This is Mario's reality

[fresssh]

Hiring privileges needs to be revoked. He needs to do the only thing hes good at. Recruit. If not, none of his recruit classes will ever do a **** thing. Recruit and leave all the football stuff to people who know what the **** there doing. Not that we have any of those people.

 

[bobbo31]

You are not wrong, sir. Team chemistry and dynamic seems in the toilet. I interpret this as a cultural divide and lack of talent and depth.

But…

Those players Oregon has now are a result of Mario’s multi year recruiting efforts. Comparing that to Manny’s efforts and what Mario took over is unfair.

This season sucks. Its a disaster on the field and successful off the field via recruiting. That will help. Add the portal and we should be way better next year.

But that offense has to go.

Those players are winning in a much more commanding fashion without Mario there than with him, and Lanning is a first time head coach and was in middle school when Mario’s coaching career began.

How do you explain the amount of guys who have left Mario and seen their careers explode? Kayvon Thibideaux, Justin Herbert, Jovan Holland, Benson at FSU. Herbert as soon as he got to the NFL had no growing pains, Herbert while at Oregon didn’t even look like a draftable QB at times. The only thing that got him drafted at 6 was his workouts, his size and prototypical NFL traits.

 

[STG]

Idk if you watched when he had the kid Brown last year. He would just stick with him even though he couldn’t throw a ball to save his life.

All due to his stubborness. Something he is well known for and a major red flag.

 

[Mackmiller974]

The solution is simple. Mario needs to have multiple come to Jesus moments at this point in his career.

1. He needs to look in the mirror and say to himself, I suck as a gameday coach. I bring no value as an X's and O's guy. So I need to keep my opinion or beliefs out of what style of ball we play on O and D.

2. He needs to hire proven/elite coordinators, with recent success, who have unequivocally had that success on their own.

3. He needs to hire coordinators with modern schemes and give them full autonomy. Meaning, allow them to run their own style, bring in their own coaches and stay the **** out of the way.

4. He needs to hire an analyst who is solely dedicated to understanding clock management and assist in that aspect of the game.

5. He needs to focus his efforts on what he is good at. Recruiting, facility upgrades, being a figurehead.

If he does not do the above, at best he is a 9-10 win coach in the ACC even with 85 5 stars on the roster. Dig deeper into his time at Oregon. In 3 of his 4 years, he managed two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season. He did that with his own, elite players. He did that at a time where the PAC 12 was at it's absolute worst in recent memory. USC was a **** show during his time there. Stanford was a **** show. Washingtown was down. The best competition was Utah and we saw what they did to Oregon twice last year, who had FAR SUPERIOR talent.

Mario lost 5 games in 4 years to opponents with sub .500 records while at Oregon. He was 7-7 against ranked opponents. He is NOT a good coach no matter how you look at it.

Look at how much better Oregon looks this year under Lanning versus how they looked last year under Mario. Lanning is getting way more out of that team compared to what Mario did. For example, Oregon has scored 40+ points in 8 straight games, has a bonafide top 10 offense and is a legitimate playoff contender. Mario managed to eclipse 40+ points 7 times in the 2021, 2020 and 2019 seasons combined! And in 2019 he had a generational QB in Justin Herbert.

Lanning, who is a defensive coach, has turned Oregon into a top offense in the country in year 1. How? Because he hired an OC who runs a more modern offense and gave him autonomy over the offense. And they are doing this with a QB they brought in, who was a bum before and have now resurrected into a likely Heisman finalist.

I mentioned this prior, when I read moronic posts about how it's not possible to turn a losing program around in 1 year, and showed just how many teams have accomplished that this year alone. TCU, USC and LSU are all top 8 teams in the country who all had losing records last year. Those results alone debunk that Mario needs years or his own players to have success. And if he does, he is a far worse coach than a lot of us already believed.

This off season will tell us everything we need to know about Mario and what his future will look like at UM. To me, it's really simple. I don't believe firing or moving on from a handful of current coaches is enough. I truly believe the entire staff needs to be gutted. Why? Becuase which truly, elite/great coordinators are okay with not choosing their own position coaches? As it is, it will be difficult IMO to bring in great coordinators after the **** show that has taken place this year, and the past 20 years of UM football, but you can't make it harder by not allowing those coordinators to bring in their own guys. He just made that mistake with this current staff. He cannot repeat it again.

Mario has a reputation of meddling to much in the coaching cirlces, so he needs to get the **** out of the way. Make sure he makes it clear that his coordinators will have full autonomy in every aspect of their side of the ball. If he is not able to do that, he will fail, it's that simple.

I am not absolving players of blame. There are plenty of guys who need to be told to seek shelter elsewhere and that is already in the works. I mentioned names prior who are already likely gone and that list continues to grow. 35-40 players from this current roster will be gone. So going into next season 80% of the roster will be Mario's own guys.

