Theory about ACL Injuries for Richt's teams

I knew it was only a matter of time for the Rippetoe clergy came around. Building a collegiate football strength and conditioning program around powerlifting is a terrible idea. I'm not against deadlifting nor posterior chain development in the slightest, and it is a great tool particularly in the strength phase, but low bar squatting is not the "proper" way for an athlete to squat. It's one way, sure. But sport-specificity and neuromuscular recruitment efficiency trumps absolute load. Always.

That post has nothing to do with Rippetoe. If a CFB player is doing a Rippetoe or any similar LP routine you have a problem. Not because it is a bad routine for football, but because it is for absolute beginners. Rippetoe, Greyskull, or any of the other LPs are hands down the best routines for a 8th grader, freshman in HS, etc. who is just starting to workout. No a football player shouldn't ONLY low bar squat, but every NFL team incorporates high and low bar squats into their SC routine.
 
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I actually am a S&C guru. I have a BS in Exercise Science, and did my Master's in ExPhys with a concentration in Strength and Conditioning here at UM - we have one of the best strength and conditioning education programs in the country: https://sites.education.miami.edu/e...-conditioningfitness-entrepreneurship-m-s-ed/

Heavy squats and Olympic lifts in season is correct.

If you're curious, you should look up what's called Periodization. This is the concept of creating a long-term strength and conditioning program for athletes - in this case, collegiate athletes. Every coach worth their weight knows this concept and this is practiced across all levels of all sports now by coaches who know what they're doing (this is something Swasey never did).

You find when the season starts and work your way backwards to when first workouts are. You can then parse the block of time you have into mesocycles and then further down into weekly and individual workouts with a few defining goals, characteristic of each block.

In the beginning, 4-6 weeks of training should be spent on learning technique, unilateral exercises and different loading schemes to activate core musculature and establish a neuromuscular "base" for training, with general metabolic conditioning at the end.

After that, the next block of training should focus on hypertrophy, with distinctly hire volume in this phase to promote muscle growth and improve conditioning.

After that, with these bases created, the focus is on strength, where the intensity (percentage of 1RM) goes up significantly (85%+) with lower reps to make the athletes stronger.

The last phase should focus on power and sport specificity, which is strength with a time component. The best way for us to load this concept is with Olympic lifting, which should have been gradually getting heavier and heavier throughout the season, from learning technique to now, where the athlete should now be capable of lifting extremely heavy loads explosively with good form. This should make sense: Now that we are in season, we should be at our most explosive, with a base of technique, conditioning, and strength - we want the athlete to be the most powerful and explosive at the start of the season and to maintain that power as best we can through the season.

ACL injuries are unrelated to heavy Olympic lifting if proper periodization has been implemented throughout the workout regimen.

However, non-contact ACL tears are on the strength coach and there should be a heavy emphasis during training on hamstring work, particularly knee-flexion biomechanics (hitting the hamstring through knee-flexion like leg curls as opposed to high hamstring work through RDLs). This squat and Olympic lifting work can create a huge imbalance where the quads are overdeveloped, so proper caution should made to make sure the hamstrings and posterior chain are getting enough work.

Really helpful info. Thanks man.
 
I actually am a S&C guru. I have a BS in Exercise Science, and did my Master's in ExPhys with a concentration in Strength and Conditioning here at UM - we have one of the best strength and conditioning education programs in the country: https://sites.education.miami.edu/e...-conditioningfitness-entrepreneurship-m-s-ed/

Heavy squats and Olympic lifts in season is correct.

If you're curious, you should look up what's called Periodization. This is the concept of creating a long-term strength and conditioning program for athletes - in this case, collegiate athletes. Every coach worth their weight knows this concept and this is practiced across all levels of all sports now by coaches who know what they're doing (this is something Swasey never did).

You find when the season starts and work your way backwards to when first workouts are. You can then parse the block of time you have into mesocycles and then further down into weekly and individual workouts with a few defining goals, characteristic of each block.

