The state of Miami Football

[Robbymoto]

Spot on. We still sit on the most fertile HS talent on the planet. The right guy with the right philosophy and coaching could resurrect the sleeping giant. However, with this admin it is highly unlikely.

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed, we just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a top 20 program? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

UM just needs the right guy, not the biggest name or most expensive guy. Like you said, usc got lucky with their 4th option. Carroll had to beg for the interview. Oklahoma hired Stoops for a relatively modest amount after hiring 4 or 5 busts in a row.

 

[weownfsu]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed, we just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a top 20 program? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

UM just needs the right guy, not the biggest name or most expensive guy. Like you said, usc got lucky with their 4th option. Carroll had to beg for the interview. Oklahoma hired Stoops for a relatively modest amount after hiring 4 or 5 busts in a row.

Yep. ****, in 2007, we could have had Jim Harbaugh, who would have won 2 or 3 titles here and brought back teams that played the teams from the 1980's. He was a guy coaching a school that didn't even have scholarships at the time. It wouldn't have taken some ridiculous amount of money, either. He was getting paid like 1.25 million by Stanford.

 

[FullyERicht]

The real problem is, can UM afford the kind of coach that can win early here.

They most surely CAN......they just choose not to. It's about priorities and they most surely don't care about a winning football program.

This.........

 

[UMFarArcher]

Miami football has been dead. This isn't the 80s anymore. Its a different era.

The talent base is still here though. The real problem is, can UM afford the kind of coach that can win early here. THAT Im not sure about. Im afraid that no matter WHO we hire, its going to be a 4-5 year development process. Its going to take the new coach time to refine HIS skills, as well as get things right, the right players, assistants, etc. It took butch 5 years to get it right. I don't know if Golden will ever get it right or not. He may not have the time. If he flounders this year, he may run out of time.

But we cant pay what the top programs pay. I just don't see a scenario where we can bring in a top level guy, who can assemble a dream team of assistants, to whip this program into a national powerhouse in 1 or 2 seasons. Whatever we do, I think its going to have to be a slower process than at other places.

****, we NEVER paid top salaries.

What's your point?

 

[FullyERicht]

Miami football has been dead. This isn't the 80s anymore. Its a different era.

The talent base is still here though. The real problem is, can UM afford the kind of coach that can win early here. THAT Im not sure about. Im afraid that no matter WHO we hire, its going to be a 4-5 year development process. Its going to take the new coach time to refine HIS skills, as well as get things right, the right players, assistants, etc. It took butch 5 years to get it right. I don't know if Golden will ever get it right or not. He may not have the time. If he flounders this year, he may run out of time.

But we cant pay what the top programs pay. I just don't see a scenario where we can bring in a top level guy, who can assemble a dream team of assistants, to whip this program into a national powerhouse in 1 or 2 seasons. Whatever we do, I think its going to have to be a slower process than at other places.

Not paying the big money has been the story line forever. JJ was some dude who could not get pass OU. Dennis has some funky new offense. Butch was only dude who would take the job. The only top gun hire Miami ever made was Howard. As I remember he had one of the highest contracts in college at the time. Howard was huge name, bigger than all those who followed combined. We have won on the cheap for decades, not reason we can't continue. Chud would probably be a bargain right now. Just need to make the move. We just need ambitious coach wanting NFL.

You aren't connecting the dots here though. This program was in the ******* for a long time, and FINALLY the admin had to sense to pay for and hire a legit heavyweight in Howard. He turned the thing in the right direction, and laid the groundwork for how it has to be done.

The point here is Miami is in a state now as it was in the 1970's......We need to hire that heavyweight. Not some 40 year old hot name coordinator. Not a guy who had a decent record at an awful school. A proven heavyweight is what it will take to turn it around or it will never get turned around. Been screaming this for over a year now. It's why I lose my mind at the thought of Frost or Morris or Kingsbury etc etc.

