The state of Miami Football

[BuddyRyans46]

You are missing the point.

Yes, every program has down years however, we are on a 10+ year period and the last 9 games are an abomination. No one is talking about 1 or 2 or even 4 years - **** has been going on for over a decade. That my friend is a long term trend. Made exponentially worse by the fact the most recent sample (last game, last 10 games) are accelerating in the wrong direction.

Any fan who is content with this or just thinks it's a cyclical thing is either in denial or has a loser mentality.

The saddest part is that it does not have to be this way, it can be corrected.

We have not won a bowl game since 2006 (beat Nevada does not even count).

We have been embarrassed so many times in prim-time games in the last 5 years I have lost count.

We always underperform based on talent.

Even with THE CLOUD we still have had the highest rated recruiting class in our division last three years and have yet to win the **** thing. Not to mention this division stinks. That is 100% coaching. It's irrefutable.

Stop with the every program has down years sctick - it has nothing to do with our situation.

1-I would think the fact that we have so much talent would PROVE that this program is "Far from dead" since a lot of talented recruits are still willing to come here, even though you and others think that the U is DEAD.

2-Stop twisting what others have said. I made the point that other "top-flight" programs have experienced EXTENDED STAYS in the dumpster of college football mediocrity. One of the schools which I specifically cited was Texas, which basically OWNS a huge, football-mad state, yet which also pretty much sucked between 1984-1997. Do the names Fred Akers, David McWilliams and John Mackovin ring any bells? They were all eventually sh*tcanned before Texas finally turned it around by hiring Mack Brown. You said that we have been down for 10+ years? Well Texas sucked for 14 years before Mack Brown started to turn them around.

Oklahoma sucked from 1989 to 1998. 10 long seasons. Gary Gibbs and John Blake were both bad hires who led the program astray. Then they hired a defensive coordinator who had never been a HC before. His name was Bob Stoops and he turned the program around.

We are one head coach away from being a perennial top 10-15 program again. In other words, the program is far from dead. SMU's program in the late 80's was DEAD. We ain't. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any football program. So long as we are pulling talented recruits (which by your own admission we are), we will be okay (from a macro perspective).

 

[rex karz]

You are missing the point.

Yes, every program has down years however, we are on a 10+ year period and the last 9 games are an abomination. No one is talking about 1 or 2 or even 4 years - **** has been going on for over a decade. That my friend is a long term trend. Made exponentially worse by the fact the most recent sample (last game, last 10 games) are accelerating in the wrong direction.

Any fan who is content with this or just thinks it's a cyclical thing is either in denial or has a loser mentality.

The saddest part is that it does not have to be this way, it can be corrected.

We have not won a bowl game since 2006 (beat Nevada does not even count).

We have been embarrassed so many times in prim-time games in the last 5 years I have lost count.

We always underperform based on talent.

Even with THE CLOUD we still have had the highest rated recruiting class in our division last three years and have yet to win the **** thing. Not to mention this division stinks. That is 100% coaching. It's irrefutable.

Stop with the every program has down years sctick - it has nothing to do with our situation.

1-I would think the fact that we have so much talent would PROVE that this program is "Far from dead" since a lot of talented recruits are still willing to come here, even though you and others think that the U is DEAD.

2-Stop twisting what others have said. I made the point that other "top-flight" programs have experienced EXTENDED STAYS in the dumpster of college football mediocrity. One of the schools which I specifically cited was Texas, which basically OWNS a huge, football-mad state, yet which also pretty much sucked between 1984-1997. Do the names Fred Akers, David McWilliams and John Mackovin ring any bells? They were all eventually sh*tcanned before Texas finally turned it around by hiring Mack Brown. You said that we have been down for 10+ years? Well Texas sucked for 14 years before Mack Brown started to turn them around.

Oklahoma sucked from 1989 to 1998. 10 long seasons. Gary Gibbs and John Blake were both bad hires who led the program astray. Then they hired a defensive coordinator who had never been a HC before. His name was Bob Stoops and he turned the program around.

We are one head coach away from being a perennial top 10-15 program again. In other words, the program is far from dead. SMU's program in the late 80's was DEAD. We ain't. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any football program. So long as we are pulling talented recruits (which by your own admission we are), we will be okay (from a macro perspective).

Every one of these schools mentioned is a huge state program. We can not afford mediocrity over too long a period of time. We have crap fan support, a crap stadium and a very small donor base.

