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umhurricane2511

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3 straight coaching staffs, 3 straight failures.

All 3 had similar upward trajectories in the beginning, yet failed to maintain. This resulted in the bottom falling out.

Shannon had a rough 07, then showed flashes in 08. We signed the #1 class in the nation in 08 as well. The start of 09 (after beating OU), everyone said "We back". However, we didn't maintain that momentum. Call it complacency on the players' parts, poor coaching, etc, but we crashed and burned in 2010 with a talented roster. Our 09 and 10 recruiting classes were NOT good, setting us back depth wise.

Enter Golden. Had a rough 2011, but was competitive in 2012. Signed a highly ranked class in 2012 (sound familiar?). In 2013, we started 7-0 and were ranked in the top 10. After beating the Gators, everyone claimed "We back. Again!" Everyone new we weren't THAT good, but winning was fun and we hadn't been doing it. Even with a non-great team, Miami should dominate the Coastal, right? Anyways, like always we crashed and burned towards the end of 2013. Our recruiting class in 2013 was pretty terrible, again setting us back. Once again, was it complacency on the players' parts? Poor coaching? Both? Different players AND coaches this time, though. The negative momentum carried into 14-15. 2014-2015 were basically a blur of 2 season. Golden should have been fired after 2014 AT THE LATEST.

Soooo, Miami hires Mark Richt. A proven commodity. He comes in and makes us respectable in 2016. Then in 2017, we had a great start. 10-0 with a 15 game win streak. Beat FSU and Notre Dame in Primetime. "We back baby! Turnover Chain!!". Well. We close the season with an 0-3 slide, still signing a top 10 recruiting class, though. But then 2018 happened. We dropped off faster than the stock market in 2008. We lost games, players, and recruits every week it seemed. Momentum = gone. So for the 3rd regime, was it Complacency of the Players? Poor coaching? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON???

The point of this post? Manny will probably see some success early. How much success? Who knows. But the last 3 staffs (who we can all agree we not good) each had their "we back" moment. When Manny gets his, what will/can we do differently to try and maintain that success? How do we not taper off AGAIN.

Personally, I think it all boils down to leadership. Leaders keep their players hungry once they taste a little success. We just don't work as hard as we should. Period.
 
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ddann said:
The program hasn't been able to sustain any kind of positive momentum ever since Terry Porter threw that flag.

That's the problem.
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If that flag was thrown against bama or osu or some other insane fan base. That guy would’ve been poisoned. No chance he still breathing after that. Remember that bama fan that poisoned the toomers corner trees in auburn. Same ****
 
I don't think it's about maintaining the initial successes but more about us not being fooled by the actual strength of those initial successes. They were all proven to be false markers of progress more than us somehow declining after them. We were just exposed. We didn't precipitously get worse after.
 
Mark Richt was given too much rope. He ended up tangling himself and all his O staff up in it, and they died like not so innocent dolphins in a tuna net.

Is that what you wanted to know?
 
umhurricane2511 said:
3 straight coaching staffs, 3 straight failures.

All 3 had similar upward trajectories in the beginning, yet failed to maintain. This resulted in the bottom falling out.

Shannon had a rough 07, then showed flashes in 08. We signed the #1 class in the nation in 08 as well. The start of 09 (after beating OU), everyone said "We back". However, we didn't maintain that momentum. Call it complacency on the players' parts, poor coaching, etc, but we crashed and burned in 2010 with a talented roster. Our 09 and 10 recruiting classes were NOT good, setting us back depth wise.

Enter Golden. Had a rough 2011, but was competitive in 2012. Signed a highly ranked class in 2012 (sound familiar?). In 2013, we started 7-0 and were ranked in the top 10. After beating the Gators, everyone claimed "We back. Again!" Everyone new we weren't THAT good, but winning was fun and we hadn't been doing it. Even with a non-great team, Miami should dominate the Coastal, right? Anyways, like always we crashed and burned towards the end of 2013. Our recruiting class in 2013 was pretty terrible, again setting us back. Once again, was it complacency on the players' parts? Poor coaching? Both? Different players AND coaches this time, though. The negative momentum carried into 14-15. 2014-2015 were basically a blur of 2 season. Golden should have been fired after 2014 AT THE LATEST.

Soooo, Miami hires Mark Richt. A proven commodity. He comes in and makes us respectable in 2016. Then in 2017, we had a great start. 10-0 with a 15 game win streak. Beat FSU and Notre Dame in Primetime. "We back baby! Turnover Chain!!". Well. We close the season with an 0-3 slide, still signing a top 10 recruiting class, though. But then 2018 happened. We dropped off faster than the stock market in 2008. We lost games, players, and recruits every week it seemed. Momentum = gone. So for the 3rd regime, was it Complacency of the Players? Poor coaching? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON???