In the beginning, 4-6 weeks of training should be spent on learning technique, unilateral exercises and different loading schemes to activate core musculature and establish a neuromuscular "base" for training, with general metabolic conditioning at the end.

After that, the next block of training should focus on hypertrophy, with distinctly hire volume in this phase to promote muscle growth and improve conditioning.

After that, with these bases created, the focus is on strength, where the intensity (percentage of 1RM) goes up significantly (85%+) with lower reps to make the athletes stronger.

The last phase should focus on power and sport specificity, which is strength with a time component. The best way for us to load this concept is with Olympic lifting, which should have been gradually getting heavier and heavier throughout the season, from learning technique to now, where the athlete should now be capable of lifting extremely heavy loads explosively with good form. This should make sense: Now that we are in season, we should be at our most explosive, with a base of technique, conditioning, and strength - we want the athlete to be the most powerful and explosive at the start of the season and to maintain that power as best we can through the season.

ACL injuries are unrelated to heavy Olympic lifting if proper periodization has been implemented throughout the workout regimen.

However, non-contact ACL tears are on the strength coach and there should be a heavy emphasis during training on hamstring work, particularly knee-flexion biomechanics (hitting the hamstring through knee-flexion like leg curls as opposed to high hamstring work through RDLs). This squat and Olympic lifting work can create a huge imbalance where the quads are overdeveloped, so proper caution should made to make sure the hamstrings and posterior chain are getting enough work.

Lot of people in here don't know ****, but this is right on. I compete in strength sports, and I work with people that do programming for high level athletics. The goal in-season is maintenance, and research shows that 2x a week is basically the minimum for allowing people to hold onto muscle, especially with the amount of work athletes are doing.

I'm not a super big fan of standard hamstring curl work, just due to the way that it can stress the knee depending on foot placement. Athletes should be doing my GHR work which allows the hamstring to work in conjunction with other posterior chain muscles, and if you want to do hamstring curls do them with bands slowly for sets of 15 or so. I'd also throw in some band squats specifically to fatigue quad muscles and work on movement patterns through fatigue.
 
I know this has been talked about a little on the board re: the frequency of ACL injuries for Richt's teams.

Richt: Numerous ACL injuries a fluke

So I was talking to a buddy of mine who works with the team and he mentioned that they do heavy squats and Olympic lifts on both Tuesdays and Thursdays IN SEASON.

Look, I'm no S&C guru and I'll take a back seat to those who know more than I do... but isn't that a little much to be squatting so often in season? That seems a lot even for the offseason. Do muscles have enough time to recover before game day? Even an idiot knows that strong muscles are what keep joints stable and aligned... if they're compromised on game day, could those fatigued muscles from our 'in season' S&C program (that came from Georgia) be a significant catalyst for potential injuries?

What do you guys think?

Appreciate the Wednesday laugh at the office. Truly appreciate it.
 
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There's some truth to this. Poliquin is also big on VMO strengthening and I do it with my athletes as well.

The last 20 degrees or so of extension at the knee, the tibia actually articulates on the femur and rotates in, "locking" it in place. The VMO aids in this process. So having a strong VMO can aid in stability of the knee joint and should be trained accordingly.


Slightly out of the scope on this topic, but isn't there some newer research showing that targeting the VMO is pointless because the VMO and the lateralis share neural drive, and it's better off targeting the quad as a whole?

Motor Neuron Pools of Synergistic Thigh Muscles Share Most of Their Synaptic Input. - PubMed - NCBI
 
Slightly out of the scope on this topic, but isn't there some newer research showing that targeting the VMO is pointless because the VMO and the lateralis share neural drive, and it's better off targeting the quad as a whole?

