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The Richt vs UM Showdown

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1LuvCane said:
If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse. @For_The_U
I totally concur.
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But.... how can anybody else possibly be right when I know that I’m never wrong?

JK JK
 
hotshot said:
Not what they say. UM was begging for every last nickel to try to pay for the IPF. Said they did not have the less than $1M needed to put toward it.
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Misinformed. The original facility was low $30M's and the final price with additions is close to $40M. They had no issue raising $40M in 30 months.
 
The board and James will likely meet and come to conclusions and have him deliver a message to Richt. I'm guessing it goes something like this:


"It has become obvious over the past 3 years that our offense is ineffective and not progressing under the current direction and that a change is needed. The university is committed to providing the resources to hire a highly qualified offensive coordinator with a proven record of success and the ability to adapt and stay ahead of the changes in today's game. We believe this is the key piece that will make our program a consistent winner under your leadership.

As head coach you have the final responsibility of making these calls and can choose a course different from these recommendations, but we consider the program's success to be an integral part of the university's financial and academic structure, and time is not unlimited. If we see that, after four years, you have been unable or unwilling to correct these issues we may unfortunately be forced to move in another direction at the head coaching position."


I can't see them pushing any harder than that. Would it be enough to make him move on a coordinator? I give it a 25% chance. But if he stays the course and next year is mediocre or bad, the above + noise from everywhere will make it easy for them to fire him.
 
Echtcane said:
The board and James will likely meet and come to conclusions and have him deliver a message to Richt. I'm guessing it goes something like this:


"It has become obvious over the past 3 years that our offense is ineffective and not progressing under the current direction and that a change is needed. The university is committed to providing the resources to hire a highly qualified offensive coordinator with a proven record of success and the ability to adapt and stay ahead of the changes in today's game. We believe this is the key piece that will make our program a consistent winner under your leadership.

As head coach you have the final responsibility of making these calls and can choose a course different from these recommendations, but we consider the program's success to be an integral part of the university's financial and academic structure, and time is not unlimited. If we see that, after four years, you have been unable or unwilling to correct these issues we may unfortunately be forced to move in another direction at the head coaching position."

Sounds reasonable.

I expect no changes.

He will have to be fired.

I can't see them pushing any harder than that. Would it be enough to make him move on a coordinator? I give it a 25% chance. But if he stays the course and next year is mediocre or bad, the above + noise from everywhere will make it easy for them to fire him.
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Echtcane, I doubt they even approach giving him the ultimatum contained in your message (the part about "unfortunately having to move on after next year" if issues aren't corrected). They don't have the guts to confront him that directly.
 
Echtcane said:
The board and James will likely meet and come to conclusions and have him deliver a message to Richt. I'm guessing it goes something like this:


"It has become obvious over the past 3 years that our offense is ineffective and not progressing under the current direction and that a change is needed. The university is committed to providing the resources to hire a highly qualified offensive coordinator with a proven record of success and the ability to adapt and stay ahead of the changes in today's game. We believe this is the key piece that will make our program a consistent winner under your leadership.

As head coach you have the final responsibility of making these calls and can choose a course different from these recommendations, but we consider the program's success to be an integral part of the university's financial and academic structure, and time is not unlimited. If we see that, after four years, you have been unable or unwilling to correct these issues we may unfortunately be forced to move in another direction at the head coaching position."


I can't see them pushing any harder than that. Would it be enough to make him move on a coordinator? I give it a 25% chance. But if he stays the course and next year is mediocre or bad, the above + noise from everywhere will make it easy for them to fire him.
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I was told it will be a lot tougher than that. Mandatory firings or he can join them and retire on his buyout.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Narrator: Canes fans went on to learn that Rick's offseason wasn't interesting at all as the concern of the BoT was vastly overestimated and the "movers and shakers" neither move nor shake until things are at Alfredo Golden vs Clemson and Radio Shannon vs USF levels.
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****, @Tad Footeball, you made my boogers come out!!!! LMFAO!
 
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ssvir said:
Misinformed. The original facility was low $30M's and the final price with additions is close to $40M. They had no issue raising $40M in 30 months.
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ssvir, I remember when the donations for the IPF were at like $30M and the price tag was said to be around $31M. The call for donations back then implied that the facility couldn't be finished unless that gap was closed by outside donations.

I thought at the time, "How cheap" (considering all the $$$ football brings into the university)! Oh, and raising $40M in 30 months is nothing to crow about. It took alum T. Boone Pickens 5 minutes to write a $165M check to be used for athletics only to Oklahoma State.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Three years in. Who is responsible for recruiting and coaching the QB’s?

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel “smart” and let you sleep at night thinking those who hold the coaches accountable are “reactionary” or “don’t know football”, but failure is failure is failure. Doesn’t matter how you slice it or scapegoat it, the arrow of failure always eventually leads to either Richt and his son, or Richt and Searles, or all of the above. No matter how you slice it, the offensive product on the field has gotten worse each year they’ve been here and has reached completely unacceptable levels of “proficiency”.

