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The State of The U: The NFL Draft

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Rellyrell said:
I was thinking about @IndayArtHauz post, & while sports never defined my happiness, I have found myself being more jaded towards it in general. And if imma keep it a buck, it’s b/c every single one of my teams have sucked. With The Canes, however, they gave me an out in the NFL for yrs. Even if the Bears sucked, I can watch Baltimore, Washington, Denver, SF, & other teams w pride, knowing some of my Canes were on these teams & wrecking havoc.

Now? Not only do my Bears suck, but verrrrry few NFL teams have impactful Canes on them. Then I really started to think, ****; how many guys have we really had drafted on that level, off GP over the last few yrs? It was just a very humbling figure & it shows why we’ve been horrible.
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Rellyrell I love your detailed data post...........numbers shout at us, but here is my take:
1. We have never had a team that would be consistent for years. (At least 18 years)
2. Our talent levels sucked. (See our Exodus of players this year)
3. The Canes players looked like Jr. H/S players in taking a visual on prospective preferred NFL sizing......... for all positions...we were midget sized at
major positions across the board.
4. Our Coaching was so horrible that most NFL teams backburnered our players because they just were not developed.
5. Coaches at our U did not have the NFL contacts to mentor and bring along UFA's. ( Golden, Diaz had little or no NFL caliber contacts to help players)
6. If we could not stack players, then the portal players in and out were our adopted Canes, that were rarely developed in house. There were1 or 2
exceptions that developed on their talent growth, not team development.

I could go on to about more 20 points, but it is sickening, shocking, and a **** shame, that our Canes who had so many players from previous but are now looking at having fewer and fewer every year, not making the NFL.

Hopefully Mario can turn this around, and once we start bringing top Classes, building, and developing good players, we can get back on track and make you proud.........

The Canes **** Country Club, is now closed and defunct. Previous players with perceived talent, and selfish, narcissistic attitudes have come in with that mentality and are now out the door....gone or portaled...

The Canes hard work mentality is here and is now Mario's mantra.

We should start making some inroads in the NFL, and that will make you happy and proud to be be part of the resurgence of our Canes. Recruiting, stacking, and developing are in the works.
Hang in there. The Canes are coming.

Great , great post, well done...
 
Odysseus said:
Yea I used to clown Texas for always underachieving and firing coaches, but when we break down the numbers like you did and bowl wins Miami is embarrassing. Seems like every year our pro players dwindle like how many impact players are left in the league that went to the U, we used to be king 15 years ago in this category
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Here’s our 11 guys in the first 3-rounds:

2013:
N/A

2014:
Linder (retired)

2015:
Flowers (out the league)
Dorsett (JAG)
Perryman (Impact Player when healthy)
Walford (out of the league)
Johnson (JAG)

2016:
Burns (JAG)

2017:
Njoku (Impact Player when healthy)

2018:
Thomas (out of the league)

2019:
N/A

2020:
N/A

2021:
Phillips (Impact Player)
Rousseau (Solid Player)

2022:
N/A

But here’s what’s even scarier or troublesome bro:

Out of the 43 total players drafted during this stretch, only
24 are on active NFL rosters; and out of that 24, only 12 are starters or heavy rotational guys (Perryman, Dorsett, Njoku, Berrios, Osborn, Jenkins, JP15, GR15, Dallas, Feliciano, MJax, O’Donnell)
 
Rellyrell said:
Here’s our 11 guys in the first 3-rounds:

2013:
N/A

2014:
Linder (retired)

2015:
Flowers (out the league)
Dorsett (JAG)
Perryman (Impact Player when healthy)
Walford (out of the league)
Johnson (JAG)

2016:
Burns (JAG)

2017:
Njoku (Impact Player when healthy)

2018:
Thomas (out of the league)

2019:
N/A

2020:
N/A

2021:
Phillips (Impact Player)
Rousseau (Solid Player)

2022:
N/A

But here’s what’s even scarier or troublesome bro:

Out of the 43 total players drafted during this stretch, only
24 are on active NFL rosters; and out of that 24, only 12 are starters or heavy rotational guys (Perryman, Dorsett, Njoku, Berrios, Osborn, Jenkins, JP15, GR15, Dallas, Feliciano, MJax, O’Donnell)
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If you put phillips as an impact player then Rousseau needs to be stated as an impact player. Has been a force on a Superbowl contending team
 
Home Slice said:
Great post brother. I feel like we're on the cusp of this sorry trend changing, but I've had my hopes up plenty of times b4 and been disappointed. Hoping we get a great OC and some more tenacious recruiters in our camp. Go Canes 🏈
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The difference now versus all the other times is simply this - money.

