaaya's 1st start at Louisville.

Yeah, I would have taken Brissett over starting a true freshman.

And I suspect competing with Brissett would have been better for Kaaya, too. Nothing like having another legit QB on the roster to raise your level of play, IMO.




Moro said:
MIATL said:
Golden should have brought Brissett in as a transfer. 1 of the bigger blunders of his tenure at Miami.
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Really, would you have taken Brisset over Kayaa? QB has not been our issue for a while. OC and DC a long with depth at the skill positions, LB, DL, CB and WR have been our down fall.
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No, I didn't forget. He was a freshman starting for the first time as a D1 QB and playing against a ranked team to add. If you want to critique Kayaa and compare him to Brisset then you should look at Kayaa's first four games and see how he compared to Mia QB who started their first four games. When you do that you will find that Kayaa was the best over the past 14 years at Miami:

TD's/YDS/ QB Rating
TD YDS/avg RATE/avg
2014 BRAD KAAYA 10 263 156.5
2000 KEN DORSEY 9 242.25 163.25
2008-09 JACORY HARRIS 6 249 150.7
2003 BROCK BERLIN 5 221 123.77
2010 STEPHEN MORRIS 5 220 119.2
2005 KYLE WRIGHT 3 205.25 115.57
2008 ROBERT MARVE 5 134.5 112.75

Jacoby Brissett on the other hand:
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2011 FLA 18 39 46.2 206 5.3 2 65 4 86.9

There is no comparison. Kayaa was better. As I said we had bigger issues and QB was not one.

[video=youtube;cB4zEUc8M64]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4zEUc8M64[/video]
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No, we are more concerned about clearing up the false reports and statements about our players and team. Now let me address some of this BS your putting out here because you act like we were Miami of old playing LV of old:

LV’s “new head coach”, a guy with a proven record of putting 40 points on the scoreboard, regardless of his quarterback. QB Will Gardner completed eight passes the season before. But “new head coach” Petrino smiled broadly after Gardner completed 32-of-37 passes for 542 yards and four touchdowns in Louisville’s spring game. “Terrible QB Play” Gardner went 20 of 28 for 206 yards with two touchdowns, also had the benefit of a superior running game, courtesy of Dominique Brown's 143 yards on 33 carries Monday night against Miami.

We had depth at QB but we can’t control injuries and stupidity. Williams hurt his knee in practice, then Olsen got suspended for drugs and fifth year Sr Jake heaps was your other options. With that said , you start your True Freshman.

Playing against a good team like Louisville on the road in your first game is no easy task. But the conservative play calling all game is what really loss that game. You can’t run the same play every single time when they have everyone in the box knowing it’s coming. Duke had little room to run versus Lousiville’s 8 and 9 man fronts. He amassed just 69 yards on his first 19 carries and that included a 24 yard run. Miami kept running with Louisville putting 8 and 9 men in the box. They were DARING the coaches to spread it and throw the ball. It was terrible coaching.

Why start a freshman or any QB if you don’t trust him to throw? There were no screens to the backs. Miami was 1 for 24 combined on 3rd downs in the last 2 meetings with Louisville (That Monday game and the Russell Athletic Bowl). If you understand the game it was simply poor coaching and play calling that lost that game. I don’t care who would have been at QB the results would have been the same with conservative play calling against a Petrino coached team.
 
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brock said:
That guy really just said qb has been the issue but no mention of the defense? Foh lol
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We had and have the defensive players to win which was pointed out by this current staff. What we lacked in the past was coaching, scheme and depth. The need for a DC, which is one of the issues that I mentioned in my statement, if we had a good one he would have put our players in the best position to win.
 
Just say you didn't actually watch the game, and let's move on.

The Miami defense played more than well enough to win that game. We lost because Golden and staff HAD to start a true freshman at QB. You might be the only person willing argue that isn't he case.

Coley was a terrible OC, but a veteran QB would have made him look better than a guy 3 months removed from high school.

