The Work 7-13

[fincane]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

That would hold some water if any coach in UM's history had ever actually done it. If any of the championship teams simply had south Florida players throughout the entire roster with the QB from somewhere else. I'm not sure who started the false story that kids never left before Golden got here but people are eating it up.

Its the 4th year. No NCAA to deal with. Time to show out. As "bad" as he has done recruiting there is enough talent on the roster to at a minimum get to an ACC title game. For whatever reason the 2016 kids believe. Reward their faith.

 

[The Franchise]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

South Florida was ambivalent long before there was a product to put on the field. The point is the only support south Florida offers is after Miami wins big, which requires Miami to win big before support is offered.

It is the coach's job to get the community excited, but not even the greatest UM coaches of all time could sufficiently excite the community to your standards. And when the community did recruit the amount of kids you think we should get, we didn't win a **** thing.

So, in the end, it's just more ****ing to ****. Golden signs 12 kids from Dade and Broward, good players, guys that could go anywhere, and it's not good enough because a few others went elsewhere. Nevermind that no coach at UM has ever hit the % required to satisfy the fans because south Florida never supports the program, they just jump on the bandwagon after the championship parade.

No one said he has to get them all. But he needs to do a lot better than he's done. Just look at the posted list and keep telling yourself he's doing good enough.

He's failing despite your historical analysis of what other UM HCs did. You're comparing him mainly to guys who got fired. If that's the benchmark, then he's right on course.

 

[deleted3746]

What did Jimmy win after year 3? What did Howard win after year 3?

Howard won a bowl game his second year at Miami.

Jimmy had already won a bowl game when he arrived at Miami. Also, Jimmy was in either the Fiesta, Sugar, or Orange Bowls every year he was at Miami. Furthermore, Jimmy won 10+ games every year except for his first year.

Therefore, you look ridiculous when you try and compare Golden to Howard or Jimmy.

 

[The Franchise]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

That would hold some water if any coach in UM's history had ever actually done it. If any of the championship teams simply had south Florida players throughout the entire roster with the QB from somewhere else. I'm not sure who started the false story that kids never left before Golden got here but people are eating it up.

Its the 4th year. No NCAA to deal with. Time to show out. As "bad" as he has done recruiting there is enough talent on the roster to at a minimum get to an ACC title game. For whatever reason the 2016 kids believe. Reward their faith.

You guys are caught up in advocating. In your zeal to advocate, you're making things up. No one said every UM coach has gotten every S. FL kid. We are saying, specifically, that Al has to do a better job protecting his backyard because there's a reason top programs are coming down here and poaching the guys on Thread Killa's list.

On top of missing the big fish, he's completely overlooking some really good talent like Dowells, Moore and McKenzie and offering guys like Hope and Dortch and other reaches.

 

[fincane]

What did Jimmy win after year 3? What did Howard win after year 3?

Howard won a bowl game his second year at Miami.

Jimmy had already won a bowl game when he arrived at Miami. Also, Jimmy was in either the Fiesta, Sugar, or Orange Bowls every year he was at Miami. Furthermore, Jimmy won 10+ games every year except for his first year.

Therefore, you look ridiculous when you try and compare Golden to Howard or Jimmy.

You look ridiculous acting like Golden was eligible to go to a bowl in year 1 or 2. Jimmy took over a program that was rolling. Comparing them is silly no matter which way you want to.

 

[fincane]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

That would hold some water if any coach in UM's history had ever actually done it. If any of the championship teams simply had south Florida players throughout the entire roster with the QB from somewhere else. I'm not sure who started the false story that kids never left before Golden got here but people are eating it up.

Its the 4th year. No NCAA to deal with. Time to show out. As "bad" as he has done recruiting there is enough talent on the roster to at a minimum get to an ACC title game. For whatever reason the 2016 kids believe. Reward their faith.

You guys are caught up in advocating. In your zeal to advocate, you're making things up. No one said every UM coach has gotten every S. FL kid. We are saying, specifically, that Al has to do a better job protecting his backyard because there's a reason top programs are coming down here and poaching the guys on Thread Killa's list.

On top of missing the big fish, he's completely overlooking some really good talent like Dowells, Moore and McKenzie and offering guys like Hope and Dortch and other reaches.

And Hstokes already pointed out in a well researched thread that he started that Golden isn't hitting on any less of the top prospects than the last 4 coaches who have been here.

