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kanin81 said:
I really liked how Heatherman simplified the coverages and let their athleticism take over. Less thinking more reacting.
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Best thing is you didn't really hear dudes' named mentioned at all. ZP took a bad angle one one play and Toure had the one bust, but it wasn't like we had guys getting picked on over and over. They had two deep passes that I remember: the bust and the great diving WR catch (that was well covered). Other than that everything was a quick out or screen. Gameplan was clearly to not get beat deep with an unknown at QB, but I'd venture to say we''ll be more aggressive against weaker offenses, which should give our DL more time to rush weaker lines.
 
DMoney said:
- We obviously went into a shell late in the game. The criticisms are fair. My personal sense is they just didn’t trust our passing offense yet. This is Game 1 against an elite secondary and a team that finished Top 10 in takeaways. On our end, Beck just started throwing in mid-summer and we were playing two true freshmen. I think if this game was in Week 5, we would’ve put the ball in Beck’s hands more often.
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At one point in the game, Beck was 12 for 12. He was in an absolute groove, and then we went up 21-7, mailed it in. "they didn't trust our passing offense yet", is just complete dumb rationale. Spend the entire offseason waiting for this particular QB, give him $4m, watch him make 12 straight completions, go up 21-7, have a chance to make an emphatic statement on national tv against CFP finalist, 25-3 as a starter, and in the conversation with the best QBs in the country..........

but go "into a shell late in the game"? Spare me. It's Mario and Dawson.
 
P-Tizzle said:
At one point in the game, Beck was 12 for 12. He was in an absolute groove, and then we went up 21-7, mailed it in. "they didn't trust our passing offense yet", is just complete dumb rationale. Spend the entire offseason waiting for this particular QB, give him $4m, watch him make 12 straight completions, go up 21-7, have a chance to make an emphatic statement on national tv against CFP finalist, but go "into a shell late in the game"? Spare me. It's Mario and Dawson. That's the modus operandi for them. And it almost, almost cost Miami the game. January 19th is a delusion of grandeur if this continues the rest of the year.
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I think it’s more about the receivers than Beck. What happens when one of Notre Dame’s veteran corners gets away with pulling one of our teenage WRs jerseys, tips the ball up and it gets picked? Or if they are just off on their timing with Beck due to lack of reps?

I’m not saying I agree. But I can understand the rationale in this particular game.
 
JD4 said:
If this team can continue playing at this level then we can 100% win a national championship. Unfortunately, our team has always lost steam as the season goes on. Hopefully we turn a corner in that regard
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I'm wondering how much of that shifts with Feld out the door.

Anyone realize what they didn't see as much of? Individualism- coaches included.

Besides Irving acting the fool it was mostly business vs goofy end zone arm waving or mustache boy yelling for no reason.
 
DMoney said:
I think it’s more about the receivers than Beck. What happens when one of Notre Dame’s veteran corners gets away with pulling one of our teenage WRs jerseys, tips the ball up and it gets picked? Or if they are just off on their timing with Beck due to lack of reps?

I’m not saying I agree. But I can understand the rationale in this particular game.
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Brother, the rationale makes ZERO sense. You said so in your article, but then. you took a different conclusion.

Beck: at one point 12 of 12. Miami waited just for him to enter portal. Gave him $4m. He looked patient and aware in the pocket. Only pressured on 4 drop backs. Not one pass was close to being intercepted. He is 25-3 as a starter in the SEC! He has a tremendous arm, and completely brilliant as a QB. He protects the ball and wins games. Up 21-7 and then just stop playing? Come on man. That's who Mario and Dawson are and if this continues, we will not make it to January 19th, ****, maybe not even Charlotte. Stepping on the brakes almost.....almost......cost Miami the game.

Do you agree with that?
 
P-Tizzle said:
Brother, the rationale makes ZERO sense. You said so in your article, but then. you took a different conclusion.

Beck: at one point 12 of 12. Miami waited just for him to enter portal. Gave him $4m. He looked patient and aware in the pocket. Only pressured on 4 drop backs. Not one pass was close to being intercepted. He is 25-3 as a starter in the SEC! He has a tremendous arm, and completely brilliant as a QB. He protects the ball and wins games. Up 21-7 and then just stop playing? Come on man. That's who Mario and Dawson are and if this continues, we will not make it to January 19th, ****, maybe not even Charlotte. Stepping on the brakes almost.....almost......cost Miami the game.

Do you agree with that?
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It’s more about the timing. He doesn’t have that many banked reps with these receivers and they are mostly young. We're playing the best secondary on our schedule and maybe the country. Elite in terms of takeaways. It’s Week 1. One mistake could cost the game.

Personally, I thought there were opportunities for low-risk passes. But I was worried about their secondary, too.
 
DMoney said:
It’s more about the timing. He doesn’t have that many banked reps with these receivers and they are mostly young. We're playing the best secondary on our schedule and maybe the country. It’s Week 1. One mistake could cost the game.

Personally, I thought there were opportunities for low-risk passes. But I was worried about their secondary, too.
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Brother, do you agree that we almost lost the game because of that approach?
 