Lastly, this was where it should have been telling for any fan that was still on the fence regarding Gattis or just in general of the massive disconnect between this staff and the current players. Xavier Restrepo is the most respected and likeable young man on this roster. The young man is the hardest worker and shows the upmost respect to his teammates and coaches. I can say all of that unequivocally. When he flat out walked by and ignored Gattis on the sidelines yesterday, that was all you needed to see to know just how bad things really are inside that locker room.

It's sound's simple to us but when we hear Mario say stuff like this it makes it seem like he will never learn. I'm willing to bet Mario thinks Oregon offense is now all of a sudden thriving because they are using his players.

 

[dirtyred786]

Lanning and staff had to bring in talent on offense that wasn't there at Oregon.

Oregon had to replace it's QB, which Lanning did via the portal. That staff alone turned a bum in Nix into a Heisman finalist. What did Mario and staff do to Van Dyke?

They also lost their top two RBs Dye and Benson, who happen to be the lead rushers at USCw and FSU. Oregon's leading rusher this year wasn't someone already on the roster, nope, he was another portal guy brought in by Lanning and staff from Minesotta by the name of Markeise Iriving.

So again, Oregon's Heisman finalist QB as well as leading rusher were brought in via the portal. One was a bum in Nix and the other was a RB at Minesotta. What does that say about what Lanning thought about what Oregon had at those positions on the roster when he took over?

So all they needed was a RB and QB and they addressed it in the portal. That's pretty good then. We currently need, QB, RB, WR, OL, LB, CB.

 

[STG]

It's sound's simple to us but when we hear Mario say stuff like this it makes it seem like he will never learn. I'm willing to bet Mario thinks Oregon offense is now all of a sudden thriving because they are using his players.View attachment 214200

But they aren't. The starting QB and RB were brought in via the portal.

But yes, those comments are concerning. We can only pray it is just coach talk.

 

[STG]

So all they needed was a RB and QB and they addressed it in the portal. That's pretty good then. We currently need, QB, RB, WR, OL, LB, CB.

All they needed? Lmaoooo. You just downplayed the most important position in all of sports.

Last I checked, we had a QB who was a projected top 15 pick by NFL scouts this year and Mario and Gattis ruined him.

So again, Lanning takes an unplayable QB in Nix and turns him into a Heisman finalist and Mario and Gattis take a top 15 pick and turn him into Nix at Auburn.

 

[bobbo31]

We don’t know. How could we know? We don’t have some kind of real life simulation to show us what could be the case. I’m not a Mario apologist. But it’s not as simple as saying that he sucks, the entire coaching staff sucks, and that’s it. I find that incredibly myopic. There are a lot of really great coaches in there. Not all of them suck. So it’s not so black-and-white.

I think we have an idea of what he would have done this year, his team lost 3 of their last 4, Oregon State (I believe, who wasn’t very good) and twice to Utah by a total of 59 points.

What was he going to do at QB? It was a mess for him last year. His OC left to go to Akron, you think he was going to make a HR hire there after he failed here at OC with a substantial budget? They lost the best player on the team in Thibideaux who was the 6th overall pick.

They would have almost assuredly lost to Utah this year and would have probably had another loss to a team or 2 they had no business losing to. Lanning isn’t winning with a roster that is more talented than that 2019 roster with Herbert, Sewell, Holland, Thibideaux, and everyone else who were there then.

 

[dirtyred786]

All they needed? Lmaoooo. You just downplayed the most important position in all of sports.

Last I checked, we had a QB who was a projected top 15 pick by NFL scouts this year and Mario and Gattis ruined him.

So again, Lanning takes an unplayable QB in Nix and turns him into a Heisman finalist and Mario and Gattis take a top 15 pick and turn him into Nix at Auburn.

What he did with Nix is nice. No doubt. But you are also downplaying what it takes for a QB to be successful. Offensive line play and receivers matter too. Nix is surrounded by talent. TVD is not.

 

[bobbo31]

Lanning filled a few gaps in Mario's team. I saw Oregon play last year with a ****tty QB, and they still beat Ohio State. Who's to say Mario wouldn't have made those same adjustments Lanning did.

Mario is doing fine in my opinion. Our team is soft and has a lot of holes. He knows Gattis isnt the answer, but nothing he can do it about it until the season is over. It's just another whole for him to fill in the off season. I fully expect Mario to go crazy in the portal and recruiting for 23 & 24 kids.

Mario has brought in some good talent in the portal and our 23 class is looking good. We will be fine. Mario now knows what each player brings, and has seen what all these players can and cant do. It will be easy for him to make cuts knowing he gave everyone a season to shine and prove they belong on this team.

Mario is a GREAT coach. Recruiting is the base fundamental to winning, and he is one of the best. We arent a LSU team that can bounce back that quick.

