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MEGA There’s Still Hope for the ACCCG/CFB Playoffs Mega Merge Thread

OrangeBowlMagic said:
It's certainly more feasible than the committee dropping Alabama out of the playoff for losing a game they earned their way into, with that game being the Southeastern Conference Championship game.

None of this is probable, that's why we're +650 to make the playoff. But it's far likelier to have BYU out of the way, which would naturally move Miami up to 11, and then they can have the DIRECT debate about Miami vs ND with zero other discussion points than it is to have Alabama get the **** kicked out of them so badly that the committee removes the regular season ACC leader out of the playoff entirely to move in a team they've given virtually zero respect to the entire cycle.

If you want to root for Bama to lose 40-6, go right ahead. Good luck with that. I'll be over here hoping they win a close game, which is a **** of a lot more probable than them getting blown out of the building, and pray sanity prevails if Miami and ND are discussed as direct comparisons to one another, as they will be if ND stays at 10 and Miami moves up from 12.
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My man, I have respect for you. But you're wrong. Read Post # 4,220. The CFP has moved the SEC-CG LOSER out of the playoffs FOUR TIMES in the past 10 years. Three times, it was Georgia.

Just read my post. 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2023 seasons.

It's not a mirage. It has actually happened 40% of the time, that the SEC-CG loser FELL OUT of the playoffs.

Even if people's memories are faulty, these things actually occurred. And might very well happen again, no matter how stubbornly people try to dig their heels on Alabama's behalf.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You gave yourself away with this bull**** and FALSE paragraph.

From 2014 to 2023, the size of the CFP field was FOUR TEAMS. In 2024, it expanded to 12 teams.

Here are the years in which the loser of the SEC-CG actually FELL OUT of the playoff field (and I haven't even bothered to assemble the history on the Big 10, the ACC, the Pac 12, or the Big 12):

2017: SEC-CG loser Auburn 2-down-to-7
2018: SEC-CG loser Georgia 4-down-to-5
2019: SEC-CG loser Georgia 4-down-to-5
2023: SEC-CG loser Georgia 1-down-to-6

So now, would you like to reconsider your statement that the CFP has NEVER BEFORE pushed out a P4 CG loser who was in the playoff prior to the CG? Because facts are facts. For the SEC ALONE, it has happened 4 times in the past 10 years. I haven't even bothered to check the OTHER FOUR Power 5 conferences (up through the untimely death of the Pac 12).

FOUR TIMES. Four times, the loser of the SEC Championship Game has fallen out of the Top 4 just after losing the SEC-CG.

Any questions?
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I just get wrecked lol. This is a pasting I appreciate cause I definitely didn't hit the books like I should have.

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TheOriginalCane said:
The CFP has been doing rankings since 2014.

2014: SEC-CG loser Missouri 16-to-16 (after Wisconsin lost to Ohio Taint 59-0 in the Big 10-CG and plummeted below Mizzou)
2015: SEC-CG loser Florida 18-down-to-19
2016: SEC-CG loser Florida 15-down-to-17
2017: SEC-CG loser Auburn 2-down-to-7
2018: SEC-CG loser Georgia 4-down-to-5
2019: SEC-CG loser Georgia 4-down-to-5
2020: SEC-CG loser Florida 6-down-to-7
2021: SEC-CG loser Georgia 1-down-to-3
2022: SEC-CG loser LSU 14-down-to-17
2023: SEC-CG loser Georgia 1-down-to-6
2024: SEC-CG loser Texas (in OT) 2-down-to-3

I can do the same for the other P5/P4 conferences if anyone wants to belabor the point.
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It's 100% correct the sec champ loser would fall and bama was 100% out being ranked 10th with us next
But moving them to 9 was corrupt and basically assured they are in
 
ssvir said:
and out of those HALF how many were eliminated from the playoffs? Never happening unless Bama loses 70-7 or Simpson gets Joe Theisman'ed
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FOUR.

Read Post #4,220.

2017
2018
2019
2023

In each of those 4 years, the SEC-CG loser was ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS by the next CFP ranking.

It's bizarre how some people have such short memories, how they just make up things that they want to believe and be true, and how they try to IGNORE actual facts and history.

Out of that "half" (5 out of 10 games), FORTY PERCENT (2 out of 5) involved SEC-CG losers who BOTH dropped more than 2 spots AND fell out of the playoffs.

And out of the last 10 years, FORTY PERCENT (4 out of 10) involved SEC-CG losers who fell out of the playoffs.

40%. It's a real thing.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
FOUR.

Read Post #4,220.

2017
2018
2019
2023

In each of those 4 years, the SEC-CG loser was ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS by the next CFP ranking.

It's bizarre how some people have such short memories, how they just make up things that they want to believe and be true, and how they try to IGNORE actual facts and history.

Out of that "half" (5 out of 10 games), FORTY PERCENT (2 out of 5) involved SEC-CG losers who BOTH dropped more than 2 spots AND fell out of the playoffs.

And out of the last 10 years, FORTY PERCENT (4 out of 10) involved SEC-CG losers who fell out of the playoffs.

40%. It's a real thing.
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But the committee held a press conference last year and said no conference game losers would fall. Everyone swears they watched it lol
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
It's certainly more feasible than the committee dropping Alabama out of the playoff for losing a game they earned their way into, with that game being the Southeastern Conference Championship game.
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Earned their way into? Alabama was in a 4-way tie. They got in via tiebreakers.