 

[supacane]

Recruiting is not the problem. Never has been. We out recruit Baylor,OK St, USCe and these type of teams yearly. Yet still they put a better product on the field than we do. Even OU....if you look at their classes they are very comparable to ours in the recent past. Yet they have outperform us and Texas who kill them in recruiting. Our problem is and will always be coaching. Full stop period, end of. No D garbage defense is the problem. Very simple.

When you cant win in a conference where u out recruit 11 of the 14 teams every year and match the other two teams....coaching is the problem. UF has so many talented players on offense. ...yet still they cant get 1 first down....not talent its coaching. Their offense is what our defense is to us. Coaching coaching coaching. That means scheme talent development.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

In the last 27 years, Miami's biggest recruiting years in Dade/Broward:

1. 2008 (16)
2. 2014 (12)
t3. 2012 (11)
t3. 2003 (11)
t3. 2002 (11)

Kids Miami missed on or didn't recruit at all the last 3 cycles:


2014

Dalvin Cook
Travis Rudolph
Ermon Lane
Travonte Valentine
Sony Michel
Johnnie Dixon
Sean White
Isaiah McKenzie
Treon Harris
Khairi Clark
CJ Worton
John Battle
Michael Johnson
Quinton Flowers
Edgar Cerenord

2013

Matthew Thomas
Alex Collins
Rashard Robinson
Eddie Jackson
Lamar Robbins
Denver Kirkland
Keith Bryant
Ahmad Thomas
Skai Moore
Michael Deeb
Jordan Cunningham
Maquedius Bain
Monty Nelson

2012

Amari Cooper
Ricardo Louis
Patrick Miller
Keith Brown
Avery Young
Donaldven Manning
James Burgess
Pedro Sibiea



Is Miami a better team with 50% of these kids on the roster? What about 25% of these kids?

Ah this dumb **** still gets a run. This omnipotent alternate reality, where impossible scenarios somehow constitute sound arguments. "What if I made a list of everyone who isn't on the team. That'd really sell."

I wish our team was stacked with the likes of CJ Worton, Sean White and James Burgess. Lord almighty what a bucket of old **** this is. You just pulled every available meh* star and slid them between the legitimate guys Miami didn't get. What artiface. What sport.

JORDAN CUNNINGHAM?? Mackenzie? Are you going around to all these threads today, advocating for the staff to take 6 WRs a year? Golden was supposed to punk SABAN in 2012? Or Fisher in 2014, when he won a natty? I bet there are a half dozen kids Nick missed on that would've known to tackle the guy returning a missed FG last year. What a failure his tenure has been.

The ****er--to me, mind you--is that there are TRUE misses in the middle of this list, but you don't care enough about making a good point to focus on them--just making A point, which you can't skewer the staff with. Whatever.

Flame me.

 

[TrueCane100]

People are still looking at what golden did and the staff did with ncaa handcuffs and a blindfold on..... Isnt it amazing that all of the sudden the ncaa **** comes out were not hit hard and 15, 16 look so bright... Its not rocket science people

 

[IndayArtHauz]

I really don't mean to be a jerk, TK. I'm very simply sick of that argument.

 

[Hstokes1447]

Dutch Davis is the only Coach in the history of The University of Miami football program, to ever lock down more than 50% of the top talent in South Florida. Despite that amazing feet, the 2001 starting lineup was filled with studs not from South Florida.

2001 offensive starters not from South Florida

1. Ken Dorsey - Quarterback
2. Jeremy Shockey - Tight end
3. Clinton Portis - Running back
4. Brett Romberg - Center
5. Bryant McKinnie - Tackle
6. Martin Bibla - Guard
7. Sherko Haji-Rasouli - Guard

2001 defensive starters not from South Florida

1. Andrew Williams - Defensive end
2. Matt Walters - Defensive tackle
3. D.J. Williams - Linebacker
4. Chris Campbell - Linebacker
5. Ed Reed - Safety
6. James Lewis - Safety

So, of the 22 starters only 9 where from South Florida.

There are several things you can fault this staff about, but recruiting South Florida is just not one of them. The facts show that locking down the majority of South Florida talent is next to impossible.