With money comes coaching, development, and recruiting.

I think Mario is building a monster, but we won't really see it until 2024. This coming season is going to be a mix of 1997 and 1998 - depending on key injuries and player development of the 1st and 2nd year personnel will tell how much like 97 or 98 it will be.
 
Heart of The Playmaker said:
If you put phillips as an impact player then Rousseau needs to be stated as an impact player. Has been a force on a Superbowl contending team
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Absolutely not. GR15’s production tapered off mightily after Von Miller went down.

In their playoff matchup, JP15 had 9 tackles, .5 scks, & 2.5 stuffs vs. GR15 who had 1 tackle, period.

As a matter of fact, JP had more of an impact in one playoff game than GR had in two total games. His playoff stat line was 4 total tackles & 1 stuff.

Right now, JP15 is more of a problem than Greg, but I’m not calling Greg weak; but he has these disappearing acts which leads him to be taken off the field for a period of time. He’s still very young, so in the end, he might just become thee most dominant pass rusher in the league, but as of 01/30/23, JP15 is the better & more consistent of the two.
 
Rellyrell said:
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As I’m watching these playoffs, a sobering & somber feeling came over me: The lack of Miami Hurricanes on these rosters.

However, it wasn’t just the lack of Hurricanes on these rosters, but also the lack of impact players on said rosters. As I started to really go down this rabbit hole, it had me wondering over the last 10 yrs, just how many guys have been drafted in the first 3-rounds.

The reason I focused on the first 3-rounds is b/c those r guaranteed spots after being drafted. These are considered to be the most likely to impact their team, & team’s future. That’s not to discredit players who are drafted in latter rounds, but the data clearly shows if you’re drafted 4th round, in particular, 5th round or later, the greater chance you’ll find urself either out of the league w/in 3 yrs, a practice squad journeyman, or on the 53 man-squad w/ limited PT.

Also, imo, there’s a direct correlation of teams who furnish the NFL w/ players drafted in the first 3-rounds & their success on the field. Let’s see if that theory holds up.

Looking at the last 10 yrs (2013 - 2022 seasons), we as a program have posted a 75-51 record during this period. We also had 11 players drafted in the first 3-rounds during this time frame. Focusing on each conferences’ power teams, this how we compare:

ACC:
Clemson (133-20 w/ 26 players drafted)
FSU (95-45 w/ 25 players drafted)

B1G:
OSU (128-15 w/ 50 players drafted)
PSU (85-41 w/ 19 players drafted)
UofM (102-43 w/ 25 players drafted)

Big 12:
OU: (113-31 w/ 20 players drafted)

Independent:
ND (106-35 w/ 27 players drafted)

PAC-12:
UO (101-39 w/ 14 players drafted)
USC (88-50 w/ 20 players drafted)

SEC:
Alabama (139-15 w/ 59 players drafted)
LSU (100-41 w/ 42 players drafted)
UGA (121-28 w/ 33 players drafted)

It’s clear that we have underwhelmed by comparison, & the lack of NFL impact talent could be directly attributed to this. However, can we also say it’s the “lack of talent”, which has become a point of contention on this board? Again, let’s take a look at the avg. recruiting classes during this period:

Miami avg. class rank (2013 - 2022) - 15th.

By Comparison-

ACC:
Clemson (T-11th)
FSU (12th)

B1G:
UofM (T-14th)
OSU (4th)
PSU (17th)

B12:
OU (T-11th)

Independent:
ND (T-11th)

PAC-12:
UO (T-12th)
USC (T-14th)

SEC:
Alabama (1st)
LSU (6th)
UGA (5th)

While it can be argued that we’re not nearly recruiting on the same levels of the SEC Powers, along w/ OSU & Clemson, compared to FSU, USC, PSU, & Michigan once again we have greatly underachieved. To further complicate matters, if we take a look at several stable programs like Baylor, Iowa, TCU, Utah, UDub, it becomes a bigger indictment on the state of our program.

Baylor (86-49 w/ 9 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 36th)
Iowa (86-41 w/ 14 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 45th)
TCU (86-47 w/ 11 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 11th)
Utah (83-42 w/ 13 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 40th)
UW (82-41 w/ 22 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 27th)

Here’s the bottom line, until we can start flooding the NFL, not w/ late round & UDFA talent, but consistently w/ first 3-round products, we’ll continuously underachieve. Baylor is the only outlier where they have overachieved by both their recruiting class & lack of top 3-round draft picks; but, it’s inexcusable for a program like Miami to consistently recruit w/in the top 15 out of 131 FBS programs, & yield a habitual 7-5 record.

