The read option

[Thommy30w]

We run zero read option, the qb isn't keeping it. The only version we run is BK will pull it and throw a flat pass. No defense end in the world believes Kayaa will keep the ball.

As for teams running it to make up for talent, Urban Meyer is one of the og's of the zone read , it's a staple of his offense . Last time I checked he has talent.

It had nothing to do with talent or lack thereof , it's common sense football . It takes the DE/ olb out of the run game . If he comes down too hard the qb pulls it out.

Btw, Alabama ran it a bunch last year .

Our fanbase continues to live in the past. Pro style, 4-3 defense and Miami guys on the staff.

Our fanbase is the balding 45 year old, still wearing his letterman jacket, talking about all his td's and **** he got in HS.

It's ok to actually out scheme people, the days of lining up in pro form all game are dead , move on.

Everything that is old is new again. Lot of different ways to win. I dont think one scheme is the magic bullet for Miami. But then again I am over 45 and remember when teams ran this stuff the last go around.

I'm 37, so I'm not too far behind ya.

People who use " gimmick" no nothing about these schemes or the principles. They're the offensive equivent of gumbo.

They use principles from Air coryell, west coast offense , Lavelle Edwards , single wing, wishbone and veer. At the end of the day it's the same old football,just using different formations , bigger splits by ol and tempo.

The wishbone qb has been reading de's for a 100 years, is that gimmick? Single wing has been around forever, is that gimmick ? But the zone read is? Gotcha.

Why would you knock an offense that uses every advantage there is , and makes defending harder?

I am not knocking the read option or the spread. I think there are many different ways to win. Look at what Harbaugh does with his offense? I dont think that running a read option or spread is the magic bullet for our offense. If we can get a coach that run the read option effectively, great. But to me, its not the scheme but how we run that matters. So whatever we can run best I am all for it.

 

[Cribby]

We run zero read option, the qb isn't keeping it. The only version we run is BK will pull it and throw a flat pass. No defense end in the world believes Kayaa will keep the ball.

As for teams running it to make up for talent, Urban Meyer is one of the og's of the zone read , it's a staple of his offense . Last time I checked he has talent.

It had nothing to do with talent or lack thereof , it's common sense football . It takes the DE/ olb out of the run game . If he comes down too hard the qb pulls it out.

Btw, Alabama ran it a bunch last year .

Our fanbase continues to live in the past. Pro style, 4-3 defense and Miami guys on the staff.

Our fanbase is the balding 45 year old, still wearing his letterman jacket, talking about all his td's and **** he got in HS.

It's ok to actually out scheme people, the days of lining up in pro form all game are dead , move on.

Everything that is old is new again. Lot of different ways to win. I dont think one scheme is the magic bullet for Miami. But then again I am over 45 and remember when teams ran this stuff the last go around.

I'm 37, so I'm not too far behind ya.

People who use " gimmick" no nothing about these schemes or the principles. They're the offensive equivent of gumbo.

They use principles from Air coryell, west coast offense , Lavelle Edwards , single wing, wishbone and veer. At the end of the day it's the same old football,just using different formations , bigger splits by ol and tempo.

The wishbone qb has been reading de's for a 100 years, is that gimmick? Single wing has been around forever, is that gimmick ? But the zone read is? Gotcha.

Why would you knock an offense that uses every advantage there is , and makes defending harder?

I am not knocking the read option or the spread. I think there are many different ways to win. Look at what Harbaugh does with his offense? I dont think that running a read option or spread is the magic bullet for our offense. If we can get a coach that run the read option effectively, great. But to me, its not the scheme but how we run that matters. So whatever we can run best I am all for it.

Wasn't say you were , if anything I was agreeing with your point about " everything old becomes new again"

 

[Thommy30w]

We run zero read option, the qb isn't keeping it. The only version we run is BK will pull it and throw a flat pass. No defense end in the world believes Kayaa will keep the ball.

As for teams running it to make up for talent, Urban Meyer is one of the og's of the zone read , it's a staple of his offense . Last time I checked he has talent.

It had nothing to do with talent or lack thereof , it's common sense football . It takes the DE/ olb out of the run game . If he comes down too hard the qb pulls it out.

Btw, Alabama ran it a bunch last year .

Our fanbase continues to live in the past. Pro style, 4-3 defense and Miami guys on the staff.

Our fanbase is the balding 45 year old, still wearing his letterman jacket, talking about all his td's and **** he got in HS.

It's ok to actually out scheme people, the days of lining up in pro form all game are dead , move on.

Everything that is old is new again. Lot of different ways to win. I dont think one scheme is the magic bullet for Miami. But then again I am over 45 and remember when teams ran this stuff the last go around.

I'm 37, so I'm not too far behind ya.

People who use " gimmick" no nothing about these schemes or the principles. They're the offensive equivent of gumbo.

They use principles from Air coryell, west coast offense , Lavelle Edwards , single wing, wishbone and veer. At the end of the day it's the same old football,just using different formations , bigger splits by ol and tempo.

