MEGA There’s Still Hope for the ACCCG/CFB Playoffs Mega Merge Thread

[YLCANE]

Disagree

You can disagree but i am pretty **** confident if USC wins At Oregon
Blue blood USC will climb right into 10 spot and extend that gap from ND to us.

USC is only a rung down from ND in the pantheon of college football

 

[YLCANE]

The two things are related. Poor coaching (i.e., too slow, too few possessions) allows bad ref calls to have a disproportionate impact on the outcome.

Very true statement
Someone needs a rock to hit our meathead caveman over the head and explain basic math and probability

He doesn’t understand it all

 

[cookies]

Ban polygamy?

Lmfaoooooooo

“My friend, take an old man's advice, and don't encumber yourself with a large family--mind, I tell you, don't do it. In a small family, and in a small family only, you will find that comfort and that peace of mind which are the best at last of the blessings this world is able to afford us, and for the lack of which no accumulation of wealth, and no acquisition of fame, power, and greatness can ever compensate us. Take my word for it, ten or eleven wives is all you need--never go over it." — Mark Twain

 

[YLCANE]

I have news for people , coaches don’t cast the votes for the coaches poll , their SID’s do or low level assistant . So you can bet your sweet *** these old ***** know nothing of what they’re doing . I’d bet everything I own they’re getting info from somebody else and just repeating it on tv. There’s far more qualified people for this. That’s why I say bring back the computers since there’s far less bs and biases. Use SOS, point differential , game control and other metiecs then let the computer decide. It’s not perfect but humans are awful at this.

When I was an intern in early 1990s I used to help a well known Sports journalist submit weekly rankings for AP poll

There are biases galore and dumbasses not taking it as serious as needed for sure!!!

 

[JHallCanes]

At least when you get to 16+
You are dealing with 3 loss teams and if you lose 3 you have zero argument in my book

24 is even better
I want it EARNED not given and when you have less teams invited in this era of total parity
It reverts back to blue blood and pedigree taking the vast majority of spots, credentials be damned!!!!

Yeah I can see the idea between any scenario really. Though you get to that many teams you might have to change the regular season games. It’s just a lot of games IF they actually care about safety and the traveling aspects of these guys like they say

 

[aelmiami]

My concern apart from Utah is Alabama, BYU and ND. I don’t really expect two XII teams in the playoffs; but there are some awkward scenarios floating around.

The possibilities linger in my mind if we would be ranked above: 10-2 Oregon, 10-2 USC, 10-2 UGA, 10-2 Michigan, 11-2 TT, 10-2 Ole Miss etc. but everything is too interdependent to call it at this point.

If Kirby Smart and UGA lost to GT & beat Texas, or beat GT then lost to Texas in the $EC conference championship game; I think there would have been two completely different set of arguments; with the latter giving ‘Bama, and the former giving us, a fighting chance to be in the playoffs.

UGA still might’ve survived in each scenario tbh.

BYU basically has to win their conference to make it imo. Even total utter chaos happens a loss would kill them vs TT.

The Bama thing is what I keep going back to. Does the committee punish Bama if they lose the SECCG? Say to UGA and it happens convincingly. Does the committee punish UGA if they make it and lose to GT and whoever they play?

This is where ND and their schedule becomes problematic. Losses to two CFP level teams. One win vs a CFP level team. We share an insane amount of opponents with them. If the results are similar and we have the H2H, how can you justify them in over us?

But the bigger issue and why I think the SEC might go nuclear on ND. Why should Bama be punished in favor of us or ND? If say things shake out to where we are #11. Bama is #10 and ND is #9. Bama loses to someone in the SECCG. Does Bama drop below us? The committee would essentially be rewarding us and ND for not playing in a conference title game. If they don’t, they have to make a decision, does H2H weigh more than who you lost to. The SEC would have to stake a case for either who you did beat matter or who beat you for Bama. I’d imagine they’d pick who you beat. Which benefits us. They’d tout Bama beating UGA, Vandy, Mizzou, Tennessee over losses because then it opens up the FSU conversation. The minute Bama touts wins it benefits us. Indirectly.

But idk. I’m so far down this CFP rabbit hole rn I’m confusing myself.

 

[cookies]

A 4-way tie between UM, GT, UVa, and Pitt would be amazing, because we have ALL played NC State (UVa's game was "out of conference").

Still, NC State would be a "common opponent" though, and would cause UM and Pitt to have a rematch one week later in the ACC-CG.

Okay thank you so this is the best case scenario. If SMU wins out, and there is still a 4 way tie for 2nd; do you know if us or Pitt would advance in that scenario?

 

[YLCANE]

Yeah I can see the idea between any scenario really. Though you get to that many teams you might have to change the regular season games. It’s just a lot of games IF they actually care about safety and the traveling aspects of these guys like they say

Nobody cares about safety
That red herring is looooonnngggg gone
It’s $$$$ driving it
At least w more teams in you don’t have the blue blood bias keep good teams out
And
You make those ******* blue bloods EARN their keep!