Miami spent money in the past to take it out of the toilet, and we need to do so again.

 

[fresssh]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed, we just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a top 20 program? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

UM just needs the right guy, not the biggest name or most expensive guy. Like you said, usc got lucky with their 4th option. Carroll had to beg for the interview. Oklahoma hired Stoops for a relatively modest amount after hiring 4 or 5 busts in a row.

Yep. ****, in 2007, we could have had Jim Harbaugh, who would have won 2 or 3 titles here and brought back teams that played the teams from the 1980's. He was a guy coaching a school that didn't even have scholarships at the time. It wouldn't have taken some ridiculous amount of money, either. He was getting paid like 1.25 million by Stanford.

Then maybe our money should go to a top notch athletic director that's able to find these coaches before they blow up.

 

[The Franchise]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed, we just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a top 20 program? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

UM just needs the right guy, not the biggest name or most expensive guy. Like you said, usc got lucky with their 4th option. Carroll had to beg for the interview. Oklahoma hired Stoops for a relatively modest amount after hiring 4 or 5 busts in a row.

Yep. ****, in 2007, we could have had Jim Harbaugh, who would have won 2 or 3 titles here and brought back teams that played the teams from the 1980's. He was a guy coaching a school that didn't even have scholarships at the time. It wouldn't have taken some ridiculous amount of money, either. He was getting paid like 1.25 million by Stanford.

Could have had Gus Malzahn the last time around.

 

[HurricaneU]

Miami football has been dead. This isn't the 80s anymore. Its a different era.

The talent base is still here though. The real problem is, can UM afford the kind of coach that can win early here. THAT Im not sure about. Im afraid that no matter WHO we hire, its going to be a 4-5 year development process. Its going to take the new coach time to refine HIS skills, as well as get things right, the right players, assistants, etc. It took butch 5 years to get it right. I don't know if Golden will ever get it right or not. He may not have the time. If he flounders this year, he may run out of time.

But we cant pay what the top programs pay. I just don't see a scenario where we can bring in a top level guy, who can assemble a dream team of assistants, to whip this program into a national powerhouse in 1 or 2 seasons. Whatever we do, I think its going to have to be a slower process than at other places.

Not paying the big money has been the story line forever. JJ was some dude who could not get pass OU. Dennis has some funky new offense. Butch was only dude who would take the job. The only top gun hire Miami ever made was Howard. As I remember he had one of the highest contracts in college at the time. Howard was huge name, bigger than all those who followed combined. We have won on the cheap for decades, not reason we can't continue. Chud would probably be a bargain right now. Just need to make the move. We just need ambitious coach wanting NFL.

You aren't connecting the dots here though. This program was in the ****ter for a long time, and FINALLY the admin had to sense to pay for and hire a legit heavyweight in Howard. He turned the thing in the right direction, and laid the groundwork for how it has to be done.

The point here is Miami is in a state now as it was in the 1970's......We need to hire that heavyweight. Not some 40 year old hot name coordinator. Not a guy who had a decent record at an awful school. A proven heavyweight is what it will take to turn it around or it will never get turned around. Been screaming this for over a year now. It's why I lose my mind at the thought of Frost or Morris or Kingsbury etc etc.

Miami spent money in the past to take it out of the toilet, and we need to do so again.

There is one name out there that fits the bill. One phone call away.

 

[supacane]

Stop this lunacy. Name a national power and show me a time when they weren't in the dumps. Bama, OU, USC? Us. We hire all these numb skulls and expect to compete and dominate the best. We are locate to the most talent in the country. That's the key. Talking about all these other things are just distractions. We need to stop hiring. ...1) guys with no idea of Miami tradition. 2) guys with no experience 3) guys with contrary philosophy to Miami. When you're down everything seems bad. When your chick is mad at you. She finds faults with everything you do.