This program can be lost if taken for granted. The death of the OB was a huge farking red flag as to the seriousness of the schools ability to process what it means to proudly nurture and preserve a storied football program.

 

[BuddyRyans46]

You are missing the point.

Yes, every program has down years however, we are on a 10+ year period and the last 9 games are an abomination. No one is talking about 1 or 2 or even 4 years - **** has been going on for over a decade. That my friend is a long term trend. Made exponentially worse by the fact the most recent sample (last game, last 10 games) are accelerating in the wrong direction.

Any fan who is content with this or just thinks it's a cyclical thing is either in denial or has a loser mentality.

The saddest part is that it does not have to be this way, it can be corrected.

We have not won a bowl game since 2006 (beat Nevada does not even count).

We have been embarrassed so many times in prim-time games in the last 5 years I have lost count.

We always underperform based on talent.

Even with THE CLOUD we still have had the highest rated recruiting class in our division last three years and have yet to win the **** thing. Not to mention this division stinks. That is 100% coaching. It's irrefutable.

Stop with the every program has down years sctick - it has nothing to do with our situation.

1-I would think the fact that we have so much talent would PROVE that this program is "Far from dead" since a lot of talented recruits are still willing to come here, even though you and others think that the U is DEAD.

2-Stop twisting what others have said. I made the point that other "top-flight" programs have experienced EXTENDED STAYS in the dumpster of college football mediocrity. One of the schools which I specifically cited was Texas, which basically OWNS a huge, football-mad state, yet which also pretty much sucked between 1984-1997. Do the names Fred Akers, David McWilliams and John Mackovin ring any bells? They were all eventually sh*tcanned before Texas finally turned it around by hiring Mack Brown. You said that we have been down for 10+ years? Well Texas sucked for 14 years before Mack Brown started to turn them around.

Oklahoma sucked from 1989 to 1998. 10 long seasons. Gary Gibbs and John Blake were both bad hires who led the program astray. Then they hired a defensive coordinator who had never been a HC before. His name was Bob Stoops and he turned the program around.

We are one head coach away from being a perennial top 10-15 program again. In other words, the program is far from dead. SMU's program in the late 80's was DEAD. We ain't. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any football program. So long as we are pulling talented recruits (which by your own admission we are), we will be okay (from a macro perspective).

Every one of these schools mentioned is a huge state program. We can not afford mediocrity over too long a period of time. We have crap fan support, a crap stadium and a very small donor base.

This program can be lost if taken for granted. The death of the OB was a huge farking red flag as to the seriousness of the schools ability to process what it means to proudly nurture and preserve a storied football program.

okay, fine, Baylor has sucked for the past bajillion years and now they are good. NOBODY expected Baylor to turn into a football powerhouse....literally NOBODY. They are hardly a big-state school or a traditional powerhouse. One talented coach can always turn around any school, ESPECIALLY one that resides in a talent-rich state...like Texas...OR Florida. Christ, even the Chimp managed to turn around the Rutgers program while he was there, in spite of the fact(s) that: 1-it was Rutgers 2-NJ sucks 3-nobody gives a sh*t about college football in NJ 4-It was Rutgers

 

[supacane]

It's not money that has us down. It's stupid coaches. If it was all money teams like Tennessee and UGA would have more titles. BAMA wouldn't have disappeared as well. They have to have huge budgets just to get to the recruits. We can take a tri rail train to see them all. Recruits number one....then right coaching wins titles. Not some fancy locker room or indoor facility. We need to spend whatever we need to on the next guy. Stop looking for cheap skates. And most likely someone with Miami ties plus NFL pedegree.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I don't like the comparisons to Alabama or USC or Notre Dame or Texas or Oklahoma, among a few others. Those are historical powerhouses with so many natural advantages it doesn't really matter if they have a down decade or 15 years. IMO, we're more like a football version of UNLV basketball. I was living in Las Vegas during the Tarkanian heyday and cherished attending those games because I knew there was no guarantee it would last once that coaching era ended.

Both programs had basically a 20 year stay at or near the top, with brash teams and battles with the NCAA. Polarizing teams, ones that lacked a parallel within their own sport. UNLV had only one coach and didn't finish off as many seasons as the Canes with all their different coaches, but overall I think it's more of a stretch to find differences as opposed to similarities.

