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The first hour of this game looked familiar. We'd been playing bad football since the fourth quarter of the FSU game, and this felt like a Greatest Hits of our struggles: pre-snap penalties, no explosives, dead runs between the tackles. Everyone left on our schedule is better than Stanford, and those teams will beat us if we play like that.

But the rest of the game was productive. We covered a 30-point spread and got young players reps. Zero giveaways. Best of all, we stayed healthy. So...

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Said all night I’d love to see more 4 wide with Johnson and Toney on the field at the same time. You can still run duo and run into the A-gaps from 10 personnel. ****, god forbid it takes a defender out of the box, too. But Johnson looks very solid. Patient route runner, good hands, doesn’t look panicked in any way. He looks like an adult out there.

Would love to see 3/7/10/17 with Fletcher or brown in the backfield for a decent chunk of the game. Again, just because you’re in 10 doesn’t mean you can’t be physical and run down hill. Bring Marion in and put him into the slot instead of at X and you can run jet motions to him to keep the 2nd level honest.
 
Wish we would call out Mirabel. The triple I formation is all him and the run game had success in 2nd half because it was Stanford. It don’t work in the 2nd half against Louisville and it won’t work against teams that are even moderately stout up the middle like Pitt or teams that commit to that moving forward.

I will believe how good our tackles are when we run more off tackle, our supposed strength.
 
D…. what are the thoughts inside program about no hold calls? is the staff just accepting it? I have seen numerous other coaches ***** about this in press conferences, is Mario just taking the high road and “controlling what we can control”? Its sickening and egregious night in and night out for years now and something needs to be done
 
STtheGreat said:
D…. what are the thoughts inside program about no hold calls? is the staff just accepting it? I have seen numerous other coaches ***** about this in press conferences, is Mario just taking the high road and “controlling what we can control”? Its sickening and egregious night in and night out for years now and something needs to be done
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I’ll find out. They’ve been pretty proactive with that kind of stuff in the past through more formal channels.
 
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The run game took off last night when Beck started faking like he was doing read options. Maybe it's just a coincidence with better play up front after halftime and a commitment to Fletcher. Or maybe it's a sign that the run game would really take off with just a little bit more creativity.

It's a god darn shame we don't run any sweeps with Mauigoa and Cooper's athleticism on the outside.
 
I’ve been begging for more pace and space . Playing in these tight sets and slow pace at all times is playing with fire. It takes away from our talent advantage which helps underdogs . You can lean on the run and power later in games after teams have been worn down.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Said all night I’d love to see more 4 wide with Johnson and Toney on the field at the same time. You can still run duo and run into the A-gaps from 10 personnel. ****, god forbid it takes a defender out of the box, too. But Johnson looks very solid. Patient route runner, good hands, doesn’t look panicked in any way. He looks like an adult out there.

Would love to see 3/7/10/17 with Fletcher or brown in the backfield for a decent chunk of the game. Again, just because you’re in 10 doesn’t mean you can’t be physical and run down hill. Bring Marion in and put him into the slot instead of at X and you can run jet motions to him to keep the 2nd level honest.
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This. The most reliable players need to be on the field. I don't care if Tony Johnson is Mali's backup by position, he needs to be out there.

I'm cool if Marion doesn't see the field again. He's been disappointing.
 
Cribby said:
I’ve been begging for more pace and space . Playing in these tight sets and slow pace at all times is playing with fire. It takes away from our talent advantage which helps underdogs . You can lean on the run and power later in games after teams have been worn down.
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Completely agree, and when you spread a team out you can still overpower them.

4WR sets with Toney, Daniels, Moore and Toney with Fletcher running inside zone sounds like a successful formula to me.

Feels like every time we do have a spread formation a WR screen is coming.
 
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- This offense is at his best when Mark Fletcher is at running back. His power-running energizes the team. He's good in the passing game, too. Treat him like 1A and it will pay off over four quarters.

It was nice for Jordan Lyle to get some confidence. The coaches are force-feeding him because they know he has juice. There may be some fit issues with our running game, as Lyle is patient and and likes slow-developing runs more than brute force. But both sides need to make it work for our offense to be at its best.

One player I'd love to see more often: Girard Pringle. He's a tough, one-cut runner and his acceleration gives us an element we need.
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All the RB talk…But in those short yardage situations… (MOST OF THE TIME, obv you can't bee all the way predictable)…It has to be C.Brown, just such a short better short yardage back than Fletcher, and imo (and I was critical of Brown addition and I was wrong), he is one of the best short yardage backs in the country, vision and a rare ability to ALWAYS fall forward.

I'm neutral on Fletcher, and it always sounds like he's a great kid. An overall good RB…BUT he basically puts his head down and runs. Need C.Brown there…If nothing else Brown is better at somehow avoiding Brockmeyer's *** when he is getting pushed back into the backfield lol. And I'm worried that it's gonna be 20 carries a game for Fletcher from here on out…That ain't us at our best imo.

I also don't think they are "force feeding" Lyle at all lol…7 carries? That isn't forcing anything.

There's a reason why Josh Moore and JoJo Trader got so many snaps last night. The coaches know we need more athleticism on the field. Moore had more success than Trader, but I expect them both to continue to get opportunities.
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Lol…Imagine taking 7 games to "Know this". Imagine needing a reason to get JoJo Trader snaps after being told all offseason he is our clear #1 WR and us having offensive issues? I'm all for making the kid earn his way back, and if he's an ******* then he doesn't deserve to be on the field, but statements like "reason he got so many snaps" are nuts…Lol…When we have one WR that gets open on the field for most of the time (Daniels a very good player no doubt, but more of a big body, contested catches type) and the offense just played 5 quarters that poorly (and has been inconsistent all year, the clear weaker unit on the team)…Looks like plenty reason to me.

All in all some good things after a predictably flat 1h though…Onward
 
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StPeteCane said:
This. The most reliable players need to be on the field. I don't care if Tony Johnson is Mali's backup by position, he needs to be out there.

I'm cool if Marion doesn't see the field again. He's been disappointing.
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100%. I’ll go so far as to say Johnson should be WR3

That gives you Toney, Daniels, Johnson and Moore in that order. Marion for the occasional screen/gadget stuff. Roll with it.
Idgaf about the numbers the TEs pick up at this point, they are what they are.
 
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