And check the final record for that Louisville team that we lost to in that opening game. Let me know their QB's stats, too.

The Petrino coaching at Lousiville now doesn't scare anybody. That's a VERY average program, IMO.

Moro said:
MIATL said:
Some of you guys are so concerned with winning the internet that you can't receive I'm not making this an "either, or" debate.

My point is, and always has been, that we should have had Brisett and Kaaya.

Some of y'all keep "dumbing the debate" to Kaaya V. Brissett. To me, it's Brissett V. Preton Dewey and Gray Crow.

Is tger any debate about Brissett being better than them? The depth behind Morris when Brissett transferred was those 2 and Ryan Williams. So, yeah, Brissett would have been an upgrade.

And y'all can't have it both ways... Just like Golden didn't get a pass. If you're arguing Kaaya was good enough to start as a true freshman, then he was good enough to beat that average Louisville team, who had a new coach and terrible QB play. Average QB play, which Brissett would have given us, would have been enough to win that game.


Moro said:
MIATL said:
You must have forgotten Kaaya's 1st start at Louisville.

Yeah, I would have taken Brissett over starting a true freshman.

And I suspect competing with Brissett would have been better for Kaaya, too. Nothing like having another legit QB on the roster to raise your level of play, IMO.




Moro said:
Really, would you have taken Brisset over Kayaa? QB has not been our issue for a while. OC and DC a long with depth at the skill positions, LB, DL, CB and WR have been our down fall.
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No, I didn't forget. He was a freshman starting for the first time as a D1 QB and playing against a ranked team to add. If you want to critique Kayaa and compare him to Brisset then you should look at Kayaa's first four games and see how he compared to Mia QB who started their first four games. When you do that you will find that Kayaa was the best over the past 14 years at Miami:

TD's/YDS/ QB Rating
TD YDS/avg RATE/avg
2014 BRAD KAAYA 10 263 156.5
2000 KEN DORSEY 9 242.25 163.25
2008-09 JACORY HARRIS 6 249 150.7
2003 BROCK BERLIN 5 221 123.77
2010 STEPHEN MORRIS 5 220 119.2
2005 KYLE WRIGHT 3 205.25 115.57
2008 ROBERT MARVE 5 134.5 112.75

Jacoby Brissett on the other hand:
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2011 FLA 18 39 46.2 206 5.3 2 65 4 86.9

There is no comparison. Kayaa was better. As I said we had bigger issues and QB was not one.

[video=youtube;cB4zEUc8M64]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4zEUc8M64[/video]
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No, we are more concerned about clearing up the false reports and statements about our players and team. Now let me address some of this BS your putting out here because you act like we were Miami of old playing LV of old:

LV’s “new head coach”, a guy with a proven record of putting 40 points on the scoreboard, regardless of his quarterback. QB Will Gardner completed eight passes the season before. But “new head coach” Petrino smiled broadly after Gardner completed 32-of-37 passes for 542 yards and four touchdowns in Louisville’s spring game. “Terrible QB Play” Gardner went 20 of 28 for 206 yards with two touchdowns, also had the benefit of a superior running game, courtesy of Dominique Brown's 143 yards on 33 carries Monday night against Miami.

We had depth at QB but we can’t control injuries and stupidity. Williams hurt his knee in practice, then Olsen got suspended for drugs and fifth year Sr Jake heaps was your other options. With that said , you start your True Freshman.

Playing against a good team like Louisville on the road in your first game is no easy task. But the conservative play calling all game is what really loss that game. You can’t run the same play every single time when they have everyone in the box knowing it’s coming. Duke had little room to run versus Lousiville’s 8 and 9 man fronts. He amassed just 69 yards on his first 19 carries and that included a 24 yard run. Miami kept running with Louisville putting 8 and 9 men in the box. They were DARING the coaches to spread it and throw the ball. It was terrible coaching.

