Tears The Old Lady

[KANE]

Yeah, as the president of the University of Miami there was absolutely nothing she could do because that's a very powerless position. And in no way is it her job to fight for the best interests of the school's national champion football team, because, you know, "she knew the die had been cast" so that makes it totally fine not to lift a finger. (sarcasm)

You donna shills are too much, really. She's a nice lady, I get it. I met her. She IS a nice lady. But that doesn't mean she was good at her job. If you had to put a face to the last 20 years of Miami mediocrity, it would be this:

Who the fucc u calling a Donna shill? Read all of my posts on the subject dude. I hate the *****, but I am also smart enough to understand the banana republic that is Miami politics. Yeah she was the president of the Univ. of Miami… and yes dirty politicians with they own agenda, can undermine any project. She was smart enough to understand that and look for alternatives. She a democrat. She know a losing battle when she sees one. Shill?! GTFOH!

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Who the fucc u calling a Donna shill? Read all of my posts on the subject dude. I hate the *****, but I am also smart enough to understand the banana republic that is Miami politics. Yeah she was the president of the Univ. of Miami… and yes dirty politicians with they own agenda, can undermine any project. She was smart enough to understand that and look for alternatives. She a democrat. She know a losing battle when she sees one. Shill?! GTFOH!

People can't comprehend that two different things can be true at the same time.

Yes, people can choose not to like Donna Shalala...

AND

Acknowledge that David Samson and the Marlins paid off the City of Miami Commission and Mayor to break voter-approved signed contracts in order to give the Marlins the Orange Bowl, and there was nothing that any private-school president could have done to stop them...

 

[GOCANES05]

People can't comprehend that two different things can be true at the same time.

Yes, people can choose not to like Donna Shalala...

AND

Acknowledge that David Samson and the Marlins paid off the City of Miami Commission and Mayor to break voter-approved signed contracts in order to give the Marlins the Orange Bowl, and there was nothing that any private-school president could have done to stop them...

The biggest reason they built Marlins MOONDAGAL stadium was to help unemployment in they area which it did for awhile then everyone was let go to unemployment as stadium was completed.

Another reason it was built was “ build it and they will come” meaning the Cuban population NOT
They had no intention of coming, PLUS the sales tax was wanted and never removed and it never will.

A total joke of politics

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The biggest reason they built Marlins MOONDAGAL stadium was to help unemployment in they area which it did for awhile then everyone was let go to unemployment as stadium was completed.

Another reason it was built was “ build it and they will come” meaning the Cuban population NOT
They had no intention of coming, PLUS the sales tax was wanted and never removed and it never will.

A total joke of politics

I basically agree.

First, it's fairly well-established that "a stadium" does not create meaningful permanent "jobs". A couple of years of construction jobs? Sure. But almost every "stadium job" is a part-time temp employee who pulls on an apron or an "event staff" t-shirt for a couple of hours whenever home games are scheduled.

The only thing that has "created jobs" around stadiums is economic development, when someone builds a retail/dining/entertainment district around a stadium that is complementary to the usage of the stadium. Recently went to Fox Brothers BBQ at The Battery, and had to drive around for a few minutes just to find parking.

Second, the whole "Hispanics looooove baseball" thing has been oversold for so long that it's become toxic. That kind of thinking has allowed MLB and multiple Marlins owners to justify decades of poor decisions as they wait and wait and wait for "the Hispanics" to finally come out to watch the crappy team.

**** Miami politicians. I know people will cite other cities/states, but Miami politics has been a den of snakes since the 1970s. THE WORST.

 

[JD08]

People can't comprehend that two different things can be true at the same time.

Yes, people can choose not to like Donna Shalala...

AND

Acknowledge that David Samson and the Marlins paid off the City of Miami Commission and Mayor to break voter-approved signed contracts in order to give the Marlins the Orange Bowl, and there was nothing that any private-school president could have done to stop them...

We've had the same discussion over other things like Uhealth. History is going to be kind to her for it since it provides a windfall for athletics.

Should we get a new stadium that works out better than HRS and enjoy the expected success on the field, nobody will really care about the Orange Bowl.

 

[KANE]

People can't comprehend that two different things can be true at the same time.

Yes, people can choose not to like Donna Shalala...

AND

Acknowledge that David Samson and the Marlins paid off the City of Miami Commission and Mayor to break voter-approved signed contracts in order to give the Marlins the Orange Bowl, and there was nothing that any private-school president could have done to stop them...

Exactly!!!

 

[GOCANES05]

Miami at the time could have played at Joe Robbie at the time stadium while the OB was remodeled and keep the view of the open end of the OB with the palm trees and the view of downtown with the beautiful breeze off the beaches swirling around the new OB.
It could have been a new stadium with the old mystique of the OB.

