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I know this has been talked about a little on the board re: the frequency of ACL injuries for Richt's teams.

Richt: Numerous ACL injuries a fluke

So I was talking to a buddy of mine who works with the team and he mentioned that they do heavy squats and Olympic lifts on both Tuesdays and Thursdays IN SEASON.

Look, I'm no S&C guru and I'll take a back seat to those who know more than I do... but isn't that a little much to be squatting so often in season? That seems a lot even for the offseason. Do muscles have enough time to recover before game day? Even an idiot knows that strong muscles are what keep joints stable and aligned... if they're compromised on game day, could those fatigued muscles from our 'in season' S&C program (that came from Georgia) be a significant catalyst for potential injuries?

What do you guys think?
 
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Walsh5 said:
I know this has been talked about a little on the board re: the frequency of ACL injuries for Richt's teams.

Richt: Numerous ACL injuries a fluke

So I was talking to a buddy of mine who works with the team and he mentioned that they do heavy squats and Olympic lifts on both Tuesdays and Thursdays IN SEASON.

Look, I'm no S&C guru and I'll take a back seat to those who know more than I do... but isn't that a little much to be squatting so often in season? That seems a lot even for the offseason. Do muscles have enough time to recover before game day? Even an idiot knows that strong muscles are what keep joints stable and aligned... if they're compromised on game day, could those fatigued muscles from our 'in season' S&C program (that came from Georgia) be a significant catalyst for potential injuries?

What do you guys think?
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I think we need to start using the roids Bama does so our guys can recover faster
 
I guarantee you Felder isn't having them do heavy Oly lifts midweek. It's high rep stuff to stay conditioned - every team lifts during season.

However, hamstring injuries can arise from muscle imbalances. If Felder doesn't have enough focus on the posterior chain/hips, and/or they are lifting incorrectly, then that can definitely cause injuries during performance.

E.g. squat depth - I see athletes all of the time (I was a SC at a juco - diff sport) stop short of reaching parallel or below. This restricts the hips, puts too much activity in the quads (and knees), and can lead to muscle imbalances. I encourage below parallel for many reasons.

Open up the hips, drop into the hole below parallel, and explode out from the bottom. It's not rocket science - and again, Felder knows all of this.

Low rep/high intensity training activates a higher number of fast twitch muscle fibers (think track sprinter, or football).
High rep/low intensity does the opposite (think marathon runner, cyclists).

I do recall reading that Felder's mentor (the head guy at Penn St for many years) was big into using machines, and was biased towards high rep programs. I could be wrong though, and certainly don't want to speak for him.

It would, however, be one thing that explains how we're in such great condition come 4th quarter, but yet can't gain a 3rd and short against Savanah St.

*shrugs*
 
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iLoveTDs said:
Unless you are on steroids, squatting 3x's a week (in a high intensity program) is unnecessary and can slow progress, and even lead to injury.
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That is false. No you cannot max out 3x a week, but you can have 2 heavy squat days with a dynamic effort 3rd squat day during the off season.
 
Astcloud11 said:
I think we need to start using the roids Bama does so our guys can recover faster
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The single most underrated reason to use ped’s.
Everyone thinks it’s size speed and power but don’t understand that the biggest reason most pros do it is for recovery. Recovery helps you work out longer and harder and then recover faster. Bama and pedo state absolutely do it. If I’m not mistaken Barkley came in at 190 at pedo state and left at 240 shredded with legs the size of a donkeys ***. As a frosh he ran a 4.66 and despite all that weight he ran a 4.4 at the combine. The top 3 sparq scores at the combine this year were all pedo state guys. They should also be called PED STATE.
 
Most of the ACL tears under Richt are actually suspensions from what I have read
 
If you're doing squats and lifts properly, it shouldn't be an issue. What maybe would worry me a little is that lifting heavy on a Thursday could easily lead to being dead-legged on Saturday. Of course, like another poster said, it's probably more high-rep conditioning stuff and not having guys doing 3-rep max power cleans on Thursday.

If we are lifting too heavy during the season, though, maybe it is a contributing factor to why we sometimes appear a little slow/sluggish? Obviously, I'm not a football player so I do not train like these guys by any stretch, but I do mix it up with heavy lifting/running/conditioning.....and if I'm fatigued/sore from doing deadlifts, squats, etc, my legs feel like concrete blocks for at least 2 days, and there's no way in **** I'm able to run my best.
 
iLoveTDs said:
I guarantee you Felder isn't having them do heavy Oly lifts midweek. It's high rep stuff to stay conditioned - every team lifts during season.