The point of this post? Manny will probably see some success early. How much success? Who knows. But the last 3 staffs (who we can all agree we not good) each had their "we back" moment. When Manny gets his, what will/can we do differently to try and maintain that success? How do we not taper off AGAIN.

Personally, I think it all boils down to leadership. Leaders keep their players hungry once they taste a little success. We just don't work as hard as we should. Period.
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Dont become complacency in fix your weaknesses. In all 3 of those regime we can go back and identify the main problem that would have at least kept our momentum, with richt it was the offense, with golden it was Mark d and that atrocious defense.
 
My hope here is that we haven't seen both sides of the ball aligned in mentality since seemingly forever ago. Since 2002, it seems that whenever we get our defense going, we don't have a viable QB, we're running some plodding slow scheme not well-suited to our players, or both. On the other hand, whenever we've seen our offense start to get rolling a bit, the defense falls off in intensity and we can't rely on that side of the ball.

Now, we are going to try to align all facets of our game in the same aggressive, up-tempo philosophy. I think Diaz gets it; he understands what needs to be done. Whether he can actually accomplish it is another thing, but at least for now he is taking steps that show me he at least knows where the problems are. I don't know that we can say that about other regimes. Golden brought in a DC entirely unsuited to Miami football. Richt fixed the defense via Diaz, but saddled the team with an offense unsuited to Miami football. I think Shannon understood, but just isn't a head guy, and thus the program eroded and rotted out from the top. Coker was slow to adapt to what he had post-2002, he could possibly have wrung out another title in 2003 if he'd gone to a spread O with Berlin/Gore/Hester/Winslow. We haven't had any kind of gelling of both sides of the ball since 2002!
 
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Our last 3 coaches all suffered from smartest man in the room syndrome. Well Shannon not so much. Administration wouldn't spend money for quality assistants when he was here. But Golden and Richt thought they knew it all, even though EVERYONE told them their systems weren't working and would not work. If Diaz can be flexible and willing to adapt with the game he will be successful.
 
All three were done in by the terrible staff hires they made. So, a step in the right direction would be making good staff hires. Two of the three refused to replace poorly performing staff members in key positions. One had a notebook, another had pillars, and our most recent had banked knowledge, but it was from the 1990s. It doesn't take long to figure them out. The indicators of what type of leader they will be are evident early on.

I don't know if Manny can get us back, but he is the first HC we've had since Butch to recognize that aggression is part of the fabric of our program. At the end of the day though, like all the others, he'll be measured by the personnel decisions he makes.
 
umhurricane2511 said:
3 straight coaching staffs, 3 straight failures.

All 3 had similar upward trajectories in the beginning, yet failed to maintain. This resulted in the bottom falling out.

Shannon had a rough 07, then showed flashes in 08. We signed the #1 class in the nation in 08 as well. The start of 09 (after beating OU), everyone said "We back". However, we didn't maintain that momentum. Call it complacency on the players' parts, poor coaching, etc, but we crashed and burned in 2010 with a talented roster. Our 09 and 10 recruiting classes were NOT good, setting us back depth wise.

Enter Golden. Had a rough 2011, but was competitive in 2012. Signed a highly ranked class in 2012 (sound familiar?). In 2013, we started 7-0 and were ranked in the top 10. After beating the Gators, everyone claimed "We back. Again!" Everyone new we weren't THAT good, but winning was fun and we hadn't been doing it. Even with a non-great team, Miami should dominate the Coastal, right? Anyways, like always we crashed and burned towards the end of 2013. Our recruiting class in 2013 was pretty terrible, again setting us back. Once again, was it complacency on the players' parts? Poor coaching? Both? Different players AND coaches this time, though. The negative momentum carried into 14-15. 2014-2015 were basically a blur of 2 season. Golden should have been fired after 2014 AT THE LATEST.

Soooo, Miami hires Mark Richt. A proven commodity. He comes in and makes us respectable in 2016. Then in 2017, we had a great start. 10-0 with a 15 game win streak. Beat FSU and Notre Dame in Primetime. "We back baby! Turnover Chain!!". Well. We close the season with an 0-3 slide, still signing a top 10 recruiting class, though. But then 2018 happened. We dropped off faster than the stock market in 2008. We lost games, players, and recruits every week it seemed. Momentum = gone. So for the 3rd regime, was it Complacency of the Players? Poor coaching? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON???

