The Heartbreaks In Recruiting That Came Back To Haunt Golden

[pb5cane]

Looking back keeping Shannon 1 more year would've been worth it to get Bridgewater. Depressing thread.

 

[5Ringz]

In the game of college football, each recruiting cycle is precious because you gotta hit on those key guys. I'm sure there are threads on this topic illustrating all of the misses over Golden's tenure, but I wanted to look at THEE guy who Golden couldn't afford to miss over each cycle as that miss came back to haunt him.

2011: Thee guy who we couldn't afford to miss here is obviously Jacoby Brissett. Brissett would have probably beaten out Stephen Morris when Jacory Harris left. Not landing Brissett set Miami back at the money position for 3 years. I believe with Brissett under center, Miami would have won the coastal last year and this year.

2012: As I think about it, it pains me deeply that Golden couldn't hit on Amari Cooper. Coming out of Miami Northwestern which is normally a pipeline for Miami. Talk about program changing talent. Can you imagine Miami having Brissett throwing to Amari Cooper? No way around it, Cooper was the can't miss 2012.

2013: Man, you have to think what if we had Alex Collins. That would have been the lethal 1-2 punch that Miami needed this year in the backfield. Lets face it, when Duke Johnson had to go against more physical defenses, he was slowed some, but if Alex Collins could have shared some of the load, we could have won those physical games against Nebraska, Louisville and FSU.

2014: Not sure what the whole story was with Travonte Valentine, even though supposedly his grades/test scores weren't that great, but Valentine was a can't miss. I know he didn't prove anything thus far at the college level, but not being able to sign this guy was damaging to the talent level of the position and IMO a set back. It is still very bothersome that LSU was able to just take him away like that. At a position that hasn't seen that "grown *** man" caliber player since Big Vince, he would have definitely made an early impact, should he have made it in. This loss is haunting Golden right now.

You left out

Dalvin Cook
Ermon Lane
Gerrod Holliman
Skkai Moore
James Burgess JR
Joey Bosa
Matthew Thomas


And so on

 

[DREW!]

Alice Goblin would have corched the 2001 team to 9-3.
Talent does not matter as long as a perennial loser is here.

 

[Klamalama]

IIRC teddy wanted to play for a black coach, right?

Thats the rumor

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nf...d/MIN/photos/all-photos/ZimmerM_Cards2014.jpg

And?

Got to get my eyes checked, but Bridgewater is playing for Zimmer, and he doesn't look black, to me. Maybe that original story wasn't factual? Maybe it was a planted excuse?

 

[drifters1234]

In the game of college football, each recruiting cycle is precious because you gotta hit on those key guys. I'm sure there are threads on this topic illustrating all of the misses over Golden's tenure, but I wanted to look at THEE guy who Golden couldn't afford to miss over each cycle as that miss came back to haunt him.

2011: Thee guy who we couldn't afford to miss here is obviously Jacoby Brissett. Brissett would have probably beaten out Stephen Morris when Jacory Harris left. Not landing Brissett set Miami back at the money position for 3 years. I believe with Brissett under center, Miami would have won the coastal last year and this year.

2012: As I think about it, it pains me deeply that Golden couldn't hit on Amari Cooper. Coming out of Miami Northwestern which is normally a pipeline for Miami. Talk about program changing talent. Can you imagine Miami having Brissett throwing to Amari Cooper? No way around it, Cooper was the can't miss 2012.

2013: Man, you have to think what if we had Alex Collins. That would have been the lethal 1-2 punch that Miami needed this year in the backfield. Lets face it, when Duke Johnson had to go against more physical defenses, he was slowed some, but if Alex Collins could have shared some of the load, we could have won those physical games against Nebraska, Louisville and FSU.

2014: Not sure what the whole story was with Travonte Valentine, even though supposedly his grades/test scores weren't that great, but Valentine was a can't miss. I know he didn't prove anything thus far at the college level, but not being able to sign this guy was damaging to the talent level of the position and IMO a set back. It is still very bothersome that LSU was able to just take him away like that. At a position that hasn't seen that "grown *** man" caliber player since Big Vince, he would have definitely made an early impact, should he have made it in. This loss is haunting Golden right now.