UNLV is still a good program and I suppose everything could fall into place perfectly in a given season or two. That's hardly the favorite. My friends who are still huge UNLV supporters are more realistic than Canes football fans, specifically the ones who don't understand the significance of losing the Orange Bowl and place bizarre faith in recruiting proximity.

 

[zellerdog]

All of you who says Miami is dead can go **** yourselves seriously. We may not have won a conference title since being in the acc. We may look like a joke on National tv but Miami is not dead. When we stop getting 4 and 5 star players , going. 1-12, No bowl games. Then the program is dead. We are very well alive we just have to get this soft mentality out of this programs. The coaches are not out there when those guys tackle. Perryman lay out people. No body else on defense does. Kirby got ******* truck because he came with a soft *** tackle. Burns can't tackle for ****. Howard dives at feet. Everybody ******* soft. Crawford lays the boom. When we have 11 guys all like that we will be good but we have sprinkles. Oline has to step up and be more physical. We are good folks as much as I hate Golden right now , He recruits his *** off and we still get good players. If he does get fired the next coach has a goldmine . James Coley need to cut the **** too.start calling ******* more plays in the middle hate that sideline bull crap. I think that Louisville lost woke Everybody up. Real game ain't practice.

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[DiegoCane]

I don't like the comparisons to Alabama or USC or Notre Dame or Texas or Oklahoma, among a few others. Those are historical powerhouses with so many natural advantages it doesn't really matter if they have a down decade or 15 years. IMO, we're more like a football version of UNLV basketball. I was living in Las Vegas during the Tarkanian heyday and cherished attending those games because I knew there was no guarantee it would last once that coaching era ended.

Both programs had basically a 20 year stay at or near the top, with brash teams and battles with the NCAA. Polarizing teams, ones that lacked a parallel within their own sport. UNLV had only one coach and didn't finish off as many seasons as the Canes with all their different coaches, but overall I think it's more of a stretch to find differences as opposed to similarities.

UNLV is still a good program and I suppose everything could fall into place perfectly in a given season or two. That's hardly the favorite. My friends who are still huge UNLV supporters are more realistic than Canes football fans, specifically the ones who don't understand the significance of losing the Orange Bowl and place bizarre faith in recruiting proximity.

Uggghhh. I think it is funny you consistently downplay the area Miami is located. Guys like Chad Thomas, Duke Johnson, etc, etc, wouldn't be here without our location to the best HS football in the nation. We have been down for 10 years and are still winning a few recruiting battles vs the best in the nation.

Like others have said, the right guy comes in and we have ourselves another dynasty situation.

 

[Cane Pastor]

We're as dead as our coach. Change the coach and Miami can rise again. Everything rises and falls on leadership. We've lost our direction because we have a coach that doesn't understand how to best utilize our talent and speed. Geez, there are five blueprints (national championships) to build from but for some odd reason, he's trying to build this program like its Boston College or one of the old Penn St. teams.
The irony is, everybody copied what Miami was doing when they were successful except for Miami.

 

[sszoeboy]

Totally agree, if anyone think UM cannot afford to pay a good coach $4M a yr they don't know anything about the University. They choose to invest elsewhere.

I find that to be so stupid from the university! The school could pretty much pay for it's own coach if the school wouldake the initial investment. Think about the added revenue from a bit more fans in Sun Life and think about the extra revenue from better bowl games! SMDH

 

[cyclecane]

UM football is dead. Most(if not all) of us on here will not witness a NC in our lifetime. I truly believe this. It would be hard for any program to survive 3 consecutive coaching hire fiascos. It's time for cane nation to get over this. We have been trying to rescussitate a corpse since 2005. Time to let go.
Choice is yours, embrace the new ****ty product on the field or leave it. I'm undecided right now.

Alabama pre -Saban

Mike DuBose 1997–2000 47 24 23 — .510 16 16 — .500 0 2 — 1 1 0 AP SEC Coach of the Year (1999)[21]
SEC Coach of the Year (1999)[21]
24 Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 25 17 8 — .680 10 6 — .625 1 0 — 0 0 0 —
25 Mike Price
[A 10] 2003 — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
26 Mike Shula
[A 11] 2003–2006 49 10 23 — .303 5 19 — .208 0 1 — 0 0 0 —
Int Joe Kines
[A 12] 2006 1 0 1 — .000 — — — — 0 1 — 0 0 0 —

 

[cyclecane]

These "natural advantages" you speak of...do they only show up when a really good coach comes in? Or are they always there ? the .300 winning percentage put up by an alabama coach in the mid 00s was due to these natural advantages taking a vacation? Its all ridiculous. Everything comes down to development and scheme. When a team has a guy who knows how to out coach the guy on the other sideline you will win many more times then not. When you couple that with supreme talent you have what you have now in alabama...a great coach and talent...all it will take for the canes to get back there is a guy who can procure talent then develop it while being able to hold his own in the Xs and Os ...other schools without "natural advantages" do it year in and out. We can do the same. No doubt in my mind. We just need a real football coach.