Same way we got excluded from the ACC-CG, even though we are one of two ACC teams to win 10 or more games.

Mother****ing tiebreakers.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
My man, I have respect for you. But you're wrong. Read Post # 4,220. The CFP has moved the SEC-CG LOSER out of the playoffs FOUR TIMES in the past 10 years. Three times, it was Georgia.

Just read my post. 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2023 seasons.

It's not a mirage. It has actually happened 40% of the time, that the SEC-CG loser FELL OUT of the playoffs.

Even if people's memories are faulty, these things actually occurred. And might very well happen again, no matter how stubbornly people try to dig their heels on Alabama's behalf.
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All of those were in a 4-team playoff. There's far less wiggle room in that situation.

And this isn't the entire story, either.

In 2017, you're correct. They moved #2 Auburn out, to..........put 2 more SEC teams in! UGA went to 3 and Bama went to 4. OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO DROP THE SECCG LOSER OUT (to put 2 SEC teams in)

I think there's essentially no chance Bama drops out of this thing, but if you want to root for them to get drilled by 5 touchdowns, go nuts. I'll be over here hoping they win a close game and BYU gets smoked and the committee is forced to stare at ND #10 and Miami #11 for the entire day. I think they flip it in that situation.
 
2016: SEC-CG loser Florida DROPS TWO SPOTS, ON A 38-POINT LOSS
2017: SEC-CG loser Auburn DROPS FIVE SPOTS, OUT OF PLAYOFFS, ON A 21-POINT LOSS
2018: SEC-CG loser Georgia DROPS ONE SPOT, OUT OF PLAYOFFS, ON A 7-POINT LOSS
2019: SEC-CG loser Georgia DROPS ONE SPOT, OUT OF PLAYOFFS, ON A 27-POINT LOSS
2021: SEC-CG loser Georgia DROPS TWO SPOTS, ON A 17-POINT LOSS
2022: SEC-CG loser LSU DROPS THREE SPOTS, ON A 20-POINT LOSS
2023: SEC-CG loser Georgia DROPS FIVE SPOTS, OUT OF PLAYOFFS, ON A 3-POINT LOSS

For all the deniers, there have been 7 games in the past 10 years where the SEC-CG loser has (a) dropped 2 or more spots, (b) fallen out of the playoffs, or (c) BOTH.

The "margin of loss" is a lot smaller than the deniers would have you believe, particularly in 2023.

We don't need Alabama to lose by 70. We don't need Alabama to lose by 40.

A loss of 17 to 27 points seems to be the sweet spot.
 
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flips said:
As @OrangeBowlMagic has pointed out ranking Miami ahead of ND if we are back-to-back in the rankings on account of the h2h is precedented. If BYU loses and Bama wins, they would have to break that precedent, or as @MumbleRap suspects, keep BYU at 11. Perhaps I'm being to credulous but I think faced with such a scenario (Bama win, BYU loss) they will do the right thing and give us the last at large.
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It needs to be perfect storm, it needs to be Bama win AND BYU loss by double digits.

If BYU loses by 9 or less I predict the committee of losers to come out and say “quality loss”. They gave Miami a window, but that **** is so small.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
All of those were in a 4-team playoff. There's far less wiggle room in that situation.

And this isn't the entire story, either.

In 2017, you're correct. They moved #2 Auburn out, to..........put 2 more SEC teams in! UGA went to 3 and Bama went to 4. OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO DROP THE SECCG LOSER OUT (to put 2 SEC teams in)

I think there's essentially no chance Bama drops out of this thing, but if you want to root for them to get drilled by 5 touchdowns, go nuts. I'll be over here hoping they win a close game and BYU gets smoked and the committee is forced to stare at ND #10 and Miami #11 for the entire day. I think they flip it in that situation.
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Look, you were the guy yapping about how Alabama "earned their way into the championship game". I'm simply pointing out that "earning your way into the championship game" doesn't force the CFP to treat you with kid gloves.

YES, all of those were in a 4-team playoff...because there has only been ONE 12-team playoff. Don't talk to me (or Georgia) about "wiggle room" in 2023, when they were dropped five spots OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS on the back of a 3-point loss.

Nobody can control "the teams that are behind you" such as you cite in the 2017 example. It's funny that you IGNORE the fact that one of the two teams you cite for "putting more SEC teams in" was the very Georgia team that beat Auburn that year. Yes, winners move up JUST AS LOSERS MOVE DOWN. This isn't complicated. Alabama is merely the accidental beneficiary because Georgia BEAT Auburn that year.

Look, I just posted that most of the SEC-CG teams that get penalized have been penalized while losing by a score anywhere between 3 points and 27 points. In only one game out of seven did it involve your hyperbolic "5 touchdowns" nonsense.

Again, the point is not that A or B "absolutely will happen". I am simply rebutting all the bull**** artist "0%" or "100%" false statistics that ignore the fact that JUST FOR THE SEC, a "previously Top 4 team" has fallen out of the playoffs FOUR times in 10 years. Unlikely or not, that's NOT NOTHING. For you or anyone else to act like this NEVER HAPPENS is simply not true.

I don't know what will happen on Saturday. All I know is that the PERCENTAGE of times that an SEC-CG loser has fallen out of the playoffs is HIGHER than all the crazy percentages that Miami once needed to make the ACC-CG or the CFP field of 12.

So you'll forgive me if I root for BYU to lose and Alabama to lose by 17-27 points, which should be enough to knock them down two spots and out of the playoffs (historically and factually speaking).
 
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