 

[wacane]

Everyone keeps talking about hiring the right guy. I just have zero confidence that's going to happen. Maybe we'll get lucky

 

[Hurricane23]

Relax guys Nortre Dame hasn't won a ring since 1988, wait what about Michigan last won in 1997, and Bama wasn't always Bama they had a 17 year span between rings, we've won more recent than Oklahoma, Georgia 1980, we will win one guys. LOL don't negg me too hard

 

[dookie blaylock]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed. We just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. There are plenty of young, talented coordinators who would love to kick off their Head Coaching career at the U. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a one of the nation's most exciting top 20 programs? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

if chud became our pete carroll, i wouldn't have any issues at all. he had zero opportunity at cleveland and he's probably frothing at the mouth for an opportunity to prove himself.

 

[SmokeyRone]

We arfe a bottom tier (lower half) program in the ACC. Indisputable.

 

[streetja]

The U is dead.

Talent has been there since '09, coaching has not. At this point, it's the administration who are restricting us and will continue to do so.

Have zero confidence they will replace Golden, whether this year or next, with the right man. Their track record is MISS, MISS, MISS.

 

[PuertoRiCane]

Never gonna happen. If we ever started to get better, Mark Emmert and the NCAA would put an end to that.

 

[terdferguson]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed. We just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. There are plenty of young, talented coordinators who would love to kick off their Head Coaching career at the U. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a one of the nation's most exciting top 20 programs? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

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[Robbymoto]

You are missing the point.

Yes, every program has down years however, we are on a 10+ year period and the last 9 games are an abomination. No one is talking about 1 or 2 or even 4 years - **** has been going on for over a decade. That my friend is a long term trend. Made exponentially worse by the fact the most recent sample (last game, last 10 games) are accelerating in the wrong direction.

Any fan who is content with this or just thinks it's a cyclical thing is either in denial or has a loser mentality.

The saddest part is that it does not have to be this way, it can be corrected.

We have not won a bowl game since 2006 (beat Nevada does not even count).

We have been embarrassed so many times in prim-time games in the last 5 years I have lost count.

We always underperform based on talent.

Even with THE CLOUD we still have had the highest rated recruiting class in our division last three years and have yet to win the **** thing. Not to mention this division stinks. That is 100% coaching. It's irrefutable.

Stop with the every program has down years sctick - it has nothing to do with our situation.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

All of you who says Miami is dead can go **** yourselves seriously. We may not have won a conference title since being in the acc. We may look like a joke on National tv but Miami is not dead. When we stop getting 4 and 5 star players , going. 1-12, No bowl games. Then the program is dead. We are very well alive we just have to get this soft mentality out of this programs. The coaches are not out there when those guys tackle. Perryman lay out people. No body else on defense does. Kirby got ******* truck because he came with a soft *** tackle. Burns can't tackle for ****. Howard dives at feet. Everybody ******* soft. Crawford lays the boom. When we have 11 guys all like that we will be good but we have sprinkles. Oline has to step up and be more physical. We are good folks as much as I hate Golden right now , He recruits his *** off and we still get good players. If he does get fired the next coach has a goldmine . James Coley need to cut the **** too.start calling ******* more plays in the middle hate that sideline bull crap. I think that Louisville lost woke Everybody up. Real game ain't practice.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

All it takes is a half way decent coach to win big at Miami.

You could build a team of all 3 star guys from south Florida and win. **** wake forest won the acc with almost all 2 star guys because they had a real coach.

Miami isn't dead. Just waiting on the right coach.

 

[mendiso30]

Alabama was a dead program also before Nick Saban was hired. I remember watching them get destroyed in the SEC and they were not the cool place to be like they are now.

All it takes is hiring the right guy. One who understands how to use the players that south Florida produces. Allow them to continue the highly competitive, physical, lightning quick, trash talking culture that is bred from Pee Wee on up through High school.

We get the right guy and the Canes will be back. We will never be completely out of it for good, there are too many athletes coming out of south Florida high schools every year.