I agree with all your bullets, but not your Lanning/Oregon comparisons.

Great coaches have 500 records as a Head Coach?

 

[STG]

What he did with Nix is nice. No doubt. But you are also downplaying what it takes for a QB to be successful. Offensive line play and receivers matter too. Nix is surrounded by talent. TVD is not.

It's nice? Lol. Nah, it's remarkable. Now what did Mario and Gattis do to Van Dyke?

How is the same core OL at UM this year infinitely worse under OL "gurus" in Mario and Mirabal? And look at the opposing defenses we have played this year to boot. Most of them are some of the worst in all of college football.

 

[SFbayCane]

Well said, @STG


I've labelled it the "Coach Great Santini" approach. This is exactly what we see from Mario. If he does not change his approach, he too will fail miserably.

(apparently not too many posters remember that movie - lol).

 

[STG]

Well said, @STG


I've labelled it the "Coach Great Santini" approach. This is exactly what we see from Mario. If he does not change his approach, he too will fail miserably.

(apparently not too many posters remember that movie - lol).

Yes indeed sir.

 

[JustAFanHTX]

The solution is simple. Mario needs to have multiple come to Jesus moments at this point in his career.

1. He needs to look in the mirror and say to himself, I suck as a gameday coach. I bring no value as an X's and O's guy. So I need to keep my opinion or beliefs out of what style of ball we play on O and D.

2. He needs to hire proven/elite coordinators, with recent success, who have unequivocally had that success on their own.

3. He needs to hire coordinators with modern schemes and give them full autonomy. Meaning, allow them to run their own style, bring in their own coaches and stay the **** out of the way.

4. He needs to hire an analyst who is solely dedicated to understanding clock management and assist in that aspect of the game.

5. He needs to focus his efforts on what he is good at. Recruiting, facility upgrades, being a figurehead.

If he does not do the above, at best he is a 9-10 win coach in the ACC even with 85 5 stars on the roster. Dig deeper into his time at Oregon. In 3 of his 4 years, he managed two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season. He did that with his own, elite players. He did that at a time where the PAC 12 was at it's absolute worst in recent memory. USC was a **** show during his time there. Stanford was a **** show. Washingtown was down. The best competition was Utah and we saw what they did to Oregon twice last year, who had FAR SUPERIOR talent.

Mario lost 5 games in 4 years to opponents with sub .500 records while at Oregon. He was 7-7 against ranked opponents. He is NOT a good coach no matter how you look at it.

Look at how much better Oregon looks this year under Lanning versus how they looked last year under Mario. Lanning is getting way more out of that team compared to what Mario did. For example, Oregon has scored 40+ points in 8 straight games, has a bonafide top 10 offense and is a legitimate playoff contender. Mario managed to eclipse 40+ points 7 times in the 2021, 2020 and 2019 seasons combined! And in 2019 he had a generational QB in Justin Herbert.

Lanning, who is a defensive coach, has turned Oregon into a top offense in the country in year 1. How? Because he hired an OC who runs a more modern offense and gave him autonomy over the offense. And they are doing this with a QB they brought in, who was a bum before and have now resurrected into a likely Heisman finalist.

I mentioned this prior, when I read moronic posts about how it's not possible to turn a losing program around in 1 year, and showed just how many teams have accomplished that this year alone. TCU, USC and LSU are all top 8 teams in the country who all had losing records last year. Those results alone debunk that Mario needs years or his own players to have success. And if he does, he is a far worse coach than a lot of us already believed.

This off season will tell us everything we need to know about Mario and what his future will look like at UM. To me, it's really simple. I don't believe firing or moving on from a handful of current coaches is enough. I truly believe the entire staff needs to be gutted. Why? Becuase which truly, elite/great coordinators are okay with not choosing their own position coaches? As it is, it will be difficult IMO to bring in great coordinators after the **** show that has taken place this year, and the past 20 years of UM football, but you can't make it harder by not allowing those coordinators to bring in their own guys. He just made that mistake with this current staff. He cannot repeat it again.

Mario has a reputation of meddling to much in the coaching cirlces, so he needs to get the **** out of the way. Make sure he makes it clear that his coordinators will have full autonomy in every aspect of their side of the ball. If he is not able to do that, he will fail, it's that simple.

I am not absolving players of blame. There are plenty of guys who need to be told to seek shelter elsewhere and that is already in the works. I mentioned names prior who are already likely gone and that list continues to grow. 35-40 players from this current roster will be gone. So going into next season 80% of the roster will be Mario's own guys.