The point of this post? Manny will probably see some success early. How much success? Who knows. But the last 3 staffs (who we can all agree we not good) each had their "we back" moment. When Manny gets his, what will/can we do differently to try and maintain that success? How do we not taper off AGAIN.

Personally, I think it all boils down to leadership. Leaders keep their players hungry once they taste a little success. We just don't work as hard as we should. Period.
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Clemson did.
Took Dabo almost ten years to get this team where he wants, and CFB Champs in 2016, and again now.

It does not happen in 3 years as Kirby Smart can attest.

Good recruiting and KNOWING when to pull the trigger are hallmarks of good Coaches.
Hopefully Manny fits the bill for our Canes, and can reach and attain the Elite status we all look for.
Maintaining success is the key. Very hard to do., except for Saban.
 
umhurricane2511 said:
3 straight coaching staffs, 3 straight failures.

All 3 had similar upward trajectories in the beginning, yet failed to maintain. This resulted in the bottom falling out.

Shannon had a rough 07, then showed flashes in 08. We signed the #1 class in the nation in 08 as well. The start of 09 (after beating OU), everyone said "We back". However, we didn't maintain that momentum. Call it complacency on the players' parts, poor coaching, etc, but we crashed and burned in 2010 with a talented roster. Our 09 and 10 recruiting classes were NOT good, setting us back depth wise.

Enter Golden. Had a rough 2011, but was competitive in 2012. Signed a highly ranked class in 2012 (sound familiar?). In 2013, we started 7-0 and were ranked in the top 10. After beating the Gators, everyone claimed "We back. Again!" Everyone new we weren't THAT good, but winning was fun and we hadn't been doing it. Even with a non-great team, Miami should dominate the Coastal, right? Anyways, like always we crashed and burned towards the end of 2013. Our recruiting class in 2013 was pretty terrible, again setting us back. Once again, was it complacency on the players' parts? Poor coaching? Both? Different players AND coaches this time, though. The negative momentum carried into 14-15. 2014-2015 were basically a blur of 2 season. Golden should have been fired after 2014 AT THE LATEST.

Soooo, Miami hires Mark Richt. A proven commodity. He comes in and makes us respectable in 2016. Then in 2017, we had a great start. 10-0 with a 15 game win streak. Beat FSU and Notre Dame in Primetime. "We back baby! Turnover Chain!!". Well. We close the season with an 0-3 slide, still signing a top 10 recruiting class, though. But then 2018 happened. We dropped off faster than the stock market in 2008. We lost games, players, and recruits every week it seemed. Momentum = gone. So for the 3rd regime, was it Complacency of the Players? Poor coaching? WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON???

The point of this post? Manny will probably see some success early. How much success? Who knows. But the last 3 staffs (who we can all agree we not good) each had their "we back" moment. When Manny gets his, what will/can we do differently to try and maintain that success? How do we not taper off AGAIN.

Personally, I think it all boils down to leadership. Leaders keep their players hungry once they taste a little success. We just don't work as hard as we should. Period.
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OP, did you really need to recap the last 15 years, as if it needed clarification? You think some might have missed it?
 
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The real issue is our institution isn't interested in football success. It is just holding its breath and crossing its fingers that it gets lucky enough that a new staff wins enough to avoid the spotlight returning to failure. As a result, the AD ignores the flaws and issues that emerge, and hides behind typical bureaucratic support the coach speak. There’s nothing surprising about the bureaucratic speak, but what has been lacking is an AD who actually pushes our HC to make changes and improve the program, before it’s too late and fans are flying banners. Blake James is never going to be that guy. He’s just not a football guy. And again, the institutional mindset isn’t to push for success, but rather to avert its gaze and hope failure doesn’t come too fast. We will never win with that approach. Certainly not when we consistently hire unproven coaches, and even people who have never been a head coach.
 
Manny should bring MUCH NEEDED energy to the program for whatever that's worth. Hoping it's contagious around the building, in the weight room, at practice, during games, and on the trail. Our entire staff needs to bring that dog every day.
 
Those "we back' seasons were all fluky when you actually watched most of the games. We struggled to beat the weaker team on a consistent basis. We'll be back in my eyes when we look like we don't belong on the same field as most of these ACC teams especially the coastal. We should only struggle with FSU (Rival), Clemson (#1 team) and VT (very well coach, talented more often then not).

Another thing I notice is after solid season the players tut their own horn all off-season thinking they've made it. Hyping up the fans like they are about to go on some championship run then they turn out to be frauds. Happens every time.
 
RECRUITING....IS THE 1 ONE BESIDES WINNING, ......TWO WORDS WINNING AND RECRUITING.......PERIOD
 
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