Why start a freshman or any QB if you don’t trust him to throw? There were no screens to the backs. Miami was 1 for 24 combined on 3rd downs in the last 2 meetings with Louisville (That Monday game and the Russell Athletic Bowl). If you understand the game it was simply poor coaching and play calling that lost that game. I don’t care who would have been at QB the results would have been the same with conservative play calling against a Petrino coached team.
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Lol.

A simple Internet search will confirm his high school coach stated he wanted to come to Miami. It's not conjecture, it's based on a very possible scenario that are previous HC botched.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
This is a ridiculous argument alone, because it's based on the premise that we could have simply handpicked Brissett and planted him on Greentree.

As far as I know, nobody knows whether we did pursue him when he was going to transfer out of UFäg. He explored his options and saw NCST as his best fit. But no, we could have just swooped right in and taken him.

Ridiculous and far fetched premise to begin with.

Bìtching about a long gone past that has nothing to do with reality or our current situation must be fun, I guess.
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MIATL said:
Just say you didn't actually watch the game, and let's move on.

The Miami defense played more than well enough to win that game. We lost because Golden and staff HAD to start a true freshman at QB. You might be the only person willing argue that isn't he case.

Coley was a terrible OC, but a veteran QB would have made him look better than a guy 3 months removed from high school.

And check the final record for that Louisville team that we lost to in that opening game. Let me know their QB's stats, too.

The Petrino coaching at Lousiville now doesn't scare anybody. That's a VERY average program, IMO.

Moro said:
MIATL said:
Some of you guys are so concerned with winning the internet that you can't receive I'm not making this an "either, or" debate.

My point is, and always has been, that we should have had Brisett and Kaaya.

Some of y'all keep "dumbing the debate" to Kaaya V. Brissett. To me, it's Brissett V. Preton Dewey and Gray Crow.

Is tger any debate about Brissett being better than them? The depth behind Morris when Brissett transferred was those 2 and Ryan Williams. So, yeah, Brissett would have been an upgrade.

And y'all can't have it both ways... Just like Golden didn't get a pass. If you're arguing Kaaya was good enough to start as a true freshman, then he was good enough to beat that average Louisville team, who had a new coach and terrible QB play. Average QB play, which Brissett would have given us, would have been enough to win that game.


Moro said:
MIATL said:
You must have forgotten Kaaya's 1st start at Louisville.

Yeah, I would have taken Brissett over starting a true freshman.

And I suspect competing with Brissett would have been better for Kaaya, too. Nothing like having another legit QB on the roster to raise your level of play, IMO.
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No, I didn't forget. He was a freshman starting for the first time as a D1 QB and playing against a ranked team to add. If you want to critique Kayaa and compare him to Brisset then you should look at Kayaa's first four games and see how he compared to Mia QB who started their first four games. When you do that you will find that Kayaa was the best over the past 14 years at Miami:

TD's/YDS/ QB Rating
TD YDS/avg RATE/avg
2014 BRAD KAAYA 10 263 156.5
2000 KEN DORSEY 9 242.25 163.25
2008-09 JACORY HARRIS 6 249 150.7
2003 BROCK BERLIN 5 221 123.77
2010 STEPHEN MORRIS 5 220 119.2
2005 KYLE WRIGHT 3 205.25 115.57
2008 ROBERT MARVE 5 134.5 112.75

Jacoby Brissett on the other hand:
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2011 FLA 18 39 46.2 206 5.3 2 65 4 86.9

There is no comparison. Kayaa was better. As I said we had bigger issues and QB was not one.

[video=youtube;cB4zEUc8M64]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4zEUc8M64[/video]
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No, we are more concerned about clearing up the false reports and statements about our players and team. Now let me address some of this BS your putting out here because you act like we were Miami of old playing LV of old:

LV’s “new head coach”, a guy with a proven record of putting 40 points on the scoreboard, regardless of his quarterback. QB Will Gardner completed eight passes the season before. But “new head coach” Petrino smiled broadly after Gardner completed 32-of-37 passes for 542 yards and four touchdowns in Louisville’s spring game. “Terrible QB Play” Gardner went 20 of 28 for 206 yards with two touchdowns, also had the benefit of a superior running game, courtesy of Dominique Brown's 143 yards on 33 carries Monday night against Miami.

