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How is it that 10-2 UNLV had to play @ 8-4 Boise State in the conference championship game?

Another ACC style tie breaker system?
 
SFbayCane said:
How is it that 10-2 UNLV had to play @ 8-4 Boise State in the conference championship game?

Another ACC style tie breaker system?
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Pretty much.

When these conferences got so big they had huge parts of the conference not playing common opponents, they also got so smart by eliminating divisions (because the Bill Connelly’s of the world said it made sense). So you have no reasonable way to subdivide teams, inviting a trainwreck.

It’s not just the ACC. The SEC somehow has a 1 loss team who’s only loss was to a team that wasn’t in contention for the tiebreaker and that team (TAMU) isn’t in the championship.

It’s all effed up.
 
SFbayCane said:
Just popping in to tell you guys that Boysee State winning the Mountain West conference championship game against UNLV is going to be used by the playoff committee to give notre dame a boost over Miami.

The domers beat Boysee State earlier this year.
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You are correct but it's insane to think with all the H2H and common opponents they would then say that ND beating a good G5 school is the reason they go in over us. Insane...but yes, that's what they will do. Anything to move the goalposts AGAIN
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Paging @TheOriginalCane. He did the research. Has a team ever, in the history of the playoff, ever lost a conference championship game and not dropped at least 1 spot in the following ranking?
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I did the research on the SEC championship game in the CFP era. There have been 11 games. In the very first SEC game of the CFP Era, the loser was #16 Missouri, who did not move. However, 2014 Big 10 CG loser Wisconsin dropped 5 spots. The 2014 Pac-12 CG loser Arizona dropped 3 spots. The 2014 ACC CG loser GaTech dropped 1 spot. The Big 12 did not have enough teams to have a championship game in 2014.

For the 10 years SINCE 2014, the SEC CG loser has dropped 1 spot or more EVERY YEAR. In 5 of those 10 years, the drop knocked the losing team OUT OF the playoffs, including in 2023 when previously #1 and undefeated Georgia was dropped 5 spots off of a 3-point loss, which prevented them from being in the playoffs, but allowed them to DESTROY the "unconquered" SemenHoles of F$U.

Might as well go ahead and do this:

Big 10
2014 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 5 SPOTS (13 to 18)
2015 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 1 SPOT AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 5)
2016 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 5 SPOTS (6 to 8)
2017 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 2 SPOTS AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 6)
2018 CG loser Northwestern DROPPED 1 SPOT (21 to 22)
2019 CG loser Wisconsin did not drop after losing to undefeated #1 Ohio Taint (8 to 8)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser Northwestern did not drop (14 to 14)
2021 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 2 SPOTS (13 to 15)
2022 CG loser Purdue was unranked at 8-4 and remained unranked
2023 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 1 SPOT (16 to 17)
2024 CG loser Penn State DROPPED 1 SPOT (3 to 4) after losing to undefeated #1 Oregon
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 8 OF 11 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP, 1 YEAR NR
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 2 TIMES


ACC
2014 CG loser GaTech DROPPED 1 SPOT (11 to 12)
2015 CG loser UNC did not drop after losing to undefeated #1 Clemson (10 to 10)
2016 CG loser VaTech GOES UP 1 SPOT (23 to 22) along with 4 other teams after Navy is waxed by Temple and drops 6 spots
2017 CG loser YOUR MIAMI HURRICANES...DROPPED 3 SPOTS (7 to 10)
2018 CG loser Pitt was unranked at 7-5 and remained unranked
2019 CG loser UVa DROPPED 1 SPOT (23 to 24)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG lo-who-who-ser Notre Dame DROPPED 2 SPOTS (2 to 4)
2021 CG loser Wake Forest DROPPED 1 SPOT (16 to 17)
2022 CG loser North Carolina DROPPED 3 OR MORE SPOTS (23 to unranked)
2023 CG loser Louisville DROPPED 1 SPOT (14 to 15)
2024 CG loser SMU DROPPED 2 SPOTS (8 to 10)
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 8 OF 11 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP, 1 YEAR NR
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES


Pac-12
2014 CG loser Arizona DROPPED 3 SPOTS (7 to 10)
2015 CG loser USC DROPPED 5 SPOTS (20 to 25)
2016 CG loser Colorado DROPPED 2 SPOTS (8 to 10)
2017 CG loser Stanford DROPPED 1 SPOT (12 to 13)
2018 CG loser Utah did not drop after losing by 7 (17 to 17)
2019 CG loser Utah DROPPED 6 SPOTS (5 to 11)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser USC DROPPED 4 SPOTS (13 to 17)
2021 CG loser Oregon DROPPED 4 SPOTS (10 to 14)
2022 CG loser USC DROPPED 6 SPOTS AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 10)
2023 CG loser Oregon DROPPED 3 SPOTS (5 to 8)
2024 - no CG
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 9 OF 10 YEARS, 1 YEAR OF NO DROP
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES


Big 12
2014 - no CG, HOWEVER, TCU fell 3 spots (3 to 6) out of Final 4 after winning, thus "penalized" for NO Big 12 CG (Baylor-TCU finished 5-6)
2015 - no CG, highest finisher TCU was #12
2016 - no CG, highest finisher Oklahoma was #7
2017 CG loser TCU DROPPED 4 SPOTS (11 to 15)
2018 CG loser Texas DROPPED 1 SPOT (14 to 15)
2019 CG loser Baylor did not drop after losing by 7 (7 to 7)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser Iowa State DROPPED 4 SPOTS (6 to 10)
2021 CG loser Oklahoma State DROPPED 4 SPOTS (5 to 9)
2022 CG loser TCU did not drop after losing by 3 in overtime to #10 K-State (3 to 3)
2023 CG loser Oklahoma State DROPPED 2 SPOTS (18 to 20)
2024 CG loser Iowa State DROPPED 2 SPOTS (16 to 18)
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 6 OF 8 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I did the research on the SEC championship game in the CFP era. There have been 11 games. In the very first SEC game of the CFP Era, the loser was #16 Missouri, who did not move. However, 2014 Big 10 CG loser Wisconsin dropped 5 spots. The 2014 Pac-12 CG loser Arizona dropped 3 spots. The 2014 ACC CG loser GaTech dropped 1 spot. The Big 12 did not have enough teams to have a championship game in 2014.

For the 10 years SINCE 2014, the SEC CG loser has dropped 1 spot or more EVERY YEAR. In 5 of those 10 years, the drop knocked the losing team OUT OF the playoffs, including in 2023 when previously #1 and undefeated Georgia was dropped 5 spots off of a 3-point loss, which prevented them from being in the playoffs, but allowed them to DESTROY the "unconquered" SemenHoles of F$U.

Might as well go ahead and do this:

Big 10
2014 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 5 SPOTS (13 to 18)
2015 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 1 SPOT AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 5)
2016 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 5 SPOTS (6 to 8)
2017 CG loser Wisconsin DROPPED 2 SPOTS AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 6)
2018 CG loser Northwestern DROPPED 1 SPOT (21 to 22)
2019 CG loser Wisconsin did not drop after losing to undefeated #1 Ohio Taint (8 to 8)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser Northwestern did not drop (14 to 14)
2021 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 2 SPOTS (13 to 15)
2022 CG loser Purdue was unranked at 8-4 and remained unranked
2023 CG loser Iowa DROPPED 1 SPOT (16 to 17)
2024 CG loser Penn State DROPPED 1 SPOT (3 to 4) after losing to undefeated #1 Oregon
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 8 OF 11 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP, 1 YEAR NR
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 2 TIMES


ACC
2014 CG loser GaTech DROPPED 1 SPOT (11 to 12)
2015 CG loser UNC did not drop after losing to undefeated #1 Clemson (10 to 10)
2016 CG loser VaTech GOES UP 1 SPOT (23 to 22) along with 4 other teams after Navy is waxed by Temple and drops 6 spots
2017 CG loser YOUR MIAMI HURRICANES...DROPPED 3 SPOTS (7 to 10)
2018 CG loser Pitt was unranked at 7-5 and remained unranked
2019 CG loser UVa DROPPED 1 SPOT (23 to 24)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG lo-who-who-ser Notre Dame DROPPED 2 SPOTS (2 to 4)
2021 CG loser Wake Forest DROPPED 1 SPOT (16 to 17)
2022 CG loser North Carolina DROPPED 3 OR MORE SPOTS (23 to unranked)
2023 CG loser Louisville DROPPED 1 SPOT (14 to 15)
2024 CG loser SMU DROPPED 2 SPOTS (8 to 10)
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 8 OF 11 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP, 1 YEAR NR
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES


