Think We’ll Be Alright

The two point conversion was a great call. But why did it take a must have it situation to run that play? Why not let Toney run the wildcat throughtout the game? Because Mario is too conservative and doesn't allow creativity.

Not just the two pointer, but the Toney Td. It’s amazing what can happen when you design runs outside the tackles.

Now quit handcuffing our RB room and let them run somewhere else other than into traffic most of the time. Defenses just crash inside. Keep them honest and you can still have your caveman Mario ground and pound football. Runs inside will have increased effectiveness if you mix it up.
 
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Serious contenders have lost worse games and had great seasons.

And what you’re asserting is incorrect.

We are 5-1. We don’t need any help from anyone to bounce back. It’s on the staff and the players to get this fixed. This is not some helpless situation.

We’re much farther along than I thought we’d be before the season started.

I didn’t think the defense would be nearly this good.

Mesidor’s made a major jump. Wes doesn’t look lost anymore. He looks much stronger and is still quick and agile.

On O, I thought CJ Daniels was a depth piece yet he’s been exceptional.

Malachi Toney should still be in high school and already looks like one of the best receivers in the country.

Carson Beck is about what I expected him to be so far.
Friend...Miami now only controls winning its remaining games...

From one lens, win out and yes, that is a "great" season. Progress I guess.

In indisputable point in fact, our Canes have ceeded control of their ACCCG + playoff slot destiny to others. Others, not Hecht, will decide their fate. Jjst like they have for the past 25 years.
 
In indisputable point in fact, our Canes have ceeded control of their ACCCG + playoff slot destiny to others. Others, not Hecht, will decide their fate. Jjst like they have for the past 25 years.

As discussed, this part isn't true. Teams are dropping like flies. At 11-1 we're not only safely in, we're going to sneak up on a top-4 seed.
 
Friend...Miami now only controls winning its remaining games...

From one lens, win out and yes, that is a "great" season. Progress I guess.

In indisputable point in fact, our Canes have ceeded control of their ACCCG + playoff slot destiny to others. Others, not Hecht, will decide their fate. Jjst like they have for the past 25 years.

No one is disputing the bolded fact.

You’re being either dense or deliberately obtuse with the latter half of your point.

“Miami now only controls winning its remaining games.”

Correct. No one will keep them out of the playoff in that scenario. It’s unserious to think otherwise.

Whether or not you think Miami is a fraud again this year is a different matter and conflates the issue.
 
Not just the two pointer, but the Toney Td. It’s amazing what can happen when you design runs outside the tackles.

Now quit handcuffing our RB room and let them run somewhere else other than into traffic most of the time. Defenses just crash inside. Keep them honest and you can still have your caveman Mario ground and pound football. Runs inside will have increased effectiveness if you mix it up.
Exactly, we have the talent to be creative on offense. Design plays to their strengths and trust them to execute. Mario has to take the handcuffs off.
 
No one is disputing the bolded fact.

You’re being either dense or deliberately obtuse with the latter half of your point.

“Miami now only controls winning its remaining games.”

Correct. No one will keep them out of the playoff in that scenario. It’s unserious to think otherwise.

Whether or not you think Miami is a fraud again this year is a different matter and conflates the issue.
Correct. The only thing this loss does is give us no room for another loss. But we still control our destiny on a national scale.
 
No one is disputing the bolded fact.

You’re being either dense or deliberately obtuse with the latter half of your point.

“Miami now only controls winning its remaining games.”

Correct. No one will keep them out of the playoff in that scenario. It’s unserious to think otherwise.

Whether or not you think Miami is a fraud again this year is a different matter and conflates the issue.
 
What the fk does 20 years ago have to do with it?

Mario deserves critique of his regime but miss me with the 'cursed' bs...
 
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What the fk does 20 years ago have to do with it?

Mario deserves critique of his regime but miss me with the 'cursed' bs...
Clearly.
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This lost was a wake up call. This team is going to go on a bama like
Run after the FSU lost. 11-1 and we win the ACC get our revenge against Georgia tech. We will on pace to achieve the main goal.
 
I joined this board a while back but only sporadically browse and post on this site.

I came to the realization today that I post more here after debacles like last night. And it really was a disastrous performance. There is no polishing that terd.

However, to state the obvious, part of the reason why a loss like that stings so much (or for many fans, why numbness has set in) is because it’s been too many years of getting Lucy and Charlie Brown’d by this program.