This is y I gave Mario a mulligan for his first yr. Some things were inexcusable under his watch, but this program as a whole….well, let the data speak for itself. Here’s hoping w/ the classes of 2022/2023 (avg. rank 10th so far), we’ll see this ominous trend subside.
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Great post, can you cite the sources you got these numbers from, mainly the draftee stats? Or what was your process gathering the data?
 
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Rellyrell said:
Here’s our 11 guys in the first 3-rounds:

2013:
N/A

2014:
Linder (retired)

2015:
Flowers (out the league)
Dorsett (JAG)
Perryman (Impact Player when healthy)
Walford (out of the league)
Johnson (JAG)

2016:
Burns (JAG)

2017:
Njoku (Impact Player when healthy)

2018:
Thomas (out of the league)

2019:
N/A

2020:
N/A

2021:
Phillips (Impact Player)
Rousseau (Solid Player)

2022:
N/A

But here’s what’s even scarier or troublesome bro:

Out of the 43 total players drafted during this stretch, only
24 are on active NFL rosters; and out of that 24, only 12 are starters or heavy rotational guys (Perryman, Dorsett, Njoku, Berrios, Osborn, Jenkins, JP15, GR15, Dallas, Feliciano, MJax, O’Donnell)
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Wow thats horrifying are talent in the league has dwindled like that so much, with the actual impact players being less than 10. Man we have to get our stuff together and I feel like Mario's desire for talent acquisition should help tremendously long term
 
We haven’t had any impactful players for a long time. Look when we play some of the other known football programs are guys always looked smaller, guys get caught from behind, or are overpowered. Don’t use the eye test, use frame of reference and compare to the players around them. When I see Bama or Georgia players they just some huge human beings compared to those around them. We can blame coaching, which hasn’t been all that good, but we have lacked players for sure!
 
A team should be as good as their recruiting rankings in the long term. If we’re at about 15th in recruiting, we should also be that in the polls at the end of the year on average. We haven’t even been close to that, which is pathetic. Highly Drafted players don’t mean as much to me because you can still be a great college team, but not elite, with guys that aren’t highly drafted. Just need coaches who prioritize schemes and find the right guys for it
 
Rellyrell said:
Absolutely not. GR15’s production tapered off mightily after Von Miller went down.

In their playoff matchup, JP15 had 9 tackles, .5 scks, & 2.5 stuffs vs. GR15 who had 1 tackle, period.

As a matter of fact, JP had more of an impact in one playoff game than GR had in two total games. His playoff stat line was 4 total tackles & 1 stuff.

Right now, JP15 is more of a problem than Greg, but I’m not calling Greg weak; but he has these disappearing acts which leads him to be taken off the field for a period of time. He’s still very young, so in the end, he might just become thee most dominant pass rusher in the league, but as of 01/30/23, JP15 is the better & more consistent of the two.
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Yes but in the first 2 seasons...GR15 has played like 4 less games (injury) and has better stats per game. In addition his AV number us higher....Also GR15 is strictly DL play and Phillips is rush outside LB. The 2 regular season games vs phins GR15 was the better of the 2. The playoff game GR15 played like 50% of the game. They both have spells that they are Missing in action. However, They are both doing really good.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
A team should be as good as their recruiting rankings in the long term. If we’re at about 15th in recruiting, we should also be that in the polls at the end of the year on average. We haven’t even been close to that, which is pathetic. Highly Drafted players don’t mean as much to me because you can still be a great college team, but not elite, with guys that aren’t highly drafted. Just need coaches who prioritize schemes and find the right guys for it
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In the last 18 years we have only finished one season ranked #15 or higher. Talk about doing less with more.
 
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Rellyrell said:
⚠️ May Contain Offensive Statistics:

As I’m watching these playoffs, a sobering & somber feeling came over me: The lack of Miami Hurricanes on these rosters.

However, it wasn’t just the lack of Hurricanes on these rosters, but also the lack of impact players on said rosters. As I started to really go down this rabbit hole, it had me wondering over the last 10 yrs, just how many guys have been drafted in the first 3-rounds.

The reason I focused on the first 3-rounds is b/c those r guaranteed spots after being drafted. These are considered to be the most likely to impact their team, & team’s future. That’s not to discredit players who are drafted in latter rounds, but the data clearly shows if you’re drafted 4th round, in particular, 5th round or later, the greater chance you’ll find urself either out of the league w/in 3 yrs, a practice squad journeyman, or on the 53 man-squad w/ limited PT.