Motor Neuron Pools of Synergistic Thigh Muscles Share Most of Their Synaptic Input. - PubMed - NCBI
I see the point however it doesn’t explain when physical therapist and trainers see the recurrenc of weak vmo’s in athletes that squat huge numbers. May have something to do with the vmo max activation at 10-15.
Maybe Susan miller is on to something with the bikes. Have you seen the vmo’s on the pro cyclist??!!
Maybe that’s why lebron has never torn anything. He’s always on the bike! 😂
 
VMO hypertrophy is just a massive pain in the *** more than anything, and isn't related to squatting large numbers.
 
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That post has nothing to do with Rippetoe. If a CFB player is doing a Rippetoe or any similar LP routine you have a problem. Not because it is a bad routine for football, but because it is for absolute beginners. Rippetoe, Greyskull, or any of the other LPs are hands down the best routines for a 8th grader, freshman in HS, etc. who is just starting to workout. No a football player shouldn't ONLY low bar squat, but every NFL team incorporates high and low bar squats into their SC routine.

If you're gonna say **** like this I'll call you out. I know for a fact the Colt's don't, because I actually go to conferences and hear what they do first hand.

You low bar guys don't understand that there is a difference between training to lift lots of weight and training for performance. We use resistance training to make our guys better at their sport; we don't make how much weight they lift the sport.
 
I knew it was only a matter of time for the Rippetoe clergy came around. Building a collegiate football strength and conditioning program around powerlifting is a terrible idea. I'm not against deadlifting nor posterior chain development in the slightest, and it is a great tool particularly in the strength phase, but low bar squatting is not the "proper" way for an athlete to squat. It's one way, sure. But sport-specificity and neuromuscular recruitment efficiency trumps absolute load. Always.

LOL...we’re talking about elite athletes here that are some of the most genetically gifted humans on the planet. All the nonsense you are talking about isn’t going to create a statistically significant difference in performance over a well regimented strength program centered around low bar squat, press, bench press, dead lift and power clean combined with proper nutrition.

All the over engineering you’ve learned about is just a way to justify huge salaries for D1 S&C coaches. It’s just a waste of time and resources at the collegiate level.
 
That post has nothing to do with Rippetoe. If a CFB player is doing a Rippetoe or any similar LP routine you have a problem. Not because it is a bad routine for football, but because it is for absolute beginners. Rippetoe, Greyskull, or any of the other LPs are hands down the best routines for a 8th grader, freshman in HS, etc. who is just starting to workout. No a football player shouldn't ONLY low bar squat, but every NFL team incorporates high and low bar squats into their SC routine.

I would say that most D1 freshmen and sophomores are still basically beginners.

Alabama doesn’t get the S&C results it gets because it has a superior S&C program or because it invests more money into it. It gets those results primarily because it gets the most genetically gifted of the most genetically gifted.
 
LOL...we’re talking about elite athletes here that are some of the most genetically gifted humans on the planet.

I don't disagree at all.

All the nonsense you are talking about isn’t going to create a statistically significant difference in performance over a well regimented strength program centered around low bar squat, press, bench press, dead lift and power clean combined with proper nutrition.

lol, "nonsense". Yeah, all that "nonsense" from people who dedicate their lives to researching this. Why read research when I can just read forums on the internet, right? Petroleum Engineer Rippetoe teaches that you can't train speed, so it only makes sense to train strength. You should know that he's wrong, and so are you. Your way of training will take gifted athletes and make them slower.

Like I said, I have no qualms about investing a phase in training heavy deadlifts, but you don't stay there. Low bar squatting is an inefficient movement pattern that doesn't replicate any sport-specific movement in football, so there's no reason to enforce poor motor unit recruitment.

All the over engineering you’ve learned about is just a way to justify huge salaries for D1 S&C coaches. It’s just a waste of time and resources at the collegiate level.

