The Racial Issue

[HurricaneU]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You are failing to see the actual premise though. They didn't fire Randy b/c he was black. They fired him bc they perceived he didn't know what he was doing.

But Al, despite a worse record than Randy after the same amount of time, is for some reason given the benefit of the doubt b/c he "speaks well" and "represents the university".

This isn't about firing Randy, its about not firing the white guy who is no different from Randy.

Didn't I just say the same thing?

 

[NVA CANE]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You are failing to see the actual premise though. They didn't fire Randy b/c he was black. They fired him bc they perceived he didn't know what he was doing.

But Al, despite a worse record than Randy after the same amount of time, is for some reason given the benefit of the doubt b/c he "speaks well" and "represents the university".

This isn't about firing Randy, its about not firing the white guy who is no different from Randy.

This is correct.

 

[Billy D Williams]

If only the geniuses on CIS could realize that the people pushing the race card right now were some of the biggest Shannon haters. If only the geniuses would realize the premise of this argument.

Don't think race is the reason Golden still here, but FYI, from this side of the fence given current and American experience, when all things equal and results different, our explanation is "mostly" racial. That said all the coaches, Butch or Schiano, are white. The only Black coach I will be pleased with is Pep Hamilton (OC Indy).

 

[Shogungts]

Let me start off by saying that I want Golden gone and think he deserves to be fired, but this is not an apples to apples comparison.

The people playing the race card are comparing records and years, but conveniently leaving out that the team was arguably in a better situation when Shannon took over and that Randy did not have to deal with the NCAA (that is not arguable). To say that the latter did not have an affect on team is just wrong. Now, do I think that Golden has underperformed and should be let go at the end of the season regardless of the status of the team he took over and the NCAA mess, abso-f-ing-lutely, but one can't just compare records and say the only thing that is different is their skin color while overlooking other differences.

The same thing can apply to the argument that UF fired Muschamp. That camp is stretching it even more as UF did not have the NCAA mess and the team Muschamp took over was in a much better place than the one Golden took over.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Randy should have been fired. The numbers were not good.

Golden has done slightly worse, and should be fired, as his numbers likewise are not good.

Now. What's good for one coach, who happened to be black should be good for the other coach who is identical, but happens to be white.

 

[Thoughtsoncanes]

Why Randy and not Al? #NAACP

 

[caneaddict]

maybe apples to apples would be plaYING UCF IN ST PETERSBURG AND LOSING? its possible

 

[EmCane]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You are failing to see the actual premise though. They didn't fire Randy b/c he was black. They fired him bc they perceived he didn't know what he was doing.

But Al, despite a worse record than Randy after the same amount of time, is for some reason given the benefit of the doubt b/c he "speaks well" and "represents the university".

This isn't about firing Randy, its about not firing the white guy who is no different from Randy.

This is correct.

No it is not. Circumstances are different. Like it or not, Shannon did not deal with an NCAA investigation. We all believe that we were let off fairly easily, and we don't know how much Golden influenced that. It seems fund raising is up and that aspect of the job, Golden seems to excel at. At the end of the day, I want Golden gone because his football philosophy does not fit with UM "natural resources" and thus our team is greatly under-performing. But to say Shannon and Golden are "no different" at the job of HC is myopic. Golden is a ****** football coach with excellent organizational skills, Shannon sucked at both.

 

[DerekDohrman]

i hate the race thing with all of this because i think it cheapens actual racial issues that still exist in this country. guys are running around using this as some tool to get a football coach they dont like fired.

meanwhile most perpetuate TRUE racial injustice & inequality every single day in america. yet, to hear them tell it, it only exists when their favorite football team isn't winning.

 

[FullyERicht]

Let me start off by saying that I want Golden gone and think he deserves to be fired, but this is not an apples to apples comparison.

The people playing the race card are comparing records and years, but conveniently leaving out that the team was arguably in a better situation when Shannon took over and that Randy did not have to deal with the NCAA (that is not arguable). To say that the latter did not have an affect on team is just wrong. Now, do I think that Golden has underperformed and should be let go at the end of the season regardless of the status of the team he took over and the NCAA mess, abso-f-ing-lutely, but one can't just compare records and say the only thing that is different is their skin color while overlooking other differences.

The same thing can apply to the argument that UF fired Muschamp. That camp is stretching it even more as UF did not have the NCAA mess and the team Muschamp took over was in a much better place than the one Golden took over.

You could make a million excuses for Randy too.....Randy took over a team that was out of control off the field. He lost the Orange Bowl which may have hurt recruiting. He was a first time coach maybe he needed more time to learn. On and on we can play this game. The reality is Al Golden was hired to win titles here. Instead he has us as bad or worse from where we started when he got here. If he's not fired it reeks of prejudice.

 

[callmetrip]

i hate the race thing with all of this because i think it cheapens actual racial issues that still exist in this country. guys are running around using this as some tool to get a football coach they dont like fired.

meanwhile most perpetuate TRUE racial injustice & inequality every single day in america. yet, to hear them tell it, it only exists when their favorite football team isn't winning.

Derek, excellent my friend.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You lie. There's no way MSNBC is still on the air. They had less viewers than a nooner against Wake.

 

[Duvalco.Cane]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

As do I....agree that it should be results based, not race based. But, I would rather be true to myself rather than blindly towing the line of political correctness for the sake of saving the feelings of the nameless and faceless. Al Golden should be fired based on having the exact or *gasp* worse record of his predecessor that was fired for such record. If he is not fired for producing the same results, then answers need to be given as to why?