Lastly, this was where it should have been telling for any fan that was still on the fence regarding Gattis or just in general of the massive disconnect between this staff and the current players. Xavier Restrepo is the most respected and likeable young man on this roster. The young man is the hardest worker and shows the upmost respect to his teammates and coaches. I can say all of that unequivocally. When he flat out walked by and ignored Gattis on the sidelines yesterday, that was all you needed to see to know just how bad things really are inside that locker room.

Just support Miami basketball brother. You’re asking for a lot that’s a long shot from a egotistical man

 

[bobbo31]

What he did with Nix is nice. No doubt. But you are also downplaying what it takes for a QB to be successful. Offensive line play and receivers matter too. Nix is surrounded by talent. TVD is not.

Come on man. Oregon had considerable talent while he was the head coach. He couldn’t do any better than 3 to 4 losses a year with NFL superstars and I’m not saying that lightly Holland and Herbert are superstars. Thibideaux and Sewell aren’t far behind. He had a 500 record against ranked opponents and had 5 losses to sub 500 teams. What makes you think that the light was going to click this year?

 

[STG]

Just support Miami basketball brother. You’re asking for a lot that’s a long shot from a egotistical man

If I am being honest, I don't believe for one second Mario will gut this staff. I also don't believe he actually thinks his approach is wrong. And I don't believe Mario will get it right. That is my stance as of today.

You know why? Mario was at Bama from 13-16. Kiffin was brought on in 14 and also there until 16. Saban had his come to Jesus moment when he brough Kiffin in and allowed his offense at Bama to finally be modernized. So Mario witnessed first hand, when the greatest coach in CFB had his come to Jesus moment. Yet, after being a part of that change, Mario has decided to stay in the stone ages. If he wasn't able to see that even the greatest CFB coach had to make that kind of change, what should make me believe anything else will?

All I have now as a fan is hope. Hope that he does wake up and realize he needs to have that moment. I don't expect it, but I hope for it.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

4. He needs to hire an analyst who is solely dedicated to understanding clock management and assist in that aspect of the game.

Lots of great points here OP. #4 in particular is something that’s desperately necessary and is likely one we won’t see due to Pride/stubbornness.

I think in general, Mario is a coach who needs A LOT of analytical help. Another thing that we should be throwing money at (hopefully intelligently).

Also want to echo what you said about the basically whole staff needing to be gone.

One could easily see a “piecemeal” deconstruction over a period of years rather than the ***** that really needs to happen, whereby he lets go of only a couple guys . This would satisfy many of the rubes here (“Hey look he fired Gattis and Ponce, everything’s gonna be fine now!”), but would be inadequate to achieving our goals.

He needs to hit the reset button THIS YEAR.

 

[bobbo31]

I think too many of you forget that along with USC, Oregon is the only other super power in the west. They have unlimited Nike dollars, have top notch facilities and have had for years, uniform schemes that are a huge bonus and have a fertile recruiting base in Northern Cal, Oregon and Washington and the whole west to a lesser extent because of the lack of marquee programs out there.

Mario didn’t exactly turn things around out there. Oregon has been a top tier program going back to Belotti in the late 90’s, they were a top 5-10 consistently under Chip Kelly, and made it to the national title game against Auburn under Helfrich. Mario didn’t exactly do anything different or better than the names there before him.

 

[STG]

Lots of great points here OP. #4 in particular is something that’s desperately necessary and is likely one we won’t see due to Pride/stubbornness.

I think in general, Mario is a coach who needs A LOT of analytical help. Another thing that we should be throwing money at (hopefully intelligently).

Also want to echo what you said about the basically whole staff needing to be gone.

One could easily see a “piecemeal” deconstruction over a period of years rather than the ***** that really needs to happen, whereby he lets go of only a couple guys . This would satisfy many of the rubes here (“Hey look he fired Gattis and Ponce, everything’s gonna be fine now!”), but would be inadequate to achieving our goals.

He needs to hit the reset button THIS YEAR.

Bingo to the last statement! Piecemeal won't work. You can't try to blow **** up in year 3 of 4. At that point it is to late and you're effectively a dead man walking. This is the year to do it. It is still early enough. Correct your mistakes now. Don't be stubborn. But if he is, he will simply end up another failed HC hire at UM.

 

[dirtyred786]

It's nice? Lol. Nah, it's remarkable. Now what did Mario and Gattis do to Van Dyke?

How is the same core OL at UM this year infinitely worse under OL "gurus" in Mario and Mirabal? And look at the opposing defenses we have played this year to boot. Most of them are some of the worst in all of college football.

The OL is just as bad as they were last year. Actually we run the ball slightly better this year. Offensive guru Lashlee couldn't get these guys to run block either. Many of us complained and *****ed about Lashlee run game, but It wasn't his systems fault either. They just aren't good at run blocking. Players have to make plays. And maybe you should be thinking what the lack of receivers has done to TVD. Players make the plays. Answer this for me... Why is it players make so much more than coaches in the NFL???