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The elite prospects in the 2015 class will come around very soon. Golden just needs to stop filling up the class with borderline AAC recruits and wait until the big prospects make their decision..... There is about 5-7 players on the commit list that shouldn't be there in the 2015 class especially when this was supposed to be the elite only class... You can't be nice to everyone and take their commitment when they call... Bama doesn't, fsu doesn't, usc doesn't... With that being said I think we will see some situations like allen edouard and that wr from Dillard that committed to um and then we stopped recruiting them..
 
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Token cane said:
DHucks said:
Token cane said:
To be honest its the attitudes of the kids. Im not going to name any names from the 2015 class but a few of them are getting a little Hollywood with their attitude and are now playing the game. Some of these are kids that were thought of as Canes locks.

The other thing is they just really don't want to play here because of many different reasons.
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How many are these kids are S. Florida kids? Shaq and the other linebacker are from Jacksonville right?
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The kids that I talk about are south Florida kids who are not committed to us and from the 2015 class. I have known a lot of these kids since they were 8-9 years old and have seen a shift in their attitudes but that may not be the reason why they havent committed to us. There is the chance that a kid grows up a fan of a certain school but then as they visit other places they fall in love with those places or some may have people in their ear that are steering them in a certain direction.

Just giving a couple of examples of what is taking place in 2015.
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Hmmmmm. More details please.
 
cane since birth said:
All the 2015 kids want to announce on TV, every cycle is different
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Every cycle hasn't been different. Last few years they all have been wanting their moment on the air. Mostly ESPN lathering these kids up, but still hat games, f'n puppies are getting old amongst us, but more popular with these kids.
 
You mean like we did and missed out in 2012 lol

You only wait on 3 or 4 kids if that.....other than that whoops sorry for ya. I wouldn't feed into them games and hat tricks at all.

(Was in response to Brock. Quote didn't go thru for some reason)
 
Its simple we were playing with handcuffs that offically got off last year... This was the first full year not under the ncaa "death penalty" recruiting tactics ....
 
TrueCane100 said:
Its simple we were playing with handcuffs that offically got off last year... This was the first full year not under the ncaa "death penalty" recruiting tactics ....
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That doesn't explain why we'll have more elite talent committed for 2016 if Bruce commits to UM on Tuesday than we have for the 2015 class, which hasn't been affected by any handcuffs or clouds.
 
cane since birth said:
All the 2015 kids want to announce on TV, every cycle is different
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I kinda agree with this... Even Shaq watched the All-Star game and saw the kids committing on National Television with envy in his eyes... U really can't blame a 16 year old for wanting that attention...but I explain to Shaq he would be helping his team even before his arrival with a early commitment...(which ever school he chose). Recruiting requires alot of time, focus and attention... that is often mis-appropriated on kids that were already coming any ways... Those resources could have been spent on kids that were on the fence and end up at Alabama... I also think that Studs of a Feather stick together... If one see a team building a solid foundation... then others will come... and may be if it catches on we can witness the rebuilding of a dynasty in South Florida... However I do believe the kids need to take their time and make a sound decision... and if they are uncertain then hold out until such time they can make their best decision
 
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UknowWhat said:
cane since birth said:
All the 2015 kids want to announce on TV, every cycle is different
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I kinda agree with this... Even Shaq watched the All-Star game and saw the kids committing on National Television with envy in his eyes... U really can't blame a 16 year old for wanting that attention...but I explain to Shaq he would be helping his team even before his arrival with a early commitment...(which ever school he chose). Recruiting requires alot of time, focus and attention... that is often mis-appropriated on kids that were already coming any ways... Those resources could have been spent on kids that were on the fence and end up at Alabama... I also think that Studs of a Feather stick together... If one see a team building a solid foundation... then others will come... and may be if it catches on we can witness the rebuilding of a dynasty in South Florida... However I do believe the kids need to take their time and make a sound decision... and if they are uncertain then hold out until such time they can make their best decision
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Is there any other studs that we should be after up in your area or on Shaqs team?
 
