The Three Man Pass Rush

[AUcane]

We can't generate pressure rushing 5 guys let alone 3.

The tactic makes sense for a lot of teams but we ain't one. We cant cover in the zone and we can't generate any pressure with 3 guys. That's a disaster waiting to happen. Unless it's 3rd and 50 I never want to see it again.

Pitt is the 4th ranked defense in the league. You telling me they have that much more talent? Rhetorical question but my point is a soft zone is not the only type of defense one can run. Who says we can't cover in a zone? Maybe not the zone that Donofrio teaches but I bet you the guys can be caoched up for it.

 

[canedoit]

"Crouching Line Man Hidden Pass Rush" technique!

Thanks, man!!!

 

[terdferguson]

I don't have a huge issue with a 3 man pass rush. Mostly ineffective, but the # of guys isn't the issue for me. The issue for me is that we line up 3 DTs as the down line and 1-2 or them are in a frog stance.

I'm with AU. The personnel is ridiculous. It's usually 3 plodding dt bodied individuals. The problem with this is that not only are those guys not pass rushers and never going to reach the qb, it's that they can't provide contain either. If by some miracle the pocket does break down, how hard is it for the qb to escape from heurtelou, pierre, and chick? Once he escapes the pocket it'll take another 5 minutes for those guys to chase him down toward the sideline.

 

[GonzoCane]

Our DTs should throw salt around the field before a play

 

[Rellyrell]

Didn't Gtech convert 3rd and forever against our three man pressure. It is NEVER A GOOD IDEA.

you are correct

 

[Cane Dynasty]

3 man rush isn't designed to get to the QB. It's designed to hold position and disrupt the passing lanes with batted balls.

Dorito-

 

[TheMatador]

Do you have some more pictures, you know, from different angles so I can study this stance in more detail?

 

[drifters1234]

I can't think of anything more insulting to my intelligence than this. Teams like FSU and VT will murder us if we continue to rely on three DL who aren't even in a pass rushing stance when the ball's snapped.

I agree. But the worst part - which you mentioned - is that they aren't even rushing. They are not taught to explode into the backfield. It's truly painful to watch.

 

[drifters1234]

Didn't Gtech convert 3rd and forever against our three man pressure. It is NEVER A GOOD IDEA.

but dorito protected us from the deep ball on all those 3rd and shorts.

 

[The Franchise]

There isn't a team in any level of football that is going to cover 3 or 4 wide for an extended period while the QB goes through 5 reads and eats a sammich. Never going to happen which is why teams with any sort of passing scheme eat us alive.

 

[soysoy05]

I can't think of anything more insulting to my intelligence than this. Teams like FSU and VT will murder us if we continue to rely on three DL who aren't even in a pass rushing stance when the ball's snapped.

Are you saying you have some kind of problem playing 8 against 11? Ugh, you're so obtuse.

 

[DaU83]

I can't think of anything more insulting to my intelligence than this. Teams like FSU and VT will murder us if we continue to rely on three DL who aren't even in a pass rushing stance when the ball's snapped.

i wouldn't mind it, if it was an every once in a while "change up"... but it's like every thurd and 7+ we're determined to give the QB time to scan the field.

 

[rok]

People wanted to kill Deon for giving up a TD on Saturday but with a three man rush Kiel had 8 seconds to let someone get open.

Dorito does very little to help himself.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

3 man rush isn't designed to get to the QB. It's designed to hold position and disrupt the passing lanes with batted balls.

Dorito-

That is exactly a true statement. And as brilliant a defensive mind that Gary Patterson is are you going to tell me he didn't at times rush 3 against Baylor? He got chewed up whether he rush 3, 4 or 5.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I can't think of anything more insulting to my intelligence than this. Teams like FSU and VT will murder us if we continue to rely on three DL who aren't even in a pass rushing stance when the ball's snapped.

The scheme there is to allow enough time for their receivers to reach our DBs who are waiting for them at 12 yards deep.

We played a lot more man than you think on Saturday.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Not an uncommon tactic and it's probably surprising that we don't use it more. Certainly 5 under 3 deep narrows windows to the max. It could be argued that one shouldnt waste a 4th guy on a pass rush that never reaches home. That's the real problem--lack of a pass rush.

How often do we rush 3 on passing downs? The answer is not as often as some profess. We sent 5 a lot on Saturday and it was ineffective most of the time. When it was effective we sent Grace who is quick enough to be effective.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

As stated, I'm actually surprised that we don't use this more. This is arguably the one place where the coaches are accepting reality and not ******** around with theory. REALITY has been that we generally aren't able to get good pressure on the quarterback whether we rush 3 or 4 or 5. The 3 man rush accepts that and relies on coverage. We would've practically never used this in our heyday because we could rush the passer. But if you accept that you can't rush the passer, putting more guys in coverage is not a bad tactic. And the red zone is the spot where we're most likely to use it since the idea is to close down windows and the red zone assists you in that.

This is not to say that the 3 man rush is good coaching. It's moreso a reflection of our inability to develop pass rushers. But, it does make sense for our team at the least since we aren't very good at getting to the QB. In order to say whether it's effective or not, one would have to study the results.

 

[Canesfan1899]

We can't generate pressure rushing 5 guys let alone 3.

The tactic makes sense for a lot of teams but we ain't one. We cant cover in the zone and we can't generate any pressure with 3 guys. That's a disaster waiting to happen. Unless it's 3rd and 50 I never want to see it again.

We would be playing 75 yds off the line and give up a first down.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

People wanted to kill Deon for giving up a TD on Saturday but with a three man rush Kiel had 8 seconds to let someone get open.

Dorito does very little to help himself.

That wasn't the problem. The wide out ran what looked to be a circle route and Bush bit and the wide out ran an out.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

As stated, I'm actually surprised that we don't use this more. This is arguably the one place where the coaches are accepting reality and not ******** around with theory. REALITY has been that we generally aren't able to get good pressure on the quarterback whether we rush 3 or 4 or 5. The 3 man rush accepts that and relies on coverage. We would've practically never used this in our heyday because we could rush the passer. But if you accept that you can't rush the passer, putting more guys in coverage is not a bad tactic. And the red zone is the spot where we're most likely to use it since the idea is to close down windows and the red zone assists you in that.

This is not to say that the 3 man rush is good coaching. It's moreso a reflection of our inability to develop pass rushers. But, it does make sense for our team at the least since we aren't very good at getting to the QB. In order to say whether it's effective or not, one would have to study the results.

We had 3 sacks on Saturday: Grace, McCord and Burns.