Failure is failure is failure.
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!! And just to throw this in there, whether it means anything,......Rorcht has been paid 12 million dollars for this **** in the last 3 years.
 
An underreported part of Oklahoma State's approach is for well-heeled alumni to buy sizable life insurance policies instead of direct donations and make the Athletic Trust the beneficiary.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Not exactly.

Richt is stubborn. Proud. Takes offence easily. Gets defensive - quickly. He's all about image. He cherishes his image - even if it's largely in his own mind.

This weakness - can be exploited.

It's embarrassing to see banners flown prior to EVERY game - it's embarrassing to the coach, it's embarrassing to the University - and believe me - the Administration and BOT are NOT going to like this very negative publicity to continue.

Truly, it's a low-rent tactic - but it's a tactic that cumulatively gets a lot of attention quickly - and I guarantee - steps will be taken to put a stop to the negative publicity to the University.

And for Richt - the calling out for his firing - really puts a lot of pressure on him - it's embarrassing, it's frustrating to a coach, and it spotlights exactly where the problem is. When you know that thousands and thousands of folks are seeing these banners - not just at home games - but also away games - you quickly become a laughing stock.

When confronted with a difficult tactical situation - use what your opponent gives you - and you hit at your opponent's weak spots.

Richt's pride is his weakness.

Banners strike at his pride. He will be anxious to make a deal - and negotiate his way out of the contract extension allotments much more quickly than just trying to fire him.

It's called "softening up the target."

Pound, pound, pound, and pound. That always makes negotiations more favorable for your side.
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Butch Davis specifically cited the banners as one of the reasons he decided to leave. It was embarrassing. HCs have a lot of pride. Rick was on the verge of retirement. I don't doubt that banners and other public embarrassments go into his decision making process of whether it's worth it to keep coaching. His pride probably says no at this point, but he has 4 million reasons to suffer through it and hang on for more years despite the fact that he's already checked out. It's not worth the effort to deal with hard stuff like firing his friends and his own son.
 
hotshot said:
Echtcane, I doubt they even approach giving him the ultimatum contained in your message (the part about "unfortunately having to move on after next year" if issues aren't corrected). They don't have the guts to confront him that directly.
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I'm interested in how people get such different impressions of the BOT/AD. You you say they don't have the guts for what I outlined while canesplaymaker in the next post says he was told it will be a lot tougher than what I said... that there will be mandatory firings. I'm really just guessing based on how I think people like that actually operate.
 
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TrueFloridian said:
The team made 18 million from the OB payout alone last season. Richt's buyout shouldn't be a problem.
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Revenue from TV and bowls are shared equally by all ACC teams. The ACC does pay different travel cost amounts to each bowl team based on the anticipated expenses. Basically, Louisville will get as much as Clemson. That, IMO, is a disincentive for putting forth real effort to improve.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Narrator: Canes fans went on to learn that Rick's offseason wasn't interesting at all as the concern of the BoT was vastly overestimated and the "movers and shakers" neither move nor shake until things are at Alfredo Golden vs Clemson and Radio Shannon vs USF levels.
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Those same BoT members changed the game after Shalala left, breaking the bank to hire Richt—as well as pushing for the indoor practice facility and building the new football building (Schwartz). They've also stated (in Barry Jackson's recent column) that there is $1M freed up to hire a quality offensive coordinator; all doable because of ACC shared revenue and the adidas deal.

Things have changed since the firings of Shannon and Golden. BoT wants to build a winner—and Richt made sense as a hire in late 2015. They're not going to let that $4M annual investment to **** in a handbag—not to mention the facilities upgrades.

Don't underestimate what these guys will now do after breaking Miami's bank the past few years.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Those same BoT members changed the game after Shalala left, breaking the bank to hire Richt—as well as pushing for the indoor practice facility and building the new football building (Schwartz). They've also stated (in Barry Jackson's recent column) that there is $1M freed up to hire a quality offensive coordinator; all doable because of ACC shared revenue and the adidas deal.

Things have changed since the firings of Shannon and Golden. BoT wants to build a winner—and Richt made sense as a hire in late 2015. They're not going to let that $4M annual investment to **** in a handbag—not to mention the facilities upgrades.

Don't underestimate what these guys will now do after breaking Miami's bank the past few years.
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I hope you're right. I'm just going by the track record of the last 20 years though and also realizing that the most "motivated" BoT members are usually the ones that speak to the media and often aren't reflective of any actual groundswell let alone a consensus opinion in the Gables. I also was extremely offput by the same BoT members that talked to Jackson being VERY delusionally positive about Shalala's oversight of athletics.

Again, I'd much prefer that your optimism proves me wrong though.
 
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