But NO the city of Miami wanted nothing to do with paying.

So now we’re stuck paying a 1/2 a penny sales tax for a sport and stadium that could be played at the U and still have empty seats.

People including myself would drive by the old OB and always point it out to whoever is in your car and speak of its glorious days.
Now it’s ignored as a $500,000,000,00 plus waisted space, a lot of politicians got very rich of this .

GOCANES

 

[Pentagon Cane]

People can't comprehend that two different things can be true at the same time.

Yes, people can choose not to like Donna Shalala...

AND

Acknowledge that David Samson and the Marlins paid off the City of Miami Commission and Mayor to break voter-approved signed contracts in order to give the Marlins the Orange Bowl, and there was nothing that any private-school president could have done to stop them...

 

[KANE]

Miami at the time could have played at Joe Robbie at the time stadium while the OB was remodeled and keep the view of the open end of the OB with the palm trees and the view of downtown with the beautiful breeze off the beaches swirling around the new OB.
It could have been a new stadium with the old mystique of the OB.

But NO the city of Miami wanted nothing to do with paying.

So now we’re stuck paying a 1/2 a penny sales tax for a sport and stadium that could be played at the U and still have empty seats.

People including myself would drive by the old OB and always point it out to whoever is in your car and speak of its glorious days.
Now it’s ignored as a $500,000,000,00 plus waisted space, a lot of politicians got very rich of this .

GOCANES

And herein lies the game! It was all about the money. Always was and always will be. They screwed UM out of a home stadium, for money. Pure greed.

 

[GOCANES05]

Here’s a little tidbit:

On large projects there are friendly GC’s that have friendly subcontractors.
That operate “ you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours “ policies.
And make so much money that there able to have their own private property remodeled upgraded while the project is being built.

Of course this is all plausible deniability and alleged nothing to see here never happened.

All included in the project at no charge.

Imagine what the politicians got for awarding $500,000,000.00 to a preferred GC LMAO LOLOLOL all on taxpayer

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Here’s a little tidbit:

On large projects there are friendly GC’s that have friendly subcontractors.
That operate “ you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours “ policies.
And make so much money that there able to have their own private property remodeled upgraded while the project is being built.

Of course this is all plausible deniability and alleged nothing to see here never happened.

All included in the project at no charge.

Imagine what the politicians got for awarding $500,000,000.00 to a preferred GC LMAO LOLOLOL all on taxpayer

That was a part of the game back then, for anyone with a memory who can recall these things.

The FAKE City of Miami claim (and there's always a little truth embroidered into a massive lie) was that Hammes wasn't going to use local contractors, and the the Latin Builders Association was protesting the decision to award Hammes the primary contract.

As if Hammes was going to load up buses and import guys from Wisconsin for three years to do all of the construction work...

The reality is that Samson spread some money around and gassed up the Latin Builders Association to help with his devious scheme.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Who the fucc u calling a Donna shill? Read all of my posts on the subject dude. I hate the *****, but I am also smart enough to understand the banana republic that is Miami politics. Yeah she was the president of the Univ. of Miami… and yes dirty politicians with they own agenda, can undermine any project. She was smart enough to understand that and look for alternatives. She a democrat. She know a losing battle when she sees one. Shill?! GTFOH!

I haven’t read all your posts but if you say you’re not a shill and you’re not a fan of Donna, I will take you at your word.

Then we just have an honest disagreement about the orange bowl. I know Miami politics is a cesspool. I’m not disputing that part. I think as the president of the university of miami though, she was paid big bucks and part of her JOB was to find a way to navigate that cesspool. The Marlins obviously did so why couldn’t she? She either was too stupid to know how the game is played, or she knew and was too indifferent to fight back. Either way, it was her JOB to do something and she did nothing

 

[KANE]

I haven’t read all your posts but if you say you’re not a shill and you’re not a fan of Donna, I will take you at your word.

Then we just have an honest disagreement about the orange bowl. I know Miami politics is a cesspool. I’m not disputing that part. I think as the president of the university of miami though, she was paid big bucks and part of her JOB was to find a way to navigate that cesspool. The Marlins obviously did so why couldn’t she? She either was too stupid to know how the game is played, or she knew and was too indifferent to fight back. Either way, it was her JOB to do something and she did nothing