However, hamstring injuries can arise from muscle imbalances. If Felder doesn't have enough focus on the posterior chain/hips, and/or they are lifting incorrectly, then that can definitely cause injuries during performance.

E.g. squat depth - I see athletes all of the time (I was a SC at a juco - diff sport) stop short of reaching parallel or below. This restricts the hips, puts too much activity in the quads (and knees), and can lead to muscle imbalances. I encourage below parallel for many reasons.

Open up the hips, drop into the hole below parallel, and explode out from the bottom. It's not rocket science - and again, Felder knows all of this.

Low rep/high intensity training activates a higher number of fast twitch muscle fibers (think track sprinter, or football).
High rep/low intensity does the opposite (think marathon runner, cyclists).

I do recall reading that Felder's mentor (the head guy at Penn St for many years) was big into using machines, and was biased towards high rep programs. I could be wrong though, and certainly don't want to speak for him.

It would, however, be one thing that explains how we're in such great condition come 4th quarter, but yet can't gain a 3rd and short against Savanah St.

*shrugs*
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SC from a slightly larger juco here. Can confirm. I tell all of my athletes to get low. Like they have dropped something on the floor.
 
If anything they are probably doing those compound lifts in an attempt to keep the muscle growth that was promoted during the off-season.
 
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iLoveTDs said:
I guarantee you Felder isn't having them do heavy Oly lifts midweek. It's high rep stuff to stay conditioned - every team lifts during season.

However, hamstring injuries can arise from muscle imbalances. If Felder doesn't have enough focus on the posterior chain/hips, and/or they are lifting incorrectly, then that can definitely cause injuries during performance.

E.g. squat depth - I see athletes all of the time (I was a SC at a juco - diff sport) stop short of reaching parallel or below. This restricts the hips, puts too much activity in the quads (and knees), and can lead to muscle imbalances. I encourage below parallel for many reasons.

Open up the hips, drop into the hole below parallel, and explode out from the bottom. It's not rocket science - and again, Felder knows all of this.

Low rep/high intensity training activates a higher number of fast twitch muscle fibers (think track sprinter, or football).
High rep/low intensity does the opposite (think marathon runner, cyclists).

I do recall reading that Felder's mentor (the head guy at Penn St for many years) was big into using machines, and was biased towards high rep programs. I could be wrong though, and certainly don't want to speak for him.

It would, however, be one thing that explains how we're in such great condition come 4th quarter, but yet can't gain a 3rd and short against Savanah St.

*shrugs*
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I think you may have figured out the problem with these ACL tears and it is not what people are saying. If Felder does indeed pattern some of his S&C after his mentor at Pedo State that might be the issue. Its a given Felder is teaching proper form and depth on the squat but if he is using a lot of machines in his program that could be the issue. Machines have their place but machines don't require your body to stabilize anything. Free weights help strengthen your stabilizing muscles and help strengthen your ligaments and tendons. If we are going heavy on machines it is to the detriment of the players ligaments and tendons getting stronger.
 
iLoveTDs said:
I guarantee you Felder isn't having them do heavy Oly lifts midweek. It's high rep stuff to stay conditioned - every team lifts during season.

However, hamstring injuries can arise from muscle imbalances. If Felder doesn't have enough focus on the posterior chain/hips, and/or they are lifting incorrectly, then that can definitely cause injuries during performance.

E.g. squat depth - I see athletes all of the time (I was a SC at a juco - diff sport) stop short of reaching parallel or below. This restricts the hips, puts too much activity in the quads (and knees), and can lead to muscle imbalances. I encourage below parallel for many reasons.

Open up the hips, drop into the hole below parallel, and explode out from the bottom. It's not rocket science - and again, Felder knows all of this.

Low rep/high intensity training activates a higher number of fast twitch muscle fibers (think track sprinter, or football).
High rep/low intensity does the opposite (think marathon runner, cyclists).

I do recall reading that Felder's mentor (the head guy at Penn St for many years) was big into using machines, and was biased towards high rep programs. I could be wrong though, and certainly don't want to speak for him.

It would, however, be one thing that explains how we're in such great condition come 4th quarter, but yet can't gain a 3rd and short against Savanah St.

*shrugs*
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Thanks for this. Was just passing along what I've been told and figured it was relevant with the high number of lower extremity injuries Richt's teams seem to have.
 
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