Nothing. Golden is committed to recruiting these kids a couple of years earlier before the SEC and FSU do.
 
DHucks said:
What are these 2016 studs seeing that the 2015 studs aren't?

Interested to hear thoughts on this. I expect to see Papa Quarterman, Ariz, Tito, "BleakVern", Cameron, and whoever else has their ears to the ground.
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Good question for the board.

I think with 2016, we're getting on them early. Each of the kids is unique, but as far as Quaterman, he seems to have well disciplined character of the highest order. He fulfilled a dream and committed early knowing that this is where he wants to be, even if the glitz and glamour coming later will be strong. Pickney seems to have the Duke-gene in that he was born to be a Miami Hurricane. Same goes for Mullins. Allison was apparently sold on Kehoe and Coley with the academic qualities of the school just speaking to him. That's all it took to convince him and that why he's coming. For Sam Bruce, the change of scenery from anti-Miami University School to pro-Miami St. Thomas drove the point home of putting on for the city, a lost fact recently, and his Tweets speak to that newfound sense of responsibility. The hiring of Ice and more so Baez because he can currently recruit show a renewed dedication to local players and I would think a, "proper," amount of respect.

For 2015, I think the wait for the studs is a combination of things. Token mentioned that some heads may be inflating and with that comes games and ego. You have to expect that. These kids have also seen other schools. They know that there's something out there besides UM in the college world. Also, I think the fact is that style differences are starting to come into play. The studs we're waiting on are essentially all defensive prospects. Yeah Torrance Gibson isn't knocking down doors to get to us and I would think it has a lot to due with dissatisfaction with the offensive scheme and his misguided notion that he's a QB at the college level. But for guys like Irvin, Johnson, Cole, the McFaddens, and the Davis's, I think a portion of it must come back to concerns about the defense. To leave a style that you've played from Pop Warner to high school and then learn a college defense you aren't comfortable with or experienced with can be disconcerting, especially when you don't have faith that it'll work in the future. They can look at Tracy, Deon, Dallas, Rayshawn, and Carter and think, "Wow. They're doing everything right and because of the lack of pass rush the secondary is getting hung out to dry."

I think the defense needs to go through drastic improvement for them to be completely comfortable with its success and its springboard factor to the NFL before committing to play in it for 3-4 years. Just my assumptions and guesswork.
 
I agree on a lot of points Ted, but these '16s are watching the same defense that the '15s are watching.

I think the '16s are willing to come in and do whatever it takes. They're true Canes at heart. To take a quote from Golden, they seem to be motivated by the internal and not the external, whereas the '15s are vice versa, again, minus Patch.

The '16s are simply saying "f" it, that's our school, we can alter trajectory there with our talents. If we band together, we can run college football again, and remind other State of Miami talent that home is as good a place as ever to put on for.

'15s however seem to be the opposite. Not bashing them either, but stating that there seems to be a different mindset when approaching the possibility of rebuilding The U. Feeding the fam is by far the most important thing for this class and previous classes. Which is great, no complaints about being the man for your fam.

It really appears to me that this class and next class, Golden is recruiting two different sets of people. Very interesting dynamic. I'm interested to see how classes after '16s view the process.

If we win 10 games this year and win the coastal, things will be very interesting in college football. The storm will be brewing.
 
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The 2015 class is outstanding as to rbs, the area we came up short last year with just one great back out of four. 2014 oline was strong as was defense and skill positions. A lot of 2015 "studs" are skill position players and maybe that is playing in the process, but we still grabbed a real good QB despite bringing in Kaaya last year. We loaded up last year and are deep in many places. The one where we did not has overflow in 2015--RB. Maybe it in is that simple, I don't know. It is strange, but wonderful, that 2016 is just looking like a killer class with dominant leader on both sides of LOS on board so early, but note both are outside "So FL". I want these SoFl kids but have no problem taking top talent from everywhere when locals get high and mighty. Been fan a long time and a lot of our greatest came from other states and other parts of FL. THE U is an international brand of the highest level, not just a local legend. It is not and should not be limited to one county or state.