Ok. Fair enough. We will just have to agree to disagree, here. She knew enough not to get in the mud with the pigs (corrupt Miami politicians). Cause the pigs love it in there. Like I said, as a Democrat, she could recognize a losing proposition when she saw one, and IMHO there was nothing she could have done to stop dem money hungry ******** from stealing our stadium. They wanted that land, and there wasn't a **** thing that she or anybody else could have done. Dem no good muhfuccas was eye balling that MLB TV money, and the revenue that corresponded to the amount of asses they could stuff in dem shiny new seats, to watch beisbol. Donna's JOB was to be the University of Miami's President, not the Chairperson of the "Save Our Stadium" hedge fund. They knew exactly what they wanted and how they were gonna go about getting it. So Donna bowed out and helped procure an alternative. It's not the OB, but we could do a whole lot worse.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Ok. Fair enough. We will just have to agree to disagree, here. She knew enough not to get in the mud with the pigs (corrupt Miami politicians). Cause the pigs love it in there. Like I said, as a Democrat, she could recognize a losing proposition when she saw one, and IMHO there was nothing she could have done to stop dem money hungry ******** from stealing our stadium. They wanted that land, and there wasn't a **** thing that she or anybody else could have done. Dem no good muhfuccas was eye balling that MLB TV money, and the revenue that corresponded to the amount of asses they could stuff in dem shiny new seats, to watch beisbol. Donna's JOB was to be the University of Miami's President, not the Chairperson of the "Save Our Stadium" hedge fund. They knew exactly what they wanted and how they were gonna go about getting it. So Donna bowed out and helped procure an alternative. It's not the OB, but we could do a whole lot worse.

If she were just anyone off the street, I would agree with you. But she was the president. She should be in the top 1% of the 1% in terms of abilities. I just believe in the old saying “to whom much is given, much is expected.” She was paid huge bucks and was in a position of prestige as UM’s president, and the expectation in return was for her to produce for us. She didn’t.

But maybe it’s just me. When I do performance reviews for my employees, the high producers are the ones who get things done, the low performers are the ones who have a lot of reasons and excuses. At the end of the day, what you produce is how you’re assessed. In Donna’s case, the OB went down on her watch. That’s the bottom line and that’s what she’s judged on.

Even if it was inevitable that the stadium was lost, she could have made up for it by building us a new one. She never even tried. We’ve just been renting and while HRS isn’t a bad place to be, and I enjoy that stadium, the fact is it isn’t OURS, and it’s a bad look outwardly for the program and for recruiting to have a lot of empty teal seats on TV. It took a new president and a new donor to get talks of a new stadium going. And if we build one under Frenk’s watch, he will get the credit for cleaning up his predecessor’s mistake.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I haven’t read all your posts but if you say you’re not a shill and you’re not a fan of Donna, I will take you at your word.

Then we just have an honest disagreement about the orange bowl. I know Miami politics is a cesspool. I’m not disputing that part. I think as the president of the university of miami though, she was paid big bucks and part of her JOB was to find a way to navigate that cesspool. The Marlins obviously did so why couldn’t she? She either was too stupid to know how the game is played, or she knew and was too indifferent to fight back. Either way, it was her JOB to do something and she did nothing

Stop beating your false equivalency into the ground.

What you fail to acknowledge is that Shalala HAD figured out a way to navigate that cesspool. Legally. As a representative of the primary tenant, Shalala supported the LEGAL methods of pursuing public financing, including a LEGAL ballot measure that succeeded, as well as a somewhat controversial tapping of SEPTEMBER 11TH RECOVERY FUNDING to pay for some of the work. Also, Shalala authorized UM to actually spend its own money to help out the broke-***-broke City of Miami (the City flirted with bankruptcy in the late 90s, and again during The Great Recession).

What Shalala did NOT do was to try to out-bribe David Samson and the Marlins.

But the City of Miami kept moving the goalposts.




UM (Shalala/Dee) actually SPENT UM MONEY to assist the City of Miami in fixing up the Orange Bowl:

This was approved:

This was approved (9/11 recovery money being used to fix up the Orange Bowl):

This was proposed:

This happened in 2005:

Then this happened:

No-bid contract was BAD when Hammes got it, but GOOD when Jones Lang LaSalle got it:

As mentioned earlier, the City of Miami paid $750K plus legal fees for the breach, an amount that came to about $1M:

And we KNOW what actually happened. None of that money was ever spent on the Orange Bowl. David Samson swooped in and the Mayor and Commission pocketed their bribes. Oh, the irony:

The real story is the City of Miami...BREAKING ITS PROMISES to renovate the Orange Bowl...literally for decades...

Allllllways a different rationale. Some new and exotic excuse. Always the same result.

NOTHING.

 

[KANE]

If she were just anyone off the street, I would agree with you. But she was the president. She should be in the top 1% of the 1% in terms of abilities. I just believe in the old saying “to whom much is given, much is expected.” She was paid huge bucks and was in a position of prestige as UM’s president, and the expectation in return was for her to produce for us. She didn’t.

But maybe it’s just me. When I do performance reviews for my employees, the high producers are the ones who get things done, the low performers are the ones who have a lot of reasons and excuses. At the end of the day, what you produce is how you’re assessed. In Donna’s case, the OB went down on her watch. That’s the bottom line and that’s what she’s judged on.