 

[Angry Ibis]

Nobody hates Miami more than Miami fans. You know this.

Our Administration says hold my beer.

 

[YLCANE]

The argument is that USC’s resume is not good enough to jump us (combined with not having to have the Miami-ND debate, and making USC the scapegoat that gets left out).

USC would have wins vs an Oregon team that might get dinged (bc its best win was at PSU at Iowa on a last second win), at Nebraska where Raiola broke his leg, and Michigan.

Losses at Illinois and ND (who we played and beat, common opponent).

I’m not yet at the point where I’m rooting for this, but there is a path there. As of now, Oregon is DEF ahead of us if they win. If USC wins, are BOTH ahead of us? If the answer is no, then we root for USC and hope the committee throws us a bone.

I don’t see it
If USC beats Oregon
They stick USC at 10
Move ND up to 8
And likely drop Oregon right into front of Miami to ensure ND and Miami aren’t compared

USC is getting in w win 100%
They are blue blood and in B10

Same argument they use w ND they will with USC, they won all their games and had “good losses v ND and ranked Illinois on road lost by 2”

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Is the article wrong?

ACC Championship Game Scenarios Entering Week 13: Does Miami Have a Chance?

Several teams remain in the mix, but only Georgia Tech totally controls its fate.

www.si.com

It saying SMU only needs to lose once.

Edit -never mind, I misread.

All good.

The whole thing is so weird. A 2-team tie is pretty straightforward. But a multi-team tie gets confusing as to who gets the upper hand. It's almost like there is a sweetspot, because it becomes really hard to find common opponents if you have 5 or 6 teams tied.

Although there is an evil part of me that hopes we get down to the Commissioner having to pick teams...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Very true statement
Someone needs a rock to hit our meathead caveman over the head and explain basic math and probability

He doesn’t understand it all

I actually brought this up to a group of people recently.

MATH. It's not about "opinions" (like "we should run the ball more" or "we should pass the ball more").

It's facts. It's logic. If you have fewer plays and possessions each game, then each turnover, each penalty, each bad ref call...has a disproportionate impact on the game.

We have to stop letting inferior teams hang around and gain confidence by the 4th quarter, because that is EXACTLY when Carson Beck will throw an untimely INT, Markel Bell will get a false start, or an anonymous ACC ref will **** us up the ******...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Okay thank you so this is the best case scenario. If SMU wins out, and there is still a 4 way tie for 2nd; do you know if us or Pitt would advance in that scenario?

I think I answered this yesterday, and Miami would be OUT.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Our Administration says hold my beer.

4 years ago I’d have agreed with you. That’s no longer the case.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Our Administration says hold my beer.

No longer a valid statement.

President Joe is heavily invested in UM sports success.

We can argue about Rad forever, and he should be retiring soon.

But there is no argument when it comes to our University President.

 

[scrantoncane]

I don’t see it
If USC beats Oregon
They stick USC at 10
Move ND up to 8
And likely drop Oregon right into front of Miami to ensure ND and Miami aren’t compared

USC is getting in w win 100%
They are blue blood and in B10

Same argument they use w ND they will with USC, they won all their games and had “good losses v ND and ranked Illinois on road lost by 2”

USC is no more of a blue blood than Miami is. They are a private school in the southwest, where no one gives a **** about cfb. They are the perfect team to ***** over.

 

[YLCANE]

I actually brought this up to a group of people recently.

MATH. It's not about "opinions" (like "we should run the ball more" or "we should pass the ball more").

It's facts. It's logic. If you have fewer plays and possessions each game, then each turnover, each penalty, each bad ref call...has a disproportionate impact on the game.

We have to stop letting inferior teams hang around and gain confidence by the 4th quarter, because that is EXACTLY when Carson Beck will throw an untimely INT, Markel Bell will get a false start, or an anonymous ACC ref will **** us up the ******...

So who will be the lucky one to sit Meathead down in front of a f ing chalkboard and ram this common sense into his thick skull????

It needs to be done
As meathead needs to advance past Neanderthal thinking

 

[Angry Ibis]

4 years ago I’d have agreed with you. That’s no longer the case.

We’ll need to see it long term…

“Only invested in Mario” and hiring JD says otherwise. And of course Radtirement.

 

[YLCANE]

USC is no more of a blue blood than Miami is. They are a private school in the southwest, where no one gives a **** about cfb. They are the perfect team to ***** over.

Lmao
Bud, you need a history lesson in college football if you think that

 

[YLCANE]

Lmao
Bud, you need a history lesson in college football if you think that

Their football history doesn’t start w Pete Carroll and Reggie bush

We are talking John McKay and classic games w ND……Miami is an annoying pimple that most college historians coaches and media DISLIKE

Whereas USC is revered!!!!

There is a HUGE difference between the two