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the major issue for this team's ceiling is that your offense can only be so good if your best WR is a true freshman slot receiver, regardless of how good that player is. Toney looks like someone who will finish top 5 in career catches at UM, but a 5' 10" 17 year old can only shoulder so much of the load. there was little to no evidence from Sunday that any other WR on the team can consistently get open on 3rd and long -- against most teams that shouldn't matter but if we're talking about the playoffs that is the number one thing that needs to be figured out moving forward.

however it's been almost 25 years since we have looked this physically dominant on both lines of scrimmage. the 2017 team had some really good players on the DL but they all topped out at as fringe NFL players and got pushed around by Clemson in the ACC title game. Mario is worth every penny for that fact alone.
 
P-Tizzle said:
Brother, do you agree that we almost lost the game because of that approach?
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We almost lost the game because of a blown coverage.

Let’s not forget if Marion doesn’t get tackled on that route down the sideline he probably runs under that and scores, and the conversation we’re having is completely different.

If we don’t run fletcher on 3rd and 4, and beck happens to throw a pick or is sacked and taken out of field goal range, we’re probably calling for Mario’s head right now.

It’s week 1 and we’re breaking in Beck with a very young WR core against the best secondary we will face all year. Let’s put things into perspective.

With that said, if we don’t improve from here and open things up more as the season goes on, then we can talk. Enjoy the win, without what Mario has built we don’t win these types of games.
 
brcane1 said:
How accurate should we realistically expect Carter Davis to be? It's clear his range is functionally unlimited, but the guess with a guy like this is he might as well be wild thing out there before he got glasses.
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Before the game I was terrified of our K’s. But considering this kid just boomed a game winner on national TV against an arch rival top 10 match up…I feel pretty good about his kicking going forward. That was the biggest moment of his career to date and he excelled.
 
DMoney said:
I think it’s more about the receivers than Beck. What happens when one of Notre Dame’s veteran corners gets away with pulling one of our teenage WRs jerseys, tips the ball up and it gets picked? Or if they are just off on their timing with Beck due to lack of reps?

I’m not saying I agree. But I can understand the rationale in this particular game.
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Yup, I took Dawson's Monday presser comment about ND's secondary: (paraphrasing) "I thought they were really good before the game, and as the game went on I thought they were even better" to actually mean, "those guys are good, but holy **** the refs are letting them get away with murder (and I'm going to consider that fact when calling plays up 2 scores in the second half)"

Personally I think he was overthinking things, but in the context of that game it sure wasn't crazy to lean on the run when we were up in the second half with a WR rotation of 2 portal additions playing their first game & 2 true freshmen, along with a portal QB playing his first game in Dawson's system
 
I'm with @P-Tizzle on this one. Outside of the td passes, Beck was making safe throws and not putting the ball in harm's way. This was a massive over correction from last year's Syracuse game and it almost (I stress, ALMOST) led to the exact same outcome. As has been said already, Mario is really good in these games and has proven that over his career. But he's got to find the right balance between aggressiveness and being conservative.
 
the conclusion is that because it was Game 1 we were more conservative than what we might be down the road. @DMoney 's hypothesis/opinion makes sense. time will tell. if we continue doing the same ****e, then it wasn't Game 1, the lack of reps between Beck and WRs etc.

time will tell.

Dawson's explanation yesterday, however, makes the most sense as to the final drive. he got conservative on third down because he wanted ND to burn their time outs and knew the defense would get at least one sack.

that was the plan AND IT WORKED. Can you give the guy some f@cking credit?
 
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CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
I'm with @P-Tizzle on this one. Outside of the td passes, Beck was making safe throws and not putting the ball in harm's way. This was a massive over correction from last year's Syracuse game and it almost (I stress, ALMOST) led to the exact same outcome. As has been said already, Mario is really good in these games and has proven that over his career. But he's got to find the right balance between aggressiveness and being conservative.
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given the outcome and the way Dawson planned the final drive, seems they found the right balance
 
P-Tizzle said:
Brother, do you agree that we almost lost the game because of that approach?
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Beck didn't come to Miami to hand off the ball. He saw what Cam did and he is going to try and put up the same type of numbers, even if he has to change the play call. Let's see next game how this unfolds.
 
rayray said:
the major issue for this team's ceiling is that your offense can only be so good if your best WR is a true freshman slot receiver, regardless of how good that player is. Toney looks like someone who will finish top 5 in career catches at UM, but a 5' 10" 17 year old can only shoulder so much of the load. there was little to no evidence from Sunday that any other WR on the team can consistently get open on 3rd and long -- against most teams that shouldn't matter but if we're talking about the playoffs that is the number one thing that needs to be figured out moving forward.

however it's been almost 25 years since we have looked this physically dominant on both lines of scrimmage. the 2017 team had some really good players on the DL but they all topped out at as fringe NFL players and got pushed around by Clemson in the ACC title game. Mario is worth every penny for that fact alone.
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Who cares how old he is? His knowledge of the game and his ability to read defenses is literally not normal for anybody that age. Also, the slot WR is always going to excel in Dawsons offense.

As far for the other WRs, we will be just fine in the long run. Besides maybe OSU, I don’t think there is a better db room in the country than what we faced on Sunday. It’s part of the reason why Dawson got so conservative in the 4th quarter. Remember, Beck also hasn’t had a lot of time to throw with these guys. I liked the looks of Marion and Daniels. Moore just needs some more game snaps, but I think he’ll be a big factor this year. On top of that, arguably our best WR (Trader) has been hurt and was on a snap count this weekend
 
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