This is wrong for 2 reasons, actually. Firstly, it's laughable to say that it's a "waste of time and resources" to train athletes as the ever-emerging research suggests. We know more about the science of training athletes than at any point in history, and it's important we put that to use. Secondly, I would argue that the "huge" salaries for D1 strength coaches is laughably low when compared to the other coaches. Scott Cochran at Alabama is at $585,000, which is amongst the highest you'll see. Most other coaches at the D1 level are waaaaaaay lower, typically hovering around $100k, even though I would argue their work is much more tantamount to the overall success of the team than a position coach who may earn 3-4x that, with the head coach and coordinators making 10x more.
 
I would say that most D1 freshmen and sophomores are still basically beginners.

That's true. That's why they should be trained properly.

Alabama doesn’t get the S&C results it gets because it has a superior S&C program or because it invests more money into it. It gets those results primarily because it gets the most genetically gifted of the most genetically gifted.

This is also true, and I agree with you. I've had many an argument about Cochran with Alabama fans. Cochran's actual training programs are pretty basic. They think he is putting together a superior S&C program, but they have 5-star athletes down the roster. There's no amount of training I could do in a collegiate weight room to compete with someone like that, and that's true for most people.

However, when two 5-star athletes are head to head, I want the one who is less likely to be injured, more explosive and can maintain that explosiveness when I need it in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. That's when a proper S&C program shines.
 
I would say that most D1 freshmen and sophomores are still basically beginners.

Alabama doesn’t get the S&C results it gets because it has a superior S&C program or because it invests more money into it. It gets those results primarily because it gets the most genetically gifted of the most genetically gifted.

Not in regards to lifting though. Rippetoe and other LPs are the best possible routines to get you squatting 350, deadlifting 450, benching 250, Cleaning 250, Rowing 250, and pressing 160. Some people could squeeze out more gains and some will squeeze out less. Some guys are long and could dead even more. Some are short and thick and could squat more, but if you are lifting more than those amounts you would be better off hopping on a different routine. Very few d1 freshman will be below that level of strength. And if they are it will be because they are tiny skill positiion players and they still probably wouldn't benefit from rippetoe. I would have all HS freshman run rippetoe until they stall out 2-3x and then switch them to an intermediate program. There might be some freak athletes that didn't really lift in HS that coudl benefit, but the vast majority are to advanced for rippetoe.
 
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Linear progression by adding 5 lbs a week? And you’ve been doing that for 16 weeks? Always been more partial to a more periodized approach utilizing base, load, peak, and recovery weeks broken down into blocks of 4-6 weeks. Gains are through supercompensation.

Week 1 - Base
Week 2 - Load
Week 3 - Peak
Week 4 - Recovery
Week 5 - Base
Week 6 - Load
Week 7 - Peak
Week 8 - Recovery

Is this a *** schedule or something?
 
We don't care about lifting. We care about making good athletes better.

You think anyone gives a **** how much Randy Moss bench pressed?

Are you kidding me? The guy quoted me and said that most Division 1 athletes are beginners so they would benefit from running a beginner linear progression model routine. That is bull****. If you already are lifting decent weight you are not going to benefit from running an LP. Why does every team have their players lift weights if they don't care about making them stronger then? Having a strong bench can help with blocking during run plays and not getting jammed off the line.
 
Are you kidding me? The guy quoted me and said that most Division 1 athletes are beginners so they would benefit from running a beginner linear progression model routine. That is bull****. If you already are lifting decent weight you are not going to benefit from running an LP. Why does every team have their players lift weights if they don't care about making them stronger then? Having a strong bench can help with blocking during run plays and not getting jammed off the line.

You're missing the point and misunderstanding my post. Obviously we resistance train athletes and the goal is to make them stronger, but that's not the end goal. Resistance training is a tool to make our athletes better at their sport. You're over here posting numbers like we care what kind of numbers people put up, like it's Gold's gym.

My goal isn't to impress people with how much Denzel Perryman bench presses or deadlifts, it's to make him a better LB, and speed is always the name of the game. That's why the entire systemic program is designed to make athletes more explosive.
 
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