Also, imo, there’s a direct correlation of teams who furnish the NFL w/ players drafted in the first 3-rounds & their success on the field. Let’s see if that theory holds up.

Looking at the last 10 yrs (2013 - 2022 seasons), we as a program have posted a 75-51 record during this period. We also had 11 players drafted in the first 3-rounds during this time frame. Focusing on each conferences’ power teams, this how we compare:

ACC:
Clemson (133-20 w/ 26 players drafted)
FSU (95-45 w/ 25 players drafted)

B1G:
OSU (128-15 w/ 50 players drafted)
PSU (85-41 w/ 19 players drafted)
UofM (102-43 w/ 25 players drafted)

Big 12:
OU: (113-31 w/ 20 players drafted)

Independent:
ND (106-35 w/ 27 players drafted)

PAC-12:
UO (101-39 w/ 14 players drafted)
USC (88-50 w/ 20 players drafted)

SEC:
Alabama (139-15 w/ 59 players drafted)
LSU (100-41 w/ 42 players drafted)
UGA (121-28 w/ 33 players drafted)

It’s clear that we have underwhelmed by comparison, & the lack of NFL impact talent could be directly attributed to this. However, can we also say it’s the “lack of talent”, which has become a point of contention on this board? Again, let’s take a look at the avg. recruiting classes during this period:

Miami avg. class rank (2013 - 2022) - 15th.

By Comparison-

ACC:
Clemson (T-11th)
FSU (12th)

B1G:
UofM (T-14th)
OSU (4th)
PSU (17th)

B12:
OU (T-11th)

Independent:
ND (T-11th)

PAC-12:
UO (T-12th)
USC (T-14th)

SEC:
Alabama (1st)
LSU (6th)
UGA (5th)

While it can be argued that we’re not nearly recruiting on the same levels of the SEC Powers, along w/ OSU & Clemson, compared to FSU, USC, PSU, & Michigan once again we have greatly underachieved. To further complicate matters, if we take a look at several stable programs like Baylor, Iowa, TCU, Utah, UDub, it becomes a bigger indictment on the state of our program.

Baylor (86-49 w/ 9 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 36th)
Iowa (86-41 w/ 14 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 45th)
TCU (86-47 w/ 11 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 11th)
Utah (83-42 w/ 13 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 40th)
UW (82-41 w/ 22 players drafted: Avg. class rank - 27th)

Here’s the bottom line, until we can start flooding the NFL, not w/ late round & UDFA talent, but consistently w/ first 3-round products, we’ll continuously underachieve. Baylor is the only outlier where they have overachieved by both their recruiting class & lack of top 3-round draft picks; but, it’s inexcusable for a program like Miami to consistently recruit w/in the top 15 out of 131 FBS programs, & yield a habitual 7-5 record.

This is y I gave Mario a mulligan for his first yr. Some things were inexcusable under his watch, but this program as a whole….well, let the data speak for itself. Here’s hoping w/ the classes of 2022/2023 (avg. rank 10th so far), we’ll see this ominous trend subside.
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About 1 player per year drafted in the first 3 rounds and people say we have talent. Run it from 2017 forward and you'll see it is even worse.
 
Heart of The Playmaker said:
If you put phillips as an impact player then Rousseau needs to be stated as an impact player. Has been a force on a Superbowl contending team
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Phillips is **** near one of the best de's in the league. Right now he is above Rousseau as a player...the Dolphins would be considered a super bowl contending tema if we werent playing with a 3rd string 7th rd pick and still nearly beating the superbowl contending team.
 
Heart of The Playmaker said:
Yes but in the first 2 seasons...GR15 has played like 4 less games (injury) and has better stats per game. In addition his AV number us higher....Also GR15 is strictly DL play and Phillips is rush outside LB. The 2 regular season games vs phins GR15 was the better of the 2. The playoff game GR15 played like 50% of the game. They both have spells that they are Missing in action. However, They are both doing really good.
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I watch every dolphin game just like i watch cane games...very seldom is Phillips "Missing" in action...unless its when the dumb *** dc desides to drop him in coverage...Phillips is a DE that is just so freakish he cna drop back...the dolphins dont run a 3-4 he wasnt a rush outside backer he was a DE. I mean i dont know if he was hurt or what but int he last bills game...they were playing Basham and Espensea or whomever those 2 are....lets just say put Phillips on the Bills and he isnt a "rotation" guy he aint leaving the field.
The last 2 years ive seen Phillips lose a stat for the simple reason as OGBAH might have stole a sack or hurry by a split second. Both are doing good..but Phillips is ahed right now he has put out some freakish film dude seems to have gotten even better since leaving here.
 
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