MEGA There’s Still Hope for the ACCCG/CFB Playoffs Mega Merge Thread

[TheOriginalCane]

In regard to Utah being ahead of Miami, Yurachek said, “Utah lost two games this season, one to No. 5 Texas Tech, the other to No. 11 BYU. Comparingly Miami lost two games, one at home to unranked Louisville and one on the road to an unranked SMU. So two teams that are 8-2 and no common opponent or head to head matchup, you look at the losses Utah has compared to the losses Miami has. And Utah right now is second in the country in their margin of victory in each of their games. They have played really good football moving forward. There’s a 12 vs. 13, one spot apart, but the differentiator is the losses Utah has vs. the losses Miami has.”

Proof positive that they are valuing LOSSES more than WINS. Who has Utah beaten? Ooooh, #25 Arizona State. Not quite as comparable as beating #9 Notre Dame, BUT **** ALL THE QUALITY WINS, they just want to fixate on quality LOSSES.

Bull****...

The Utah AD fix is in.

 

[scrantoncane]

But then usc jumps ahead!
Which they will 100%

The argument is that USC’s resume is not good enough to jump us (combined with not having to have the Miami-ND debate, and making USC the scapegoat that gets left out).

USC would have wins vs an Oregon team that might get dinged (bc its best win was at PSU at Iowa on a last second win), at Nebraska where Raiola broke his leg, and Michigan.

Losses at Illinois and ND (who we played and beat, common opponent).

I’m not yet at the point where I’m rooting for this, but there is a path there. As of now, Oregon is DEF ahead of us if they win. If USC wins, are BOTH ahead of us? If the answer is no, then we root for USC and hope the committee throws us a bone.

 

[DREW!]

Seems like the ground swell is growing behind our case. If any conference is going to hate ND skating through on an independent schedule it’d be the SEC. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked if Sankey comes out not necessarily name supporting us but supporting our cause indirectly before the season ends. Bama has played UGA, Vandy, Tennessee, Missouri, and Oklahoma. Winning 4/5 of those. Yet ND has one ranked win and is ahead of Bama? It makes absolutely no sense.

Correct, the Bama noise is heating up too..

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The Eliminated part under C was my confusion, I ran a few different ACC predictors, and they all had Miami as the tie breaker, so I figured, it went to tie breaker E, The ACC site doesn't seem to have clear language on it.

I am going to assume you are correct, and I apologize for posting you were wrong. Appreciate the response back.

All good, sir.

It would be nice if the tiebreakers had "examples", like what you get in the Internal Revenue Code (yes, I'm a tax lawyer)....

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You'll never make a name for yourself. Unless that name is "****head".

 

[Cribby]

I have news for people , coaches don’t cast the votes for the coaches poll , their SID’s do or low level assistant . So you can bet your sweet *** these old ***** know nothing of what they’re doing . I’d bet everything I own they’re getting info from somebody else and just repeating it on tv. There’s far more qualified people for this. That’s why I say bring back the computers since there’s far less bs and biases. Use SOS, point differential , game control and other metiecs then let the computer decide. It’s not perfect but humans are awful at this.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Can someone post the ACC picture for Miami to back in

Simplified for both CFP and ACC-CG

We should be ranked #14 in the CFP this week, jumping Texas. Maybe #13 if we jump Utah (we both beat 5-5 teams, Miami by a bigger margin).


Miami wins out.


Week 13 - Next week:
--Cincy to beat BYU - CFP
--Mizzou to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Syracuse to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--K-State to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
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--Louisville to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--UNC to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)
--Pitt to beat GaTech - ACC-CG


Week 14 - Final week:
--TN to beat Vandy - CFP
--LSU to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Stanford to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--Kansas to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
--Auburn to beat Alabama - CFP
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--VaTech to beat UVa - ACC-CG
--Cal to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--Wake to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)


For ACC purposes, the above outcomes would leave 4 teams tied with 6-2 ACC records, GaTech, UVa, Pitt, and Miami.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So who are we rooting for this weekend? Can someone give us a guide? Also, style points matter, we need to beat VT by 30.

Simplified for both CFP and ACC-CG

We should be ranked #14 in the CFP this week, jumping Texas. Maybe #13 if we jump Utah (we both beat 5-5 teams, Miami by a bigger margin).


Miami wins out.


Week 13 - Next week:
--Cincy to beat BYU - CFP
--Mizzou to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Syracuse to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--K-State to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
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--Louisville to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--UNC to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)
--Pitt to beat GaTech - ACC-CG


Week 14 - Final week:
--TN to beat Vandy - CFP
--LSU to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Stanford to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--Kansas to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
--Auburn to beat Alabama - CFP
----------
--VaTech to beat UVa - ACC-CG
--Cal to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--Wake to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)


For ACC purposes, the above outcomes would leave 4 teams tied with 6-2 ACC records, GaTech, UVa, Pitt, and Miami.

 

[cookies]

I believe they have to excuse themselves from that deliberation. IIRC. Just keep stacking Ws and I think we’d jump them.

My concern apart from Utah is Alabama, BYU and ND. I don’t really expect two XII teams in the playoffs; but there are some awkward scenarios floating around.

The possibilities linger in my mind if we would be ranked above: 10-2 Oregon, 10-2 USC, 10-2 UGA, 10-2 Michigan, 11-2 TT, 10-2 Ole Miss etc. but everything is too interdependent to call it at this point.