May I dispatch of the issue of job responsibilities of a HC extrinsic the playing field? I do realize that a HC's responsibilities are not limited to the football field. He must be an ambassador for the university. He must cultivate and nurture his kids' character...be a leader of men, lead by example. He must be the mouth-piece for the university, must communicate/reiterate the school's core message. While Shannon's use of the King James' English left a lot to be desired, one could reasonably argue that Shannon receives positive marks for everything else on the above list (Shannon had what-two kids arrested in 4 years? Marve breaking a car mirror/Arthur Brown arguing with his GF?)...Remember giving Shannon **** for teaching the kids to take off their hats and hold open doors? Golden "speaks well" and is a good "face" for the program. However, when it comes to everything else on the above list, one could reasonably argue that Golden receives negative marks, in that we've had many players getting arrested/kicked off of the team. Moreover, the attrition of our student-athletes has been nothing short of spell-binding. Conclusion? A wash...and that's being really, really generous in Golden's favor, being as though "speaking well" is subjective....ever heard Jimbo, Les-ANY COACH FROM THE SOUTH- speak??? I mean...C'mon. Furthermore, Golden should be better polished in this area being as though he has been a HC for years before taking the Miami gig.

 

[Scoot Scoot]

Randy may have basis for a lawsuit if Golden isn't gone in a couple weeks.

It is, what it is.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

the whole race thing is stupid and not even funny anymore.

**** that...push the ****ing issue. If this is what it takes to get this SOB out of here...where do I sign the petition?

There IS a petition on Change.org calling for the university to do SOMETHING about our dying football program and these crummy cheap hire coaches. Got an email from them last night.

 

[NVA CANE]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You are failing to see the actual premise though. They didn't fire Randy b/c he was black. They fired him bc they perceived he didn't know what he was doing.

But Al, despite a worse record than Randy after the same amount of time, is for some reason given the benefit of the doubt b/c he "speaks well" and "represents the university".

This isn't about firing Randy, its about not firing the white guy who is no different from Randy.

This is correct.

No it is not. Circumstances are different. Like it or not, Shannon did not deal with an NCAA investigation. We all believe that we were let off fairly easily, and we don't know how much Golden influenced that. It seems fund raising is up and that aspect of the job, Golden seems to excel at. At the end of the day, I want Golden gone because his football philosophy does not fit with UM "natural resources" and thus our team is greatly under-performing. But to say Shannon and Golden are "no different" at the job of HC is myopic. Golden is a ****** football coach with excellent organizational skills, Shannon sucked at both.

The circumstances Shannon and Golden stepped into did not prevent them from winning the Coastal in 4 years. Thats the reality. They have the same exact record yet Shannon's strength of schedule exceeds that of Golden's. Either the school wants to win or not, If they want to win, then the decision is easy, fire Al Golden. If they don't want to win then they should have kept Randy Shannon. There is clearly something else being factored into their decision of supporting Golden and its not the NCAA issue.

 

[cummon sense]

Black coaches don't get second chances


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ootball-coaches-don-t-get-second-chances.html

 

[UMFarArcher]

Feel like I'm logging into MSNBC for a daily dose of mob rage with all the social injustice talk.

Is there merit to some of the arguments about race being a factor? Yeah, probably. Doesn't change the fact Shannon needed to go as does Al.

Both coaches fail/ed to get the job done. End of story.

Results not race.

You are failing to see the actual premise though. They didn't fire Randy b/c he was black. They fired him bc they perceived he didn't know what he was doing.

But Al, despite a worse record than Randy after the same amount of time, is for some reason given the benefit of the doubt b/c he "speaks well" and "represents the university".

This isn't about firing Randy, its about not firing the white guy who is no different from Randy.

This is correct.

No it is not. Circumstances are different. Like it or not, Shannon did not deal with an NCAA investigation. We all believe that we were let off fairly easily, and we don't know how much Golden influenced that. It seems fund raising is up and that aspect of the job, Golden seems to excel at. At the end of the day, I want Golden gone because his football philosophy does not fit with UM "natural resources" and thus our team is greatly under-performing. But to say Shannon and Golden are "no different" at the job of HC is myopic. Golden is a ****ty football coach with excellent organizational skills, Shannon sucked at both.

Golden hasn't "dealt" with an NCAA investigation, either. He never could comment, he wasn't part of the NCAA/UM process, and finally - he is to lose 9 scholarships over three years.

Let's see. Between players transferring to get the **** out of here, others pounding drunk girls and getting kicked out, and another plethora of annual problems, Al couldn't fill the roster if he tried. So we won't even FEEL the nine scholarship losses.

But thanks for coming, Mrs. Golden. Nice try.

 

[WhatTheHell]

That sad part is people think "they're trolling" or "it isn't funny anymore." This is real.

The fans were calling for Shannon's death at 6-4 -- I was one of them. I am now hoping to see Golden suffer a viking burial in Biscayne Bay at 6-5. The issue is a large portion of this fan base is standing up for him, saying he needs more time. These guys have performed almost identically on the field, yet it's just accepted that Golden should be given 5 years? Or that the school will give him 5 years. There's a big problem with that, especially when you consider firing Shannon was almost unanimous among fans after 10 games.

Both coaches showed they were in over their heads within 4 years, and both need to be dealt with in the same manner.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

The decision to fire Shannon came when he was 7-4. Don't think that the BOT was sitting around watching the USF game and suddenly came to the decision immediately after. The fact that he was fired within hours of losing the USF game means the decision was made while he was 7-4. Golden is sitting on a record of 6-5, there is no rational explanation as to why he has not yet been fired.

Can anyone point to an article like this highlighting Al Golden's mediocre performance?

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=acc&id=19181