Three Reasons Butch is Out

[HurricaneU]

Absolutely zero new in this thread.

Butch has been spinning gold on national television every Saturday for a reason and it isn't money. Its to help restore his image and credibility - an audition by proxy for ADs out there looking to win games.

He will be back coaching somewhere soon (likely once he is done cashing UNC's buyout checks) and someone will get one of the great identifier and developers of talent in the game.

Meanwhile, Miami will keep racking up moral victory trophies.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Except that is not a "FACT" that he knew about fraudulent classes. You are not using that term correctly. There is not one "FACT" that states that Butch or Bunting in your links knew that these were "Fraudulent" classes and directed kids to them.

Again....Knowing the classes were jokes or easy is not the same as knowing they were fraudulent.

Fair point. Regardless, the newer links I posted dispel the older info that you posted which says that Butch as totally cleared and knew nothing of the situation. Butch obviously knew something--he admitted in the most recent investigation that he knew the AFAM classes were keeping players eligible, and it seems clear that his staff--for which he is directly responsible--were complicit in funneling players into those classes.

His admissions are enough to give any university pause when looking at him as a candidate. He's not "clean", as you suggested.

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

Give up on Butch? Did we give up on the Alamo? Nay, I say.

And was it over when the Germans bombed Peal Harbor?! Hail no!

 

[monkey1371]

Except that is not a "FACT" that he knew about fraudulent classes. You are not using that term correctly. There is not one "FACT" that states that Butch or Bunting in your links knew that these were "Fraudulent" classes and directed kids to them.

Again....Knowing the classes were jokes or easy is not the same as knowing they were fraudulent.

Fair point. Regardless, the newer links I posted dispel the older info that you posted which says that Butch as totally cleared and knew nothing of the situation. Butch obviously knew something--he admitted in the most recent investigation that he knew the AFAM classes were keeping players eligible, and it seems clear that his staff--for which he is directly responsible--were complicit in funneling players into those classes.

His admissions are enough to give any university pause when looking at him as a candidate. He's not "clean", as you suggested.

I don't think he is clean by any stretch. I believe he turned a blind eye and didn't want to know. However, I think if that is going to be the standard.....you can cross off at least 63 of the 65 power 5 head coaches of the list. I'm sure every school has "wink, wink" courses that athletes are directed to,

I personally don't believe it is the Head Coaches job to investigate what goes on in classes. Their job is coach the football team. They have assistants to make sure the kids are "academically eligible" and the academics side of the school is responsible for making sure the kids do the work.

Since the scope of what happened at UNC covered something like 18 years, stretched across athletes from every sport and non athletes it is kind of tough to hold Butch responsible.

UNC was burning long before he got there and long after.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Except that is not a "FACT" that he knew about fraudulent classes. You are not using that term correctly. There is not one "FACT" that states that Butch or Bunting in your links knew that these were "Fraudulent" classes and directed kids to them.

Again....Knowing the classes were jokes or easy is not the same as knowing they were fraudulent.

Fair point. Regardless, the newer links I posted dispel the older info that you posted which says that Butch as totally cleared and knew nothing of the situation. Butch obviously knew something--he admitted in the most recent investigation that he knew the AFAM classes were keeping players eligible, and it seems clear that his staff--for which he is directly responsible--were complicit in funneling players into those classes.

His admissions are enough to give any university pause when looking at him as a candidate. He's not "clean", as you suggested.

I don't think he is clean by any stretch. I believe he turned a blind eye and didn't want to know. However, I think if that is going to be the standard.....you can cross off at least 63 of the 65 power 5 head coaches of the list. I'm sure every school has "wink, wink" courses that athletes are directed to,

I personally don't believe it is the Head Coaches job to investigate what goes on in classes. Their job is coach the football team. They have assistants to make sure the kids are "academically eligible" and the academics side of the school is responsible for making sure the kids do the work.

Since the scope of what happened at UNC covered something like 18 years, stretched across athletes from every sport and non athletes it is kind of tough to hold Butch responsible.

UNC was burning long before he got there and long after.

The issue is that Butch is on record admitting at least knowing about these classes and to knowing that his players were taking these class; players have said that he encouraged them to take the AFAM classes. That doesn't bode well.

I'm sure that 99% of coaches do similar things; they're not on record, though, in what has become the biggest academic scandal in NCAA history

That's enough to make other universities think twice about getting involved with the dude; the fact that he hasn't already been hired says something. And UM certainly won't be the school to touch him.