Even if it was inevitable that the stadium was lost, she could have made up for it by building us a new one. She never even tried. We’ve just been renting and while HRS isn’t a bad place to be, and I enjoy that stadium, the fact is it isn’t OURS, and it’s a bad look outwardly for the program and for recruiting to have a lot of empty teal seats on TV. It took a new president and a new donor to get talks of a new stadium going. And if we build one under Frenk’s watch, he will get the credit for cleaning up his predecessor’s mistake.

Bruh... we didn't own the OB. We never owned it. The city of Miami did. So how the **** was she gonna stop the CITY OF MIAMI POLITICIANS from getting their hands on city owned land and a city owned facility? How Sway?! SHe was the president of a PRIVATE university. A private university that accounts for about 12,000 students and a very small alumni footprint in the Miami metro area compared to other schools. Think for a min, man. And then you said, she could have tried to build us a new one? Where?! How?! With no money!!! No backing? No big boosters. Where was the money gonna come from? UHealth?! We cant build that ***** with legos. TF are you talking about? The bigger money didn't start to flow towards the football program until Mark Richt decided to come and coach the team. Until then we ALWAYS did things on the cheap. **** we didn't even pay the man that recruited the best team in the history of the sport. When he left.... who did we hire? His OC. when he got fired, who did we hire? .... his DC! The biggest booster during her tenure, is sitting in a **** prison cell right now. Besides, It's not the new president that's driving the stadium issue, it's the new donor that's now a multi-billionaire! ****,and he still got some hurdles to cross before it's a done deal. We're in 2023. We'll probably still be talking about a maybe having new stadium coming in 2026.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Bruh... we didn't own the OB. We never owned it. The city of Miami did. So how the **** was she gonna stop the CITY OF MIAMI POLITICIANS from getting their hands on city owned land and a city owned facility? How Sway?! SHe was the president of a PRIVATE university. A private university that accounts for about 12,000 students and a very small alumni footprint in the Miami metro area compared to other schools. Think for a min, man. And then you said, she could have tried to build us a new one? Where?! How?! With no money!!! No backing? No big boosters. Where was the money gonna come from? UHealth?! We cant build that ***** with legos. TF are you talking about? The bigger money didn't start to flow towards the football program until Mark Richt decided to come and coach the team. Until then we ALWAYS did things on the cheap. **** we didn't even pay the man that recruited the best team in the history of the sport. When he left.... who did we hire? His OC. when he got fired, who did we hire? .... his DC! The biggest booster during her tenure, is sitting in a **** prison cell right now. Besides, It's not the new president that's driving the stadium issue, it's the new donor that's now a multi-billionaire! ****,and he still got some hurdles to cross before it's a done deal. We're in 2023. We'll probably still be talking about a maybe having new stadium coming in 2026.

Fantastic post.

I would simply point out that at the time the City of Miami was fuuuuuuuucking with UM and the Orange Bowl, UM did not even own UHealth. Sadly.

 

[GOCANES05]

That was a part of the game back then, for anyone with a memory who can recall these things.

The FAKE City of Miami claim (and there's always a little truth embroidered into a massive lie) was that Hammes wasn't going to use local contractors, and the the Latin Builders Association was protesting the decision to award Hammes the primary contract.

As if Hammes was going to load up buses and import guys from Wisconsin for three years to do all of the construction work...

The reality is that Samson spread some money around and gassed up the Latin Builders Association to help with his devious scheme.

Good stuff here

 

[Felonious Monk]

If she were just anyone off the street, I would agree with you. But she was the president. She should be in the top 1% of the 1% in terms of abilities. I just believe in the old saying “to whom much is given, much is expected.” She was paid huge bucks and was in a position of prestige as UM’s president, and the expectation in return was for her to produce for us. She didn’t.

But maybe it’s just me. When I do performance reviews for my employees, the high producers are the ones who get things done, the low performers are the ones who have a lot of reasons and excuses. At the end of the day, what you produce is how you’re assessed. In Donna’s case, the OB went down on her watch. That’s the bottom line and that’s what she’s judged on.

Even if it was inevitable that the stadium was lost, she could have made up for it by building us a new one. She never even tried. We’ve just been renting and while HRS isn’t a bad place to be, and I enjoy that stadium, the fact is it isn’t OURS, and it’s a bad look outwardly for the program and for recruiting to have a lot of empty teal seats on TV. It took a new president and a new donor to get talks of a new stadium going. And if we build one under Frenk’s watch, he will get the credit for cleaning up his predecessor’s mistake.

Give it up, bro. You didn't make the top 3 for the PoRster runoff.