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The money has gotten obscene in college athletics

skyman said:
The players generate all this money.. they should see some of it..
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If those players elected not to suit up for that big time program because they weren't getting paid, there would be thousands of kids lined up to take their place and the same amount of money would come in. The schools are what generate the $$, the kids are very much replaceable.
 
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I think you have to separate the theory vs. the reality/practical.

What do you pay football players? How do you determine it? What does a starter get vs. a bench player? FCS vs. FBS? Ivy League? What about a walkon? What about basketball and other sports? What about womens sports? Think of the title IX issues. If college athletes are now employees/pros, what happens to their scholarships? Are they now taxable?

The law of unintended consequences is a huge factor here, and needs to be thoroughly considered.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
If this is some kind of faux-intelligent post then you nailed it. “… live like kings for four years” might be the stupidest thing I read today. Unfortunately. And, No one said anything about slavery; temper your triggers.
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But you did explicitly say that they are forced to do those things. And you would be wrong.

As for living like kings, follow a football player around Texas or Clemson or UF for a week.
 
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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
This is absurd. And, because you believe they would be lucky to get into a community college then it’s alright to treat them as second-class students?

Reciprocity and market value are totally different things. Players currently are forced to trade athletic talents for a scholarship AND LIMITED student activities. No other scholarship students have the same restrictions as athletes do.

This topic always brings out the people who hate scholarship athletes.
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Just a little bit of hyperbole being thrown around here.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Forced hasn’t negating anything except the idea that straw men won’t be built in this thread.

“Second-Class students, explain?” If you do not realize that there are restrictions placed upon scholarship athletes (and non scholarship athletes) that do not apply to the student body as a whole or even students who have NON-ATHLETIC scholarships then there’s no reason to discuss this. In short: non-athletic scholarship > athletic scholarship.
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While the athletes get academic support, nutritional & health resources, and career training that non-athletes can only dream of.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Forced hasn’t negating anything except the idea that straw men won’t be built in this thread.

“Second-Class students, explain?” If you do not realize that there are restrictions placed upon scholarship athletes (and non scholarship athletes) that do not apply to the student body as a whole or even students who have NON-ATHLETIC scholarships then there’s no reason to discuss this. In short: non-athletic scholarship > athletic scholarship.
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Straw men like claiming that people who don't want athletes to be paid must hate scholarship athletes? Because that's literally a textbook example of a straw man argument.
 
Modest? That's a ridiculous characterization of all the benefits they receive for their participation on an athletic team playing a game. Did the proletariat headquarters provide you with these talking points?

Socialist screed aside, what may happen if paying players becomes reality? If athletes are going to be paid, who chooses which players get paid? The fair market? How much? Football players get more than field hockey? Does a "basketball" school pay more for basketball players than a "football" school does? Do women get the same stipend as men? Title IV won't just go away. How many sports teams will be discontinued due to the lack of funding at smaller schools? Olympic sports get the same pay as the money makers? Of course none of this will trickle down to the high school level. It already has but at least it has been shunned and has repercussions (if caught). What happens to penalties if there are no scholarship reductions anymore? Current players pay for past players "crimes" by forfeiture or post season bans? I could go on.

The current system? Corrupt, no question. Is it fair to the players? I think so. They're not forced into anything. They get benefits beyond what any of us regular schulbs got in college. I worked my way through school and then paid back my loans. The cost of school has skyrocketed. If you want to talk about propping up something with tax dollars and policy you should focus there. But that's a discussion for an off-topic thread.
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Modest is an understatement for the revenue they generate for the school and at that level its not a game. They put their bodies on the line and the effects are felt for the rest of their lives, not counting the career ending injuries. I am yet to come across a former collegiate athlete without at least knee issues. Its not a game when their future potential earnings depends on it and they can lose it any moment. No regular student has to worry about snapping an ankle and being forced to switched majors.

And now the democratic boogeyman...whos going to build the roads without government? who decides how much an account gets paid now? why would football be any different? each school pays as much as they want for each athlete. Doesnt matter if its a basket or football school, each school pays whatever they feel is the appropriate value. Title IV is **** and has always been **** and should go away. Amateurism obviously goes out the window.