If Kirby Smart and UGA lost to GT & beat Texas, or beat GT then lost to Texas in the $EC conference championship game; I think there would have been two completely different set of arguments; with the latter giving ‘Bama, and the former giving us, a fighting chance to be in the playoffs.

UGA still might’ve survived in each scenario tbh.

 

[DREW!]

 

[cookies]

I’d really like for the ACC to never do this OOC game counted game despite it being an ACC game ever again lol. UVA having 2 losses already would make things less bleak for us. Additionally, I’m unsure how NC State fits into the tiebreakers with any type of real fairness.

Although, with South Carolina backing out of our home & home; it looks like we may need to employ the same tactic to fill our schedule the next two years.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I don’t . I think we’re the baby face now and have momentum on the field and off with media. Just win and hope for one loss in front of us

Would be nice if the standing in the media translated to the AP vote. Which appears to be the CFP "starting point" until the Utah chairman and the Notre Dame love kick in.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I’d really like for the ACC to never do this OOC game counted game despite it being an ACC game ever again lol. UVA having 2 losses already would make things less bleak for us. Additionally, I’m unsure how NC State fits into the tiebreakers with any type of real fairness.

Although, with South Carolina backing out of our home & home; it looks like we may need to employ the same tactic to fill our schedule the next two years.

A 4-way tie between UM, GT, UVa, and Pitt would be amazing, because we have ALL played NC State (UVa's game was "out of conference").

Still, NC State would be a "common opponent" though, and would cause UM and Pitt to have a rematch one week later in the ACC-CG.

 

[The U is back to work]

Simplified for both CFP and ACC-CG

We should be ranked #14 in the CFP this week, jumping Texas. Maybe #13 if we jump Utah (we both beat 5-5 teams, Miami by a bigger margin).


Miami wins out.


Week 13 - Next week:
--Cincy to beat BYU - CFP
--Mizzou to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Syracuse to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--K-State to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
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--Louisville to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--UNC to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)
--Pitt to beat GaTech - ACC-CG


Week 14 - Final week:
--TN to beat Vandy - CFP
--LSU to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Stanford to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--Kansas to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
--Auburn to beat Alabama - CFP
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--VaTech to beat UVa - ACC-CG
--Cal to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--Wake to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)


For ACC purposes, the above outcomes would leave 4 teams tied with 6-2 ACC records, GaTech, UVa, Pitt, and Miami.

Thank you

 

[Juanka]

Simplified for both CFP and ACC-CG

We should be ranked #14 in the CFP this week, jumping Texas. Maybe #13 if we jump Utah (we both beat 5-5 teams, Miami by a bigger margin).


Miami wins out.


Week 13 - Next week:
--Cincy to beat BYU - CFP
--Mizzou to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Syracuse to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--K-State to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
----------
--Louisville to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--UNC to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)
--Pitt to beat GaTech - ACC-CG


Week 14 - Final week:
--TN to beat Vandy - CFP
--LSU to beat OK - CFP (only need 1 OK loss)
--Stanford to beat ND - CFP (only need 1 ND loss)
--Kansas to beat Utah - CFP (only need 1 Utah loss)
--Auburn to beat Alabama - CFP
----------
--VaTech to beat UVa - ACC-CG
--Cal to beat SMU - ACC-CG (need 2 SMU losses)
--Wake to beat Duke - ACC-CG (only need 1 Duke loss)


For ACC purposes, the above outcomes would leave 4 teams tied with 6-2 ACC records, GaTech, UVa, Pitt, and Miami.

Is the article wrong?

ACC Championship Game Scenarios Entering Week 13: Does Miami Have a Chance?

Several teams remain in the mix, but only Georgia Tech totally controls its fate.

www.si.com

It saying SMU only needs to lose once.

Edit -never mind, I misread.

 

[Mikeiavelli]

How can Ohio State be #1? They don't have any good losses.

 

[cookies]

I don’t believe Army is anything other than what they are; however, them and Kansas State both have 5 wins while Army won the H2H. Kansas State is 4-3 in the XII.

Two of ND’s opponents, Army + NC State, could all be “bowl,” teams two weeks from now. Along with Navy & Boise State qualifying from non-p4 schools. You can only play who’s in front of you. ND cannot control Brohm leaving Purdue for UL; & Purdue being bad.

Ashton Jeanty wasn’t a highly touted recruit. Boise State lost by 3 to Oregon then went 12-1; the following year, they are still a bowl team yet they aren’t anywhere near as good. How is that ND’s fault?

I write this as someone who believes Miami should be above both of them. Common opponents and H2H should be the most valuable tool; and for the committee, it often is i.e. (Texas>OU last week; USC > UMich back2back weeks; Texas > UMich this week bcuz OU beat UMich)

The lack of a consistent principle with an order of operations to be applied is why we end up with this arbitrariness of preseason hype mixed with populist perceptions predetermining the final outcomes.

Why does Mizzou deserve to be ranked over UWash? Why should 0 wins against bowl eligible p4 teams, Tennessee, be ahead of SMU? Or Illinois over ASU, Houston and Louisville?

Ultimately, the holistic picture favors ND to Alabama.

 

[cookies]

How can Ohio State be #1? They don't have any good losses.

Beat a #1 Texas.

 

[cookies]

im having trouble identifying whether Oregon or IU had the easier OOC schedule this year.

 

[YLCANE]

Disagree

You can disagree but i am pretty **** confident if USC wins At Oregon
Blue blood USC will climb right into 10 spot and extend that gap from ND to us.

USC is only a rung down from ND in the pantheon of college football