I am unhappy with on field performance by staff, but recruiting has been excellent considering everything. With the addition of 2014 class, we have more than enough talent to win any game. If staff can improve game days, 2015 will pick up some and 2016 might be epic.
 
Not to bring up "the cloud" but I think before 2016 a lot of kids both in 2015 and earlier classes discounted and eliminated Miami early when we tried to recruit them early because they didn't know our sanctions yet which is fair.

But 2016 kids we have got on early and they know nothing is hanging over the program...as a result they are not eliminating Miami early from their lists and hearing us out. And I believe that some of our staff are great recruiters and when they are allowed to jump on a prospect early and not get negatively recruited against that makes a big deal. Not making excuses for past misses but this seems like a logical point to me.
 
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The cloud is long gone now. The only thing I'm worried about, is what will the result be at the end of the season. So far Golden has been a disappointment to me personally. I'm still riding with him, but his rope is getting short IMO. Recruiting though, he's made some great strides. It'd benefit him greatly to have a double digit victory season. For obvious reasons yes, but for the well being of the brand to continue going up, it needs to happen.

I'm sure the S. Florida kids would love to see that happen as well, because I'm sure if UM would get into that double digit victory range on a perennial basis, these kids would love to stay home. SEC ain't pulling nothing out of S. Florida if UM's on field product were to change. Especially with the caliber of kids coming on board, it could change the landscape of college football more than the new playoff could.
 
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DHucks said:
I agree on a lot of points Ted, but these '16s are watching the same defense that the '15s are watching.

I think the '16s are willing to come in and do whatever it takes. They're true Canes at heart. To take a quote from Golden, they seem to be motivated by the internal and not the external, whereas the '15s are vice versa, again, minus Patch.

The '16s are simply saying "f" it, that's our school, we can alter trajectory there with our talents. If we band together, we can run college football again, and remind other State of Miami talent that home is as good a place as ever to put on for.

'15s however seem to be the opposite. Not bashing them either, but stating that there seems to be a different mindset when approaching the possibility of rebuilding The U. Feeding the fam is by far the most important thing for this class and previous classes. Which is great, no complaints about being the man for your fam.

It really appears to me that this class and next class, Golden is recruiting two different sets of people. Very interesting dynamic. I'm interested to see how classes after '16s view the process.

If we win 10 games this year and win the coastal, things will be very interesting in college football. The storm will be brewing.
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I think the difference from '15 to '16 with the defensive recruits is the '16 guys are born Hurricanes while the '15 guys, other than Patchan, aren't. Quaterman and Pickney want to be here even if the defense gives up 900 yards a game. The '15 studs want to play for a good defense.
 
This. Your point that ballers want to play on the same team as other ballers is huge. And I truly appreciate Shaq, Dionte, and Allison coming on board early because it does make a big difference.

UknowWhat said:
cane since birth said:
All the 2015 kids want to announce on TV, every cycle is different
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I kinda agree with this... Even Shaq watched the All-Star game and saw the kids committing on National Television with envy in his eyes... U really can't blame a 16 year old for wanting that attention...but I explain to Shaq he would be helping his team even before his arrival with a early commitment...(which ever school he chose). Recruiting requires alot of time, focus and attention... that is often mis-appropriated on kids that were already coming any ways... Those resources could have been spent on kids that were on the fence and end up at Alabama... I also think that Studs of a Feather stick together... If one see a team building a solid foundation... then others will come... and may be if it catches on we can witness the rebuilding of a dynasty in South Florida... However I do believe the kids need to take their time and make a sound decision... and if they are uncertain then hold out until such time they can make their best decision
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@KingLew88 said:
You mean like we did and missed out in 2012 lol

You only wait on 3 or 4 kids if that.....other than that whoops sorry for ya. I wouldn't feed into them games and hat tricks at all.

(Was in response to Brock. Quote didn't go thru for some reason)
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all im saying is dont fill the roster up with borderline mac players either. We dont need that on the team right now. If it is not their then dont reach for a prospect
 
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