The transfer Portal and Graduation

[CaneThang2020]

Yes, but remember that many of these kids are basically told to skedaddle, no? Or can they stay at a school even if they’re not on a roster?

Pretty sure they can stay in school on scholarship. The offers, at least on the P5 level are 4yr scholarship offers. Problem is that 95% of these kids only come to college because of football so they don't prioritize the education side of things.

 

[RightSaidFred]

One issue I have not seen discussed anywhere is the negative impact the transfer portal will likely have on many kids ability to obtain a college degree.

First, as a general rule when a student transfers from college A to college B, the student will lose some credits.

Second, imagine the first point happening 2-3 times. How many credits will many of these kids have at the end of their 3rd year of college if they have already transferred a few times (Darrell Jackson as an example)?

Third, many kids will not receive any scholarship from the transfer portal. I have read estimates as high as 40%. Which means 40% of kids will leave a college where they had a full scholarship and not have a scholarship at the conclusion of the portal process.

3% of college football players will ever play in the NFL. The obvious math then is that 97% need to obtain a degree or they will have often wasted that opportunity. I am confident the vast majority will not return later in life to college. So is the portal good or bad for the 97% that need to obtain a degree? The verdict won’t arrive for another 4-5 years but I don’t like the direction this is going.

First, the total number of kids on scholarship isn’t changing…each team has 85, multiply that by the number of schools and you get the total number on scholarship or just about.

What IS happening is some of those scholarships are being re-distributed…going from kids who aren’t pulling their weight, and being given to kids from lower divisions who have earned a chance.

I have zero problem with this. It’s based on MERIT. Scholarships, whether they be academic, athletic, or whatever else, are EARNED, they aren’t an entitlement. Not every kid in America gets one. If you aren’t cutting it in college academically or athletically then it can be taken away. So it’s important that the few scholarship spots that do exist go to students who have demonstrated they deserve them

 

[Okefenokee Cane]

Not Applicable


If student A. is a D1 caliber football or basketball athlete, than student A. AIN’T no student in 99.8% of the cases ( outside of Ivy League & Military Academies ) .

It’s criminal ( justice; ) , but these young men are trading their futures ( & future earning potential ) for the potential of making a quick buck or having a great ride in their early 20’s ( Puss & Parties / Pseudo Celeb Status etc… )

Most will come out of the washer beaten up & in the exact same position minus the memories & inevitable divorce as if they would’ve just taken a job at the local hardware store.

“Puss and parties” don’t sound so bad to me.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I'm generally anti-college as I think very few people actually benefit from a degree. The student loan epidemic also is a major issue for young people in our country.

I'm worried about student debt for these kids. Those that enter the portal with nowhere to land will end up at a hometown university or walking on somwehere and they'll inevitably end up with thousands in student debt based on mis guided direction of entering the portal.

I didn't benefit from my degree??.....My Portfolio says otherwise...

 

[Savage Cane]

I think there is truth to what you and @Savage Cane are saying. Many athletes are good students, and many are not. But regardless, the ONLY chance most will have to obtain a college degree without going into debt is a scholarship. And many are unknowingly forfeiting their opportunity for a free education because they have deluded themselves or been deluded by others that there is a better playing opportunity somewhere else.

Personally, what I’m saying is essentially a two pronged pov on modern “ amateur “ athletics.

1. Millennials or whatever iteration this generation is called ( angry Grampy incoming ) are marshmallows across the board for a myriad of different reasons not all of them bad.

When you couple this generational fact ( imo ) that athletic prowess has never been more rewarded across all ages from pee wee to the show, and athletes in the Big 2 are coddled endlessly from a very young age. Kids get wonked into drinking their own kool aid.

2. Universities are for profit enterprises across the board. Kids are actively steered towards less demanding and time consuming majors to maximize their profitability to said institution.

Professors are steered whether spoken or unspoken to makes sure eligibility of athletes remains in tact.

This toxic combination of entitlement due directly to a student X’s athletic prowess & this prowess’s potential to positively impact institution Y’s prestige & profitability.

Along with the value that society places on gifted athletes in the big 2, creates a perfect breeding ground for apathy regarding the virtue of not being a ****** or to better put it become a complete human ( Man ).

Integrity, Honor, Intellect, Discipline ( off the practice field or weight room etc ) wane naturally when these virtues are casually cast aside by the adults in charge of guiding & or mentoring during the formative years as young Men turn into Men.

@Wander Franco is right, I am casting a wide net & there are exceptions to my point. Thankfully

Demetrious Jackson
Deejay Dallas
Tua Tagovailoa

( based my personal interactions )

But they are sparse, getting sparser as we fall into an era of semi professionalism masquerading as “ amateur athletics “ & “ student athletes “.

I’d just rather be honest and call it what it is.

Give these kids an opportunity to go back to school when they’re done playing and provide them good, room + board, books, and a real education.

Not a dog and pony show to placate the masses.

 

[AtlAtty]

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Personally, what I’m saying is essentially a two pronged pov on modern “ amateur “ athletics.

1. Millennials or whatever iteration this generation is called ( angry Grampy incoming ) are marshmallows across the board for a myriad of different reasons not all of them bad.

When you couple this generational fact ( imo ) that athletic prowess has never been more rewarded across all ages from pee wee to the show, and athletes in the Big 2 are coddled endlessly from a very young age. Kids get wonked into drinking their own kool aid.

2. Universities are for profit enterprises across the board. Kids are actively steered towards less demanding and time consuming majors to maximize their profitability to said institution.

Professors are steered whether spoken or unspoken to makes sure eligibility of athletes remains in tact.

This toxic combination of entitlement due directly to a student X’s athletic prowess & this prowess’s potential to positively impact institution Y’s prestige & profitability.

Along with the value that society places on gifted athletes in the big 2, creates a perfect breeding ground for apathy regarding the virtue of not being a ****** or to better put it become a complete human ( Man ).

Integrity, Honor, Intellect, Discipline ( off the practice field or weight room etc ) wane naturally when these virtues are casually cast aside by the adults in charge of guiding & or mentoring during the formative years as young Men turn into Men.

@Wander Franco is right, I am casting a wide net & there are exceptions to my point. Thankfully

Demetrious Jackson
Deejay Dallas
Tua Tagovailoa

( based my personal interactions )

But they are sparse, getting sparser as we fall into an era of semi professionalism masquerading as “ amateur athletics “ & “ student athletes “.

I’d just rather be honest and call it what it is.

Give these kids an opportunity to go back to school when they’re done playing and provide them good, room + board, books, and a real education.

Not a dog and pony show to placate the masses.

I can’t disagree with anything you wrote, except that I wonder how different the lack of interest in athletics is today from the past generation.
8 years ago (admittedly still this generation), my nephew was a McDonald’s high school all American and subsequently recruited by every university in America for basketball.

The only coach that discussed academics with him was John Bielein at University of Michigan, and they met in the academic complex specifically for athletes. Despite my sister in law being a doctor, my nephew was worried that Michigan stressed academics because he knew the basketball time commitment was so heavy at any university. So he asked a player on the team about the academics, and the player replied with (I‘m paraphrasing), “don’t worry about that the tutors take care of everything”
All that to say that academics has always taken a far back seat to athletics for football and basketball.

I was friend’s with a Michigan football player who was actively deterred from taking STEM classes and had to fight with his coaches becuase of their concern that a starting Olineman would be spending too much time away from the football field. This was in the early 90’s.

I nevertheless agree with your general statement about today’s athletes.