 

[UMFarArcher]

People keep clinging to this "but the NCAA cleared Butch" notion are ignoring the bigger reality.

UM suffered tremendously over the Shapiro NCAA scandal and embarrassment. The administration and BOT saw it as a huge black eye. Its one reason they extended AG and really liked him, because he was squeaky clean and presented a very clean image of the program.

Butch is tainted. There is NO way anyone can avoid that. The media cannot mentioned Butch without bringing up the UNC fraud case. People also tend to forget he was the HC during the John Blake fiasco at UNC. In the world of public relations and media, Butch has a negative/sleazy stigma attached to him. This is made INFINITELY worse by the fact that UM is on probation with the NCAA. Hiring an HC that was fired during a huge NCAA scandal at another school would generate a lot of bad press for UM. There has now been at least one notable player that has come out and accused Butch of having known about the academic fraud, and even provided a quote of Butch saying "If you wanted an education you should have gone to Harvard". Butch has all but admitted he made the statement and has tried to spin it as "it was taken out of context". But anyway you spin that, when added to the heap of negative crap around his time at UNC, it further makes him very difficult for anyone to hire.

And then you have the fact that many around UM still see Butch as an opportunist that publically lied and bolted and burned bridges at UM upon his departure. This may actually be the LEAST important issue here, but its still an issue. For people who may not care about football as much, if they see Butch as a snake, or someone untrustworthy and duplicitous, they aren't going to hire him.

I think people need to get real about the Butch situation. Yes, he is ABSOLUTELY the best HC option we have right now in a perfect world. I would love to have Butch back. But Butch has made too much of a mess for himself over the years, and given UM's current situation, and what went down over the Shapiro mess, I think its HIGHLY unlikely that Butch would be seriously considered for the job. I hope Im wrong, but I think people pining for Butch are just setting themselves up for major disappointment.

STFU! Get back to diddling your fifteen year old babysitter!

The only reason any of this comes up is because ignorant, unknowing dipschiitts like the OP and you keep blowing crap out of your sphincter.

Butch didn't burn his bridges - UM stretched his contract out and couldn't meet him halfway on the buyout - everything else was agreed upon. It was UM that screwed the pooch, and of course Butch went to the NFL. When Butch told players he would be here, he believed it. When UM told him to suck on it, he let UM suck on it.

Like JJ did. And the program tanked as Butch's players graduated. Just like at UNC.

At UNC, he was the football coach. Not the President, the academic advisors, not the compliance officer - just the football coach.

Just like all administrators do, they throw employees out the window first hoping they won't be looked at.

****, some people are dumb.

 

[ScubaCane]

I truly believe Butch would jump at the chance to coach here again and I don't think we would have to back up a Brinks truck to get him.

 

[UMFarArcher]

The U Part 2. December 13 right after Heismans.

Watch Butch work, hear from some of the best who ever played the game.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Dude, I don't know if he'll ever come back to the school but for the millionth time he is not considered unhirable.

The relevant question for us though is whether he is hire-able for a school on probation.

 

[HurricaneU]

Dude, I don't know if he'll ever come back to the school but for the millionth time he is not considered unhirable.

The relevant question for us though is whether he is hire-able for a school on probation.

Not being flippant, but in all earnestness, what the fug can they do? Wag their fingers harder?

We already skated.

 

[Soul Cane]

Except that is not a "FACT" that he knew about fraudulent classes. You are not using that term correctly. There is not one "FACT" that states that Butch or Bunting in your links knew that these were "Fraudulent" classes and directed kids to them.

Again....Knowing the classes were jokes or easy is not the same as knowing they were fraudulent.

Fair point. Regardless, the newer links I posted dispel the older info that you posted which says that Butch as totally cleared and knew nothing of the situation. Butch obviously knew something--he admitted in the most recent investigation that he knew the AFAM classes were keeping players eligible, and it seems clear that his staff--for which he is directly responsible--were complicit in funneling players into those classes.

His admissions are enough to give any university pause when looking at him as a candidate. He's not "clean", as you suggested.

You guys are some ignorant mofos.

Every single academic support department in the country steers atheletes to take the easiest classes possible. It happens at Duke. It happens at Notre Dame. It happens at Michigan. It's happening at Miami as we speak. It happens everywhere. Every school does it.