 

[The Franchise]

For the goofballs who want to talk about big state schools and money and all that nonsense, do you think if Shannon or Golden was suddenly the HC at bama or Texas that they'd win NCs just because they have TVs in their lockers and rich redneck boosters hanging around the football offices demanding results?

 

[Ispyin]

The U is dead.

Talent has been there since '09, coaching has not. At this point, it's the administration who are restricting us and will continue to do so.

Have zero confidence they will replace Golden, whether this year or next, with the right man. Their track record is MISS, MISS, MISS.

others track records have sucked. I actually think hiring competence will come to the next football program. They will see what happened to basketball after hiring larranaga.

And trust me the money is there for the right person who deserves the money and is also INTERESTED in the job.

 

[theu4lyfe]

The day this administration realizes it's fun to do bad things, is the day this football program comes back to life.

 

[cubin10]

Miami football has been dead. This isn't the 80s anymore. Its a different era.

The talent base is still here though. The real problem is, can UM afford the kind of coach that can win early here. THAT Im not sure about. Im afraid that no matter WHO we hire, its going to be a 4-5 year development process. Its going to take the new coach time to refine HIS skills, as well as get things right, the right players, assistants, etc. It took butch 5 years to get it right. I don't know if Golden will ever get it right or not. He may not have the time. If he flounders this year, he may run out of time.

But we cant pay what the top programs pay. I just don't see a scenario where we can bring in a top level guy, who can assemble a dream team of assistants, to whip this program into a national powerhouse in 1 or 2 seasons. Whatever we do, I think its going to have to be a slower process than at other places.

Not paying the big money has been the story line forever. JJ was some dude who could not get pass OU. Dennis has some funky new offense. Butch was only dude who would take the job. The only top gun hire Miami ever made was Howard. As I remember he had one of the highest contracts in college at the time. Howard was huge name, bigger than all those who followed combined. We have won on the cheap for decades, not reason we can't continue. Chud would probably be a bargain right now. Just need to make the move. We just need ambitious coach wanting NFL.

You aren't connecting the dots here though. This program was in the ****ter for a long time, and FINALLY the admin had to sense to pay for and hire a legit heavyweight in Howard. He turned the thing in the right direction, and laid the groundwork for how it has to be done.

The point here is Miami is in a state now as it was in the 1970's......We need to hire that heavyweight. Not some 40 year old hot name coordinator. Not a guy who had a decent record at an awful school. A proven heavyweight is what it will take to turn it around or it will never get turned around. Been screaming this for over a year now. It's why I lose my mind at the thought of Frost or Morris or Kingsbury etc etc.

Miami spent money in the past to take it out of the toilet, and we need to do so again.

Anyone know how much was spent in legal fees? Administration wants a choir boy coach and good boy team.
Academics > Football=University of Miami.

 

[CaniacMike21]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed. We just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. There are plenty of young, talented coordinators who would love to kick off their Head Coaching career at the U. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a one of the nation's most exciting top 20 programs? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

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Yep, we'll never be dead. Just in a coma until the right guy comes along.

 

[MiamiVice7]

Unfortunately, my first hope that we can "come out of this" is not related to our team, players, recruiting, coaches, trajectory, etc. It's the fact that we're playing in the Coastal division of the ACC. That's a low bar, and winning it shouldn't be any real marker, but we do that and we're in ACC championship games. Which is step 1.

 

[BoroCane83]

We just need to find our Dr Frankenstein.

 

[BuddyRyans46]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed. We just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. There are plenty of young, talented coordinators who would love to kick off their Head Coaching career at the U. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a one of the nation's most exciting top 20 programs? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

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Thanks, Terd. I appreciate it! Good to see you again! It's been awhile. I actually remember you from the old grassy days!

 

[BuddyRyans46]

We just need to find our Dr Frankenstein.

as in....."FEED MY FRANKENSTEIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"