You left out

Dalvin Cook
Ermon Lane
Gerrod Holliman
Skkai Moore
James Burgess JR
Joey Bosa
Matthew Thomas


And so on

I'm unconvinced Bosa, Burgess, Moore, and Thomas would have done anything in our inept defensive scheme, just as Chad Thomas did nothing.

 

[Deleted User]

When Coker took over for Butch, they said Coker was handed the keys to a Ferrari, all he had to do was not crash it. If Al were handed the keys to a Ferrari, he wouldn't even take it out of the garage. He would go with the old prius(fentress) in the driveway because it gets better gas mileage and is more dependable, while he gets blown away in every race.

I've come to realize that Al's coaching philosophy is based off the story of the tortoise and the hare. He just keeps plodding along slowly, waiting for the hare to get ****y and make a mistake. Unfortunately, no one ever told Al that it's just a silly kids story that doesn't actually hold up in the real world. The tortoise doesn't go slow because he wants to, he has no ******* choice. If the tortoise could go faster, he ******* would.

 

[HurricaneForEver]

IIRC teddy wanted to play for a black coach, right?

Thats the rumor

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nf...d/MIN/photos/all-photos/ZimmerM_Cards2014.jpg

And?

Got to get my eyes checked, but Bridgewater is playing for Zimmer, and he doesn't look black, to me. Maybe that original story wasn't factual? Maybe it was a planted excuse?

Because I'm sure Teddy really has a choice where he is drafted, I think he had more of a choice of which college to choose

Unless the other 4 black NFL coaches wanted to drop their franchise QBs for Teddy

 

[DMoney]

Would've picked Cook for 2014. He's won FSU 3 games this year, including the game against us.

 

[kyle_schick]

Its pure coaching and asset utilization.

J. Clowney wouldve been a 6th-7th round pick had he played for Golden

 

[HurricaneForEver]

In the game of college football, each recruiting cycle is precious because you gotta hit on those key guys. I'm sure there are threads on this topic illustrating all of the misses over Golden's tenure, but I wanted to look at THEE guy who Golden couldn't afford to miss over each cycle as that miss came back to haunt him.

2011: Thee guy who we couldn't afford to miss here is obviously Jacoby Brissett. Brissett would have probably beaten out Stephen Morris when Jacory Harris left. Not landing Brissett set Miami back at the money position for 3 years. I believe with Brissett under center, Miami would have won the coastal last year and this year.

2012: As I think about it, it pains me deeply that Golden couldn't hit on Amari Cooper. Coming out of Miami Northwestern which is normally a pipeline for Miami. Talk about program changing talent. Can you imagine Miami having Brissett throwing to Amari Cooper? No way around it, Cooper was the can't miss 2012.

2013: Man, you have to think what if we had Alex Collins. That would have been the lethal 1-2 punch that Miami needed this year in the backfield. Lets face it, when Duke Johnson had to go against more physical defenses, he was slowed some, but if Alex Collins could have shared some of the load, we could have won those physical games against Nebraska, Louisville and FSU.

2014: Not sure what the whole story was with Travonte Valentine, even though supposedly his grades/test scores weren't that great, but Valentine was a can't miss. I know he didn't prove anything thus far at the college level, but not being able to sign this guy was damaging to the talent level of the position and IMO a set back. It is still very bothersome that LSU was able to just take him away like that. At a position that hasn't seen that "grown *** man" caliber player since Big Vince, he would have definitely made an early impact, should he have made it in. This loss is haunting Golden right now.

You left out

Dalvin Cook
Ermon Lane
Gerrod Holliman
Skkai Moore
James Burgess JR
Joey Bosa
Matthew Thomas


And so on

I'm unconvinced Bosa, Burgess, Moore, and Thomas would have done anything in our inept defensive scheme, just as Chad Thomas did nothing.

You expected Chad Thomas to have 10 sacks as 3-4 DE?

 

[cowboycane]

Let me preface by saying that I know these coaches suck and would have found a way to **** it up even if we had gotten ALL of these dudes I am about to list. But I also think that if we had gotten them all Al would have been fired already because the "no talent" excuse would be gone, and the next coach would be flush.

The Obvious Studs:

Leonard Williams - This is the biggest one. We close this, we have the college version of JJ Watt...

Amari Cooper / Travis Rudolph - Game changers

Denver Kirkland / Avery Young

Teddy Bridgewater / Ryan Shazier / Devonta Freeman - These are probably more on Randy than Al but still **** me off anyway. