to be fair, take Butch's last 2 years here, anything prior to that is just crazy, all the sanctions, lost ships, etc Once he got the players he was a pretty good coach, great no, but good. I would also like to point out he seems to be able to get assistants that can coach, unlike Mork, Butch's boys went pro, you really think we have an NFL coach on staff now. You think the NFL may holler at Mork, **** no they know he's lame, you cant beat UVA with all that talent why would NFL look at you, but boy they jumped on Butch. Why do people on this board ASSUME Butch has not learned anything about coaching since his first gig, thats stupidity at its finest. Mork has coached what 15 years, and still cant coach, NFL backs that