Pac-12
2014 CG loser Arizona DROPPED 3 SPOTS (7 to 10)
2015 CG loser USC DROPPED 5 SPOTS (20 to 25)
2016 CG loser Colorado DROPPED 2 SPOTS (8 to 10)
2017 CG loser Stanford DROPPED 1 SPOT (12 to 13)
2018 CG loser Utah did not drop after losing by 7 (17 to 17)
2019 CG loser Utah DROPPED 6 SPOTS (5 to 11)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser USC DROPPED 4 SPOTS (13 to 17)
2021 CG loser Oregon DROPPED 4 SPOTS (10 to 14)
2022 CG loser USC DROPPED 6 SPOTS AND OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS (4 to 10)
2023 CG loser Oregon DROPPED 3 SPOTS (5 to 8)
2024 - no CG
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 9 OF 10 YEARS, 1 YEAR OF NO DROP
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES


Big 12
2014 - no CG, HOWEVER, TCU fell 3 spots (3 to 6) out of Final 4 after winning, thus "penalized" for NO Big 12 CG (Baylor-TCU finished 5-6)
2015 - no CG, highest finisher TCU was #12
2016 - no CG, highest finisher Oklahoma was #7
2017 CG loser TCU DROPPED 4 SPOTS (11 to 15)
2018 CG loser Texas DROPPED 1 SPOT (14 to 15)
2019 CG loser Baylor did not drop after losing by 7 (7 to 7)
2020 COVID YEAR - CG loser Iowa State DROPPED 4 SPOTS (6 to 10)
2021 CG loser Oklahoma State DROPPED 4 SPOTS (5 to 9)
2022 CG loser TCU did not drop after losing by 3 in overtime to #10 K-State (3 to 3)
2023 CG loser Oklahoma State DROPPED 2 SPOTS (18 to 20)
2024 CG loser Iowa State DROPPED 2 SPOTS (16 to 18)
---CG LOSER DROPPED 1 OR MORE SPOT 6 OF 8 YEARS, 2 YEARS OF NO DROP
---CG LOSER DROPPED OUT OF PLAYOFFS 0 TIMES
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Good stuff. So it’s about 85% of the time or more the CG loser drops at least 1 spot.
 
Fanduel odds to make the playoffs:

ND -172
Miami +410

Probably based of current BYU game.. If BYU continues to stay in the game, the line for both will keep getting worse.
 
Yoyo423 said:
The problem is 1 spot vs 2 spots.

1 spot is bad.
2 spots is good.
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I’m talking about BYU. We need them to drop if they lose. Apparently it happens almost 90% of the time. I’ve long maintained we need BYU to lose AND Bama to win. Keeps Bama above ND and drops BYU out.
 
Mikeiavelli said:
You are correct but it's insane to think with all the H2H and common opponents they would then say that ND beating a good G5 school is the reason they go in over us. Insane...but yes, that's what they will do. Anything to move the goalposts AGAIN
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Again, the counter talking point is that USF destroyed Boise State 34-7 and Miami destroyed USF 49-12 three weeks later.
 
Yoyo423 said:
Fanduel odds to make the playoffs:

ND -172
Miami +410

Probably based of current BYU game.. If BYU continues to stay in the game, the line for both will keep getting worse.
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Correct. It’s moving real time. If Texas Tech gets up a few scores it’ll go back close to where it was pregame. Our odds will be slightly better tho. I’d guess Miami is under +300 on DK if Tech wins. I haven’t seen a price in the 200s yet on DK at any point.
 
TallyCane said:
I’d agree but this committee values eye test and Oklahoma offense has been a tough watch and some of these advanced numbers favor ND over OU
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Correction. Committee values eye test with the Big 12 and ACC teams. SEC teams don’t have to worry about that.

Oklahoma beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa. Committee puts such a huge value on that there’s no way OU is out.
 
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