If we want to try to be objective though (admittedly a bit of an incoherent and tall task as a fan), this group of players is not like the one on past squads.

What our eyeballs saw through much of the first half of the season was different.

This team is different. Last night’s loss has fucc all to do with past seasons.

It is not last year’s team. It is not the 2020 Manny Diaz team. It is not the 2017 Richt season. It is not the 2013 Al Golden canes. It is not the 2009 Randy Shannon team.

A fluke team does not beat the ****t out of and pound its biggest rivals into submission, it does not beat a talented, fundamentally sound and well coached Notre Dame, it does not completely embarrass a playoff bound USF (Golesh is bound for a big time program).

Truly, they were dominating performances and yet often, the box score didn’t reflect that. Limit the sloppiness, the penalties, the extreme conservative play at times, and how much more impressive would those victories have been? Even the game against USF that finished with a lopsided score got sloppy as **** in the third quarter.

I am unsure if the staff will fix things but I remain confident the team will be alright against ACC play if we stay healthy. There isn’t a coaching staff and team like Louisville’s on the remaining schedule.

Yesterday, our defense had its worst performance of the season by far and still played well. Adjustments were made. Critical stops were had. And they kept us in the game despite all of the turnovers.

This is the best defensive unit to come through this program in decades and will continue imposing itself against the weaker half of our schedule.


A few things caught up to us last night in our first dog fight of the season.


1) Penalties. We thoroughly outclassed our opponents in the other games to the point the penalties didn’t cost us. This issue has never been fixed and it finally bit us in the *** in a close game against a good team.

2) Our predictability on offense. Yes, the identity the program had forged this season is punching you in the mouth and running it right down your throat even if you knew what was coming. It has been great to see at times. Few better feelings in football than dominating the trenches. Against the noles, we opened it up more because as Dawson said, they mostly took away the run game (we still went into a shell in the 4th).

There is not enough variety in our run concepts and designs. We mix in a little creativity (like a screen with our OL stampeding down the field or the run TD by Toney) but we don’t mix it up enough.

We have the tanks to run it inside with fletcher and Brown, but we also have enough athleticism on offense to keep defenses honest by stretching the field more and running outside the tackles. Is it any wonder why an athletic RB like Lyle struggles in this offense?

3) It is hard to win football games against good teams. Louisville is solid. They may end up in the playoff. They’re talented and evidently, Brohm and his staff are a competent bunch. They outplayed and outschemed us. Our opponents studied us and tore apart our playstyle and gameplan. They were prepared and ran circles around our staff and players.

4)Carson was rattled and had a terrible game. But it’s lazy to pin it all on him, given what we know of his skillset. There were several factors taken together that gave us our first L.

Carson played pretty well prior to the game against Louisville. Our offensive staff have to maximize his strengths and paper over his obvious weaknesses with more variance and creativity.

Pressure was getting home on Beck in obvious passing downs. But we often put ourselves in less than ideal downs and distances due to self-inflicted reasons (penalties and repeatedly ineffective runs up the gut on early downs).

We didn’t adjust schematically to this reality.

Carson is a proven effective QB and a high IQ performer when either 1) he has time in the pocket and/or 2) the run game is effective.

This means we have to be more imaginative on offense. We are a talented and stout unit upfront. One game doesn’t change that but football is still a tactics and numbers game.

Unless you’re 2 and 3 deep with overwhelming talent then it’s not just about the Jimmies and the Joes. It’s also about the X’s and O’s (and even with elite talent all over the roster, the 2002-2005 Canes teams underscore the importance of coaching).

You have to be able to respect intelligent and talented opposition and make necessary adjustments.

We are not the Canes from when Mario was here as a player. We’re not so much more talented to think we can just always bully another team into submission when it’s a dog fight. The thing I don’t understand is Mario himself has said we’re not close to where we need to be yet talent wise, so why spite your nose and insist on playing like we are?

I sometimes wonder if Mario’s hubris with the team’s 5-0 run this season means micromanager Mario is back. Hope this loss humbled him, as I thought the bravado from him lately wasn’t earned yet given the totality of his coaching career at Miami ( if Dawson has actually been given completely free reign then he is a mediocre coordinator).

While I think we’ll be fine against the remaining schedule, the only way we’ll be a real threat among the top ranked teams this year is if what needs to be fixed gets fixed. And if not entirely fixed (any team has its weaknesses) then at least show you have a Plan B in tight games.