We had depth at QB but we can’t control injuries and stupidity. Williams hurt his knee in practice, then Olsen got suspended for drugs and fifth year Sr Jake heaps was your other options. With that said , you start your True Freshman.

Playing against a good team like Louisville on the road in your first game is no easy task. But the conservative play calling all game is what really loss that game. You can’t run the same play every single time when they have everyone in the box knowing it’s coming. Duke had little room to run versus Lousiville’s 8 and 9 man fronts. He amassed just 69 yards on his first 19 carries and that included a 24 yard run. Miami kept running with Louisville putting 8 and 9 men in the box. They were DARING the coaches to spread it and throw the ball. It was terrible coaching.

Why start a freshman or any QB if you don’t trust him to throw? There were no screens to the backs. Miami was 1 for 24 combined on 3rd downs in the last 2 meetings with Louisville (That Monday game and the Russell Athletic Bowl). If you understand the game it was simply poor coaching and play calling that lost that game. I don’t care who would have been at QB the results would have been the same with conservative play calling against a Petrino coached team.
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No. Just say that you don't know what the **** you are talking about. Here are the stats you asked for:

Miami 6-7 Bowl Loss
Kayaa Passing 2014
Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Brad Kaaya 221 378 58.5 3198 8.5 8.4 26 12 145.9

LV 9-4 Bowl Loss
Will Gardner
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2014 127 221 1669 57.5 7.55 74 12 3 13 136.1

And here is what Petrino and Golden had to say about the game.

The defense was especially good on third down, allowing the Hurricanes one conversion in 13 attempts. "I thought it would be a real battle and we would have to work extremely hard," said Petrino, "Obviously, we made some mistakes on offense and on special teams. I thought the defense really did a great job all night long, especially on third down. We just wanted to wear them out in the fourth quarter, just run and win, that's what we always preach."

Corvin Lamb's 97-yard kickoff return right before halftime provided the go-ahead score for Louisville, which had to withstand several Miami threats from there for a win that wasn't decided until late.

Dominique Brown had a 15-yard touchdown run in the third quarter and Gerald Christian scored on a 10-yard TD catch late in the fourth, leading Louisville to a 31-13 victory over Miami on Monday night.

"We did not do a good enough job protecting a first-start quarterback. Period," Miami coach Al Golden said. So much for your veteran QB BS. So that leaves us with you statement that Coley was a terrible OC which we agree.
 
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I believe it was big Hurricanes fan Jack Daniels who said Miami turned Brissett down, but in any event, what fûgging difference does it make, especially with Coley making the play calls, which was a bigger issue.

You just want to dredge up meaningless what-if bullšhit about something that's impossible to say what would have actually happened.

Like a female, you're whining and bítching about how we would have been better with some imaginary QB, when the real problem was we had what was most likely the worst P5 coach and DC at the time.
 
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Moro said:
MIATL said:
Golden should have brought Brissett in as a transfer. 1 of the bigger blunders of his tenure at Miami.
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Really, would you have taken Brisset over Kayaa? QB has not been our issue for a while. OC and DC a long with depth at the skill positions, LB, DL, CB and WR have been our down fall.
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I wouldnt say WR has really been an issue. Weve had some productive receivers while Golden was here
 
Brissett's skill set was more suited for a spread option offense. He was going to be the next Tebow at UF but it didn't work out. Unless Miami was willing to drastically alter their offense, (like they did for Rosier against Duke) Brissett would have been another square peg being forced into a round hole. Something Golden and co. Seemingly loved to do but were entirely unsuccessful.
 
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