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The Recipe for a National Championship

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JeddTheFisch said:
With the caveat that it has to be spread out across position groups. A majority of the roster isn't enough. Just look at some F$U teams and our roster last year.

If you've stacked a ton of 4 and 5 star WRs and LBs, but have a none on the OL, don't expect to win it all.

Your last statement is spot on. Can't do it without a majority though. Necessary condition.
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Exactly this.

Example - we could have our entire OL be 5 Star/Day 1 picks. But if they're protecting Malik Rosier throwing to Mark Pope - it doesn't matter.

All the OL would be doing is giving more time for a bad QB to throw an inaccurate pass to a WR with bad hands.

You don't have to have a great OL if you have great QB, RB, WR's (Clemson). You don't have to have a great QB if you have a great OL, RB, WR's (Alabama).

You can be below average at 1 position group....but only if the other positions are good enough to pick up their slack.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
To be fair - which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

Do players from national championship teams get drafted, or to draftable players win national championships? I think it goes both ways.

We've had plenty of talent to not go 7-6 for the past 15 years. We need to start by doing a better job with the players that we already get, while stacking chips in recruiting, which will get immeasurably easier if we're winning 10+ games and our division every year.

We're not going anywhere without better coaching AND better players. I don't feel like this needs to be restated as often as it seems to come up around here. In other news, when you get water on you, you become wet.
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My answer is that it can happen either way.

If you have 6 win talent, and a staff that can squeeze 7 wins out of it, recruiting can slowly improve through winning.

If you've got an ace staff, they can recruit 8-win talent off a 6 win season.

Ideally, you assemble a staff that can do both.

Both talent and wins can be stacked, and a virtuous cycle can be self-perpetuating. See Saban.

I don't think it's strictly E before W.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Exactly this.



You don't have to have a great OL if you have great QB, RB, WR's (Clemson). You don't have to have a great QB if you have a great OL, RB, WR's (Alabama).
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Wouldn't Georgia be the much better example here? They just won a title with a walkon QB. BAMA had the Heisman winner.
 
bshaw28 said:
I see this posted here all the time - "we don't need a great (insert position), just look at (insert team/insert year)". Example - "we don't need a 1st Round/Heisman winning QB to win it all, just look at Ken Dorsey"

Technically - this is correct. In Reality - what you need is Day 1 & 2 NFL talent at enough position groups that it covers for the positions where you're weaker.

I looked at every NC team since 2010 and their 8 position groups - QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB

Out of the last 10 NC's - 10 out of 10 had a player drafted on Day 1 & 2 in a majority of their position groups (5 or more out of 8). Of the last 8 NC's, 6 (maybe 7) have had 7+.

Here's how many Day 1 & 2 picks each NC team has had at their 8 Position Groups:

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To win a NC, you need either:

1) NFL Rounds 1-3 talent in AT LEAST 5 of your 8 positions
2) Superman as your QB (Cam Newton in 2010)
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Yes but the back ups and starters that don’t make it to the league also have to be pretty talented.
We’ve had nfl talent on the team before. The problems is the other guys.
Plenty of guys have gone to the frontrunners that didn’t get drafted but are way better than the dudes we didn’t get drafted.

We’ve had players start here that wouldn’t even get recruited by those teams. That also has to be put into the equation.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
My answer is that it can happen either way.

If you have 6 win talent, and a staff that can squeeze 7 wins out of it, recruiting can slowly improve through winning.

If you've got an ace staff, they can recruit 8-win talent off a 6 win season.

Ideally, you assemble a staff that can do both.

Both talent and wins can be stacked, and a virtuous cycle can be self-perpetuating. See Saban.

I don't think it's strictly E before W.
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You had me at a check mark until that last sentence. Ok, that was funny. Now, can we never hear that bull**** ******* phrase ever again?
 
bshaw28 said:
I see this posted here all the time - "we don't need a great (insert position), just look at (insert team/insert year)". Example - "we don't need a 1st Round/Heisman winning QB to win it all, just look at Ken Dorsey"

Technically - this is correct. In Reality - what you need is Day 1 & 2 NFL talent at enough position groups that it covers for the positions where you're weaker.

I looked at every NC team since 2010 and their 8 position groups - QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB

Out of the last 10 NC's - 10 out of 10 had a player drafted on Day 1 & 2 in a majority of their position groups (5 or more out of 8). Of the last 8 NC's, 6 (maybe 7) have had 7+.

Here's how many Day 1 & 2 picks each NC team has had at their 8 Position Groups:

View attachment 173643

To win a NC, you need either:

1) NFL Rounds 1-3 talent in AT LEAST 5 of your 8 positions
2) Superman as your QB (Cam Newton in 2010)
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Pay attention, he’s the most underrated poster on the board. He knows his sh*t 💯
 
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TUSKtimes said:
There's a good reason that anything beyond a 4 team playoff is overkill. The talent just isn't there. We are in the era of the "super team." BAMA, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma, perhaps TAMU is close to joining elite talent status in the SEC. But a lot of high 4* and 5* are heading to these schools. USC may be the next elite talent to step back up again with Riley doing his thing and with the Trojan's history and geography. Florida, FSU, and Miami have been there and done that and they live on the right soil. But regardless of the ebb and flow of the elite teams, parity is mostly just a myth in college football.
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Can u say that last part again for the ppl in the back? Gawlee, I’ve been saying this for a while now. Throughout the history of CFB, there’s only been two, no more than 3 teams consistently vying for Nat’l titles every 10-15 yr window.

The only reason I was in favor of expanding the CFP to 8 teams, not 12, was due to the bowl game issues, and typically games played between top 8 teams r pretty entertaining. Anything outside top 8 is just ridiculous.
 
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