This team is on the precipice of being special. I give Mario credit for putting this team together. It’ll also be his and his staff’s responsibility if we underachieve this year.

TLDR just please make the necessary adjustments.

Please own your mistakes, not just in front
of the microphones, but also in the meeting rooms.

P.S. I ******* hate this conference.
Excellent post and I agree with you. As far as not being where we need to be talent wise, a large part of that is on Mario. I just don't think kids specifically WRs want to play in this offense because it's too risk averse.
 
Excellent post and I agree with you. As far as not being where we need to be talent wise, a large part of that is on Mario. I just don't think kids specifically WRs want to play in this offense because it's too risk averse.

Agreed. Although we can also acknowledge Miami’s been in the national conversation for two straight seasons. That has not happened in a long time.

I read another post here that perfectly summed up his most glaring weakness. A college football season is an evolving and dynamic animal. Smart opponents study your tape and find ways to nullify your strengths (look at how Brohm planned around Bain). It helps explain Mario’s second half struggles.

If he remains arrogantly unwilling to understand that, he will never accomplish anything of note at Miami.
 
This lost was a wake up call. This team is going to go on a bama like
Run after the FSU lost. 11-1 and we win the ACC get our revenge against Georgia tech. We will on pace to achieve the main goal.
How many wake-up calls does this program need over 20+ years?

You’d think Mario - King Cane himself - would understand this but he continues to lose games he shouldn’t, every single year.
 
How many wake-up calls does this program need over 20+ years?

You’d think Mario - King Cane himself - would understand this but he continues to lose games he shouldn’t, every single year.

This is the most complete team we’ve had in 20+ years though and don’t think it’s particularly close.
 
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How many wake-up calls does this program need over 20+ years?

You’d think Mario - King Cane himself - would understand this but he continues to lose games he shouldn’t, every single year.
We are fortunate to have Stanford next weekend. They are not good, despite their win against FSU last night. They will be missing several key players. I also have a feeling they may look lethargic against us as they have to travel to the East coast and may still have that hangover from that huge victory with a crazy ending.

I think we win this game fairly easily, but not point wise. I think Heatherman's defense dominates them, but they have 1-2 drives that results in points for them. Somehow, with just a few minutes left in the 4th qtr, we find ourselves up by only 10-14 points. What seems like it should be a 40 point blow-out is just a 2-possession game. Some might think this game was our wake up call, but in reality, we just beat a really bad team.
 
As an advocate of data and metrics, you know better than anyone that one example is an outlier.

There are far more examples over many, many years of this team doing quite the opposite.
He also forgets Cam put us in that hole that he had to then dig us out of which to his credit we did, but that team as a whole not as good as this one.
 
In the last 20 years has a loss ever been a wake up call?

This is the problem. These losses are never wake up calls but the inevitable outcome of flaws that exist. People have been saying the flaws we saw in Florida, Notre Dame, FSU are real issues and would come back to bite us. We were told the players were mad with how the FSU game ended. They had a bye and came out the worst we've seen them all year, both from a execution AND discipline perspective. That's a giant, giant, giant red flag.

I could live with a loss where the team was sleeping but otherwise are a solid team. This was not that. This was someone exposing what they've seen in the first half of the season and this has been happening for 20 years. I don't think it gets better from here. I think it gets worse. Very similar to last year.

Unlike last year they have the talent. They can fix this. But nothing I've seen would suggest they will.
 
This is the problem. These losses are never wake up calls but the inevitable outcome of flaws that exist. People have been saying the flaws we saw in Florida, Notre Dame, FSU are real issues and would come back to bite us. We were told the players were mad with how the FSU game ended. They had a bye and came out the worst we've seen them all year, both from a execution AND discipline perspective. That's a giant, giant, giant red flag.

I could live with a loss where the team was sleeping but otherwise are a solid team. This was not that. This was someone exposing what they've seen in the first half of the season and this has been happening for 20 years. I don't think it gets better from here. I think it gets worse. Very similar to last year.

Unlike last year they have the talent. They can fix this. But nothing I've seen would suggest they will.
Teams will for sure scheme us up now that we’ve been exposed and I expect zero adjustments from our staff because there is zero history of it.

But yeah glad we got a wake up call loss!!! I fully expect the above not to happen because it’s not like it’s happened at this same time almost every year since we’ve been in this conference
 
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