If everyone is getting paid, what penalties do you forsee? Most of scholarship reduction penalties are tied to someone getting or giving money.

As a regular schlub was your social media attacked after a bad game? family members threatened? were you able to walk around free on campus? any of you interactions with women scrutinized? dont get caught up in the glamour of what the life of a student athlete is supposed to be, those kids earn it.
 
caneworld said:
....proves that we should have thrown ton of more money at coaching hires than settling for blue light specials like Randy and Al Folden... would have been raking in millions
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Thank Shalala for those 2 knuckleheads. She had no interest in the football team succeeding at this university. So glad that she is no longer involved. We finally have a budget to use. Hopefully Blake makes the most of where to spend those funds.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
What if we didn't have college football and left those poor inner city kids to survive on their own?
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Then these kids will have to do like we are doing sir .... work and provide for their families like some of US are doing in good ole' Merica' Wink, Wink. ;)

All do with respect I study Psychology, Philosophy you can't debate or box with me !!! So stop reaching...

P.S. I notice you left out the poor Country folks as well ? :rolleyes:
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Mcanes305 said:
Modest is an understatement for the revenue they generate for the school and at that level its not a game. They put their bodies on the line and the effects are felt for the rest of their lives, not counting the career ending injuries. I am yet to come across a former collegiate athlete without at least knee issues. Its not a game when their future potential earnings depends on it and they can lose it any moment. No regular student has to worry about snapping an ankle and being forced to switched majors.

And now the democratic boogeyman...whos going to build the roads without government? who decides how much an account gets paid now? why would football be any different? each school pays as much as they want for each athlete. Doesnt matter if its a basket or football school, each school pays whatever they feel is the appropriate value. Title IV is **** and has always been **** and should go away. Amateurism obviously goes out the window.

If everyone is getting paid, what penalties do you forsee? Most of scholarship reduction penalties are tied to someone getting or giving money.

As a regular schlub was your social media attacked after a bad game? family members threatened? were you able to walk around free on campus? any of you interactions with women scrutinized? dont get caught up in the glamour of what the life of a student athlete is supposed to be, those kids earn it.
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So we are supposed to provide them with non-academic job training AND pay them for it?

As for Title IX, it's not a sports law. It's not going away.
 
321>CANES<305 said:
Then these kids will have to do like we are doing sir .... work and provide for their families like some of US are doing in good ole' Merica' Wink, Wink. ;)

All do with respect I study Psychology, Philosophy you can't debate or box with me !!! So stop reaching...

P.S. I notice you left out the poor Country folks as well ? :rolleyes:
Remove that hatred at ya heart my brother . "May peace be upon you" .... GOD BLESS. 🙏
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If we could get an English translation, it would be appreciated.

Did you have a counter point? What happens to inner city youth who don't play football?
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
What if we didn't have college football and left those poor inner city kids to survive on their own?
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You underestimate the power of the human brain...they would come up with something else to do so they can be taken advantage of....i.e the formation of rap.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
This is absurd. And, because you believe they would be lucky to get into a community college then it’s alright to treat them as second-class students?

Reciprocity and market value are totally different things. Players currently are forced to trade athletic talents for a scholarship AND LIMITED student activities. No other scholarship students have the same restrictions as athletes do.

This topic always brings out the people who hate scholarship athletes.
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Yep agreed. Outside of athletes, I bet you he believes in the free market and limited bureaucracy. I always find that funny.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
So we are supposed to provide them with non-academic job training AND pay them for it?

As for Title IX, it's not a sports law. It's not going away.
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No, amateurism goes out the window. Its already a business except its being run like the mafia. Just legitimize it. Its already being done all over Europe. Every top soccer player (and i believe their basket players also) went to some soccer or basketball school.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
It’s not lazy, it’s intelligent. I recognized that you have only stale arguments against paying athletes and that they are not based on current thinking and trending legal cases, yet you want me to entertain you? Nope. Your argument is stupid.
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I rest my case.

Current thinking? You can find the same worn out arguments in Sports Illustrated in the 1980's. College athletes aren't going to be paid.
 
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