The wishbone qb has been reading de's for a 100 years, is that gimmick? Single wing has been around forever, is that gimmick ? But the zone read is? Gotcha.

Why would you knock an offense that uses every advantage there is , and makes defending harder?

I am not knocking the read option or the spread. I think there are many different ways to win. Look at what Harbaugh does with his offense? I dont think that running a read option or spread is the magic bullet for our offense. If we can get a coach that run the read option effectively, great. But to me, its not the scheme but how we run that matters. So whatever we can run best I am all for it.

Wasn't say you were , if anything I was agreeing with your point about " everything old becomes new again"

Yeah. Not a lot new in football. I think those signs that Chip Kelly started are new. Of course I just watched the Paul Brown football life and learned he was trying to use helmet radios way back in the day.

 

[TerragonSix]

Any offense works if you have the right personnel.

Take GT for example. They've run that same goddamned triple option (now with a little bit of read option) for as long as I can remember watching them.

The offensive line throws good cut blocks, their RB's and QB does exactly what is expected of them.

Other than the Miami Hurricanes, the only team I sort of like to watch is Georgia Tech. They are using a system that was cutting edge in the 1960's, and guess what? It still works.

Now, take us for example. Our offensive line doesn't do what it is supposed to do. Now I don't care what kind of offense you have. If your offensive line FAILS, then you don't have an offense.

A pro-style offense still works in college football. What I would do is occasionally incorporate a little uptempo. That's about it.

New wrinkles occur in football all the time. In pro football, the most dominant defense to ever take the field was the 1977 Atlanta Falcons (Grits Blitz) Not easy to throw the ball when you have ten guys are blitzing every play, lol.

Defenses adapt.

Don't get caught up too much in schemes. The right coaches, right personnel make all the difference. SMU in the 80's exploded with the option, but keep in mind they also had Eric ****erson and Craig James as the two backs.

 

[TheMatador]

Better yet - why can't we stop it? I think UNC could have run the read option every play and done just as well. It's as if we weren't prepared for it.

Truth. A couple of times we had a guy there, but it looked like they didn't know what to do... just stood there while the qb went right by.

Yep and that's the crux of the problem - guys weren't sure who to take. Usually after those long read option runs there was usually someone like bush or Artie or grace in the face of another defender because someone messed up. I have never seen a defense where there was so much miscommunication.


There were a couple of times where defensive guys on the sidelines were so incensed with teammates missing assignments that they had to be restraines

And that's what kills me about it too... where are all these hybrid OLB/DE types that this defense is supposed to highlight? D'NOs "specialty" is EXACTLY where the problem is. There is no gap to read at that point. He's right there in front of you! HIT HIM! **** it!

He's got guys afraid to make a "mistake" tackle for a loss.

My impression is that you don't play rope-a-dope with the QB--you attack and tackle him as early as possible in the play, forcing him to pitch early. That was my impression of how we used to attack the wishbone back in the day. Is the read option all that different? We always have some guy out there dancing around trying to figure out what the QB is going to do. I think whoever that is should be attacking the QB, not dancing and trying to figure him out. There should be somebody else assigned to the pitch man. Every time we've gotten beat on that play it seems a WR is in the face of the CB who cannot make the tackle on the pitch man. From the way the older Nebraska option and Oklahoma wishbones were defended, there should be another player, maybe an OLB out there covering one of the options. Maybe the OLB takes the QB and tries to force him to make a decision early, and the safety is on the pitch man.

I'm no expert, just wondering about this. Seems we have no concept of defense for that play. After getting beat by it earlier in the season, you'd think D'Onofrio would teach the kids how to play it, unless they are in the wrong defense entirely and they have no chance. I think this has got to be a coordinator problem, rather than lack of athletic ability or mistakes by our defensive players.

 

[TheMatador]

We run zero read option, the qb isn't keeping it. The only version we run is BK will pull it and throw a flat pass. No defense end in the world believes Kayaa will keep the ball.

As for teams running it to make up for talent, Urban Meyer is one of the og's of the zone read , it's a staple of his offense . Last time I checked he has talent.

It had nothing to do with talent or lack thereof , it's common sense football . It takes the DE/ olb out of the run game . If he comes down too hard the qb pulls it out.

Btw, Alabama ran it a bunch last year .

Our fanbase continues to live in the past. Pro style, 4-3 defense and Miami guys on the staff.

Our fanbase is the balding 45 year old, still wearing his letterman jacket, talking about all his td's and **** he got in HS.

It's ok to actually out scheme people, the days of lining up in pro form all game are dead , move on.

I think one of the reasons they recruited Rosier was to provide an alternative to the pure pocket passer in our game. he was supposed to give us a change of pace, I thought. A guy who could be a real run-pass option. He never plays, though. Unless Kaaya is hurt. Maybe he should be utilized more. He could probably run the read option or whatever else takes advantage of a mobile throwing QB.