To suggest that Butch Davis committed academic fraud by telling football to take easy courses is a hypocritical joke of the highest order. Every coach in NCAA history would be guilty of that crime.

 

[Soul Cane]

People keep clinging to this "but the NCAA cleared Butch" notion are ignoring the bigger reality.

UM suffered tremendously over the Shapiro NCAA scandal and embarrassment. The administration and BOT saw it as a huge black eye. Its one reason they extended AG and really liked him, because he was squeaky clean and presented a very clean image of the program.

Butch is tainted. There is NO way anyone can avoid that. The media cannot mentioned Butch without bringing up the UNC fraud case. People also tend to forget he was the HC during the John Blake fiasco at UNC. In the world of public relations and media, Butch has a negative/sleazy stigma attached to him. This is made INFINITELY worse by the fact that UM is on probation with the NCAA. Hiring an HC that was fired during a huge NCAA scandal at another school would generate a lot of bad press for UM. There has now been at least one notable player that has come out and accused Butch of having known about the academic fraud, and even provided a quote of Butch saying "If you wanted an education you should have gone to Harvard". Butch has all but admitted he made the statement and has tried to spin it as "it was taken out of context". But anyway you spin that, when added to the heap of negative crap around his time at UNC, it further makes him very difficult for anyone to hire.

And then you have the fact that many around UM still see Butch as an opportunist that publically lied and bolted and burned bridges at UM upon his departure. This may actually be the LEAST important issue here, but its still an issue. For people who may not care about football as much, if they see Butch as a snake, or someone untrustworthy and duplicitous, they aren't going to hire him.

I think people need to get real about the Butch situation. Yes, he is ABSOLUTELY the best HC option we have right now in a perfect world. I would love to have Butch back. But Butch has made too much of a mess for himself over the years, and given UM's current situation, and what went down over the Shapiro mess, I think its HIGHLY unlikely that Butch would be seriously considered for the job. I hope Im wrong, but I think people pining for Butch are just setting themselves up for major disappointment.

Oh no! If we rehired Butch, the media may write some mean spirited articles about Miami! What we will ever do!

Pop quit hotshot. The media is going to dislike Miami no matter what we do. Who gives a *****! We're going to fire three Head Coaches in less than a 10 year span. Hire the best available candidate in Butch. Davis had an impeccable academic record at Miami in the late 90s. Miami will only thrive with Butch as the HC again.

And if the rumours are true that Miami would consider Mario as HC, they sure as **** should forget the fact Butch moved onto the NFL 15 years ago.

 

[bomba]

Butch hired Paul Gonnella, so did Randy. Not too many people know what Paul did, but he lands top recruits. Just sayin'.....

FWIW, I want Butch as HC badly.

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

The #1 reason Butch is out is because the Tie ain't going anywhere for ****'s sake.

 

[Geo305]

Say what you want about Butch. Butch will MAKE us win. The U 2 coming to you in 2 weeks. Hold on to your nuts.

 

[Dwinstitles]

U leave Butch alone u f a g.

 

[Geo305]

Butch hired Paul Gonnella, so did Randy. Not too many people know what Paul did, but he lands top recruits. Just sayin'.....

FWIW, I want Butch as HC badly.

I thought about that the other day. If we hired Butch I'm sure he would make a call....

 

[bomba]

Butch hired Paul Gonnella, so did Randy. Not too many people know what Paul did, but he lands top recruits. Just sayin'.....

FWIW, I want Butch as HC badly.

I thought about that the other day. If we hired Butch I'm sure he would make a call....

I think Gonnella would get us close to the death penalty.

 

[dfreshhookup]

The amount of jobs that have come and gone makes it pretty clear that no one in the NCAA has any interest in hiring him and he's carrying some heavy baggage that none of us know about.

It's not like he's been sitting on the sidelines for the last three and half years just waiting for the Miami job to come open again.

 

[Soul Cane]

The amount of jobs that have come and gone makes it pretty clear that no one in the NCAA has any interest in hiring him and he's carrying some heavy baggage that none of us know about.

It's not like he's been sitting on the sidelines for the last three and half years just waiting for the Miami job to come open again.

Butch is still getting paid by North Carolina. His last paycheck is in January.

Butch is going to be hired by someone soon.

And the stars have aligned with the HC job opening up soon in Miami and Davis being available.