 

[FinsFishandCaneS]

In the last 27 years, Miami's biggest recruiting years in Dade/Broward:

1. 2008 (16)
2. 2014 (12)
t3. 2012 (11)
t3. 2003 (11)
t3. 2002 (11)

Kids Miami missed on or didn't recruit at all the last 3 cycles:


2014

Dalvin Cook
Travis Rudolph
Ermon Lane
Travonte Valentine
Sony Michel
Johnnie Dixon
Sean White
Isaiah McKenzie
Treon Harris
Khairi Clark
CJ Worton
John Battle
Michael Johnson
Quinton Flowers
Edgar Cerenord

2013

Matthew Thomas
Alex Collins
Rashard Robinson
Eddie Jackson
Lamar Robbins
Denver Kirkland
Keith Bryant
Ahmad Thomas
Skai Moore
Michael Deeb
Jordan Cunningham
Maquedius Bain
Monty Nelson

2012

Amari Cooper
Ricardo Louis
Patrick Miller
Keith Brown
Avery Young
Donaldven Manning
James Burgess
Pedro Sibiea



Is Miami a better team with 50% of these kids on the roster? What about 25% of these kids?

Damm, that 2014 Miss List makes me sick to my stomach. They Needed to do better last year with what was available. NO EXCUSES.

 

[calinative umstudent]

Recruiting is also much harder now that it was back then, especially to land these stars. Every school trys to take from south florida because the area is so talented. And that just gives these kids more options and makes us have to compete with even more teams to land these kids.
And honestly thinking we can land all the top talent is just plain stupid. I mean you cany say not getting Sean White was a miss, because we got Kaaya. Mathew thomas plain and simple did not want to be a hurricane no matter how hard we recruited him. And yeah we didnt get Dalvin Cook and Sony Michel but we did get Yearby. **** even if we got Cook you probably would still list Sony as a miss....you cant just label everyone we didnt get a miss.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Golden and the staff have been recruiting at a decent level since they got here. The NCAA cloud was completely overblown in terms of its overall impact except when it came to the elite blue-chip talents. It isn't amazing at all that the NCAA bungled their case against us and we got away with minor penalties that could've been much worse. That's part of the reason why the 2014 class was impressive; because the cloud had moved on. Our poor play, especially the defense, is what is hurting our recruiting now. The 2015 class is off to a decent start, but that's partly due to having so many recruits and so many of our best ones at the RB position. The defensive recruits holding off for so long and the Ridley/SBB's of the world going elsewhere is very concerning. The 2016 may end up being a ridiculously good class if the coaching quality finally rises to the occasion. Thank God for James Coley. He is paying massive dividends for what he was hired to bring to the table. It's not rocket science people.

FIFY

 

[Consigliere]

I really don't mean to be a jerk, TK. I'm very simply sick of that argument.

Indy,

Let's sum it up quickly

1. There is a lot of great local talent,

2. Al is getting some of that local talent, and

3. There is room for improvement.

I think people are getting so excited about 2016 because that is what great recruiting looks like. That is what gets people excited (yes men creaming about 15-16 year olds). There are a lot of guys available for 2015 locally (Irvin, Johnson, D. Davis, C. Davis, SBB, Ridley, Coney, Sheppard etc.) so we need to start bringing them into the class. We don't expect all but we expect a lot more.

 

[Dwinstitles]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

That would hold some water if any coach in UM's history had ever actually done it. If any of the championship teams simply had south Florida players throughout the entire roster with the QB from somewhere else. I'm not sure who started the false story that kids never left before Golden got here but people are eating it up.

Its the 4th year. No NCAA to deal with. Time to show out. As "bad" as he has done recruiting there is enough talent on the roster to at a minimum get to an ACC title game. For whatever reason the 2016 kids believe. Reward their faith.

You guys are caught up in advocating. In your zeal to advocate, you're making things up. No one said every UM coach has gotten every S. FL kid. We are saying, specifically, that Al has to do a better job protecting his backyard because there's a reason top programs are coming down here and poaching the guys on Thread Killa's list.

On top of missing the big fish, he's completely overlooking some really good talent like Dowells, Moore and McKenzie and offering guys like Hope and Dortch and other reaches.

A lot of fans have a hard time understanding the times, we had first dips back then and the Ray Lewis's Sean Taylor would not be wearing Cane jerseys because the sec would do what needs to be done to get them. They couldn't evaluate like us and now with the rankings it's easier for them. We are losing on the field because we are missing a lot of big chip players. A lot of the fans are here are crazy if they think we are going to win with the guys we are missing, keep waiting till we win big until you figure out it's the recruiting that is keeping us at bay. Once we get the collins's the Beckers the DTs and lock down sfla etc we will be back.

Past coaches didn't lock down sfla they got the best players from sfla while other teams thought they got the best players. Our evaluations were way ahead because of our location and that's not the case anymore. It doesn't matter who's coach at UM it matters if he can keep elite kids home, you find the coach that does that you find the coach that win a national title.

 

[Hoosiercane3]

The point here is that South Florida has no loyalty, no sense of hometown pride. Golden is expected to lock down a town to historical proportions despite the town being overrun with street agents and hangers on that non-stop **** on the program and steer the kids everywhere else.

South Florida is ambivalent on UM because of the product that Al puts on the field. Would you be dying to have your son play on that defense if you didn't attend UM? It's the coach's job to get the community excited about his program.

That would hold some water if any coach in UM's history had ever actually done it. If any of the championship teams simply had south Florida players throughout the entire roster with the QB from somewhere else. I'm not sure who started the false story that kids never left before Golden got here but people are eating it up.

Its the 4th year. No NCAA to deal with. Time to show out. As "bad" as he has done recruiting there is enough talent on the roster to at a minimum get to an ACC title game. For whatever reason the 2016 kids believe. Reward their faith.

You guys are caught up in advocating. In your zeal to advocate, you're making things up. No one said every UM coach has gotten every S. FL kid. We are saying, specifically, that Al has to do a better job protecting his backyard because there's a reason top programs are coming down here and poaching the guys on Thread Killa's list.

On top of missing the big fish, he's completely overlooking some really good talent like Dowells, Moore and McKenzie and offering guys like Hope and Dortch and other reaches.

A lot of fans have a hard time understanding the times, we had first dips back then and the Ray Lewis's Sean Taylor would not be wearing Cane jerseys because the sec would do what needs to be done to get them. They couldn't evaluate like us and now with the rankings it's easier for them. We are losing on the field because we are missing a lot of big chip players. A lot of the fans are here are crazy if they think we are going to win with the guys we are missing, keep waiting till we win big until you figure out it's the recruiting that is keeping us at bay. Once we get the collins's the Beckers the DTs and lock down sfla etc we will be back.

Past coaches didn't lock down sfla they got the best players from sfla while other teams thought they got the best players. Our evaluations were way ahead because of our location and that's not the case anymore. It doesn't matter who's coach at UM it matters if he can keep elite kids home, you find the coach that does that you find the coach that win a national title.

Totally agree, I think if we locked it down the the cooks, Rudolph's, 6, Ridleys etc, every year we would be Alabama, but better. Maybe one day we can get back to that but it will take some time, or a complete attitude change like the 2016 class. Maybe they can be the movement that will sustain for years to come.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

What did Jimmy win after year 3? What did Howard win after year 3?

Howard won a bowl game his second year at Miami.

Jimmy had already won a bowl game when he arrived at Miami. Also, Jimmy was in either the Fiesta, Sugar, or Orange Bowls every year he was at Miami. Furthermore, Jimmy won 10+ games every year except for his first year.

Therefore, you look ridiculous when you try and compare Golden to Howard or Jimmy.

Golden was banned from a bowl game in year 2, in case you forgot. Johnson took over a program following a national championship and proceeded to lose 5 games his first year, and lose his first 3 bowl games. Imagine the ****ing and moaning that Johnson couldn't win a big game. There's nothing ridiculous about bringing up the fact that winning takes time. There's nothing ridiculous about acknowledging that south Florida simply does not support the home team (unless the home team is rolling).

 

[IndayArtHauz]

I really don't mean to be a jerk, TK. I'm very simply sick of that argument.

Indy,

Let's sum it up quickly

1. There is a lot of great local talent,

2. Al is getting some of that local talent, and

3. There is room for improvement.

I think people are getting so excited about 2016 because that is what great recruiting looks like. That is what gets people excited (yes men creaming about 15-16 year olds). There are a lot of guys available for 2015 locally (Irvin, Johnson, D. Davis, C. Davis, SBB, Ridley, Coney, Sheppard etc.) so we need to start bringing them into the class. We don't expect all but we expect a lot more.

That's reasonable. I think there are still a few mitigating factors, but in general I agree. There's a lot of ground to make up. In this very class.

 

[supacane]

Kids are more inclined to stay home than leave. Our product on the field....on defense is what is easy to recruit against. We do not have any glaring weakness on offense where the talent is way below standard. ..QBs are young but talented and more on the way. We have been having problems recruiting DTs and its not enticing for kids to watch what we put out there.....at all. Trust me some kids will always leave but if kids think the best option to be successful was here at home plus have their families watch the weekly plus go home on weekends and holidays easy. They would stay home.....more of them. I totally believe that. Handlers and all. The ball is in Golden and No D's court.