 

[plantcity3]

Better yet - why can't we stop it? I think UNC could have run the read option every play and done just as well. It's as if we weren't prepared for it.

Truth. A couple of times we had a guy there, but it looked like they didn't know what to do... just stood there while the qb went right by.

Yep and that's the crux of the problem - guys weren't sure who to take. Usually after those long read option runs there was usually someone like bush or Artie or grace in the face of another defender because someone messed up. I have never seen a defense where there was so much miscommunication.


There were a couple of times where defensive guys on the sidelines were so incensed with teammates missing assignments that they had to be restraines

And that's what kills me about it too... where are all these hybrid OLB/DE types that this defense is supposed to highlight? D'NOs "specialty" is EXACTLY where the problem is. There is no gap to read at that point. He's right there in front of you! HIT HIM! **** it!

He's got guys afraid to make a "mistake" tackle for a loss.

I'm no expert, just wondering about this. Seems we have no concept of defense for that play. After getting beat by it earlier in the season, you'd think D'Onofrio would teach the kids how to play it, unless they are in the wrong defense entirely and they have no chance. I think this has got to be a coordinator problem, rather than lack of athletic ability or mistakes by our defensive players.

My thoughts exactly

 

[Coach Macho]

We always look completely unprepared for the read/option on defense.

There was one play Saturday where the QB and the RB could've scored. The QB kept it and ran it in for a short score but nobody was on the RB either. Both could've walked into the endzone. SMH

 

[AUcane]

We always look completely unprepared for the read/option on defense.

There was one play Saturday where the QB and the RB could've scored. The QB kept it and ran it in for a short score but nobody was on the RB either. Both could've walked into the endzone. SMH

Yes! At times we were not close to either guy! Kind of amazing.

 

[Canez1]

Say goodbye to the kid I think will be the best QB we have had in over a decade and possibly going all the way back to Kosar since he reminds me of him if we hire a coach that isn't pro style minded.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

We always look completely unprepared for the read/option on defense.

There was one play Saturday where the QB and the RB could've scored. The QB kept it and ran it in for a short score but nobody was on the RB either. Both could've walked into the endzone. SMH

Precisely why Ga Tech is going to run all over us despite not being that great this year.

 

[DMoney]

I don't like the read option for Miami. There are too many good receivers down here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a passing spread, but I don't want to be recruiting QBs whose primary skill is running.

 

[Cribby]

I don't like the read option for Miami. There are too many good receivers down here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a passing spread, but I don't want to be recruiting QBs whose primary skill is running.

Who said the qb had to be a " running qb"?

Not even saying run it as your offense scheme , but it's stealing yards if you run it 4-5 times a game . It's impossible to stop of you sprinkle it in.

Just have a qb that's a decent athlete , not a statue like Kayaa

 

[gfer1988]

Why can't we find an oc who can run it? All the elite offenses other than whack a bama run it. We need to update our offense. Pocket passing is great but it just isn't the best offense now a days.

I know kaaya can't run it so.....

we're constantly running read option. but our play designs are pretty bad and when you abuse read option with a qb that's not mobile it doesn't catch defenses off guard.

 

[AUcane]

I don't like the read option for Miami. There are too many good receivers down here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a passing spread, but I don't want to be recruiting QBs whose primary skill is running.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I'm sure we can find SOME QB out there who is a natural passer and isn't a stiff.

 

[jackedaround]

I don't like the read option for Miami. There are too many good receivers down here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a passing spread, but I don't want to be recruiting QBs whose primary skill is running.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I'm sure we can find SOME QB out there who is a natural passer and isn't a stiff.

that is my biggest gripe. dmoney - care to tell me why our QB cant dive for a loose ball? if he is that concerned about an injury get the **** out of the game.

 

[Coach Macho]

Say goodbye to the kid I think will be the best QB we have had in over a decade and possibly going all the way back to Kosar since he reminds me of him if we hire a coach that isn't pro style minded.

Who? Kaaya?

 

[Coach Macho]

I could care less if we run the read/option, as long as we run an innovative spread then I'm happy.

The read/option can easily be installed if we happen to sign a kid who's mobile. Shoot, we could've ran it successfully with Morse. We actually utilized with Jacory years ago and had a little success off of it.

 

[Cribby]

I could care less if we run the read/option, as long as we run an innovative spread then I'm happy.

The read/option can easily be installed if we happen to sign a kid who's mobile. Shoot, we could've ran it successfully with Morse. We actually utilized with Jacory years ago and had a little success off of it.

That's the way I see it. I'd just like something innovative

 

[DMoney]

I don't like the read option for Miami. There are too many good receivers down here. That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a passing spread, but I don't want to be recruiting QBs whose primary skill is running.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I'm sure we can find SOME QB out there who is a natural passer and isn't a stiff.

I'm saying I don't want to build our offense around it. A few times with the right quarterback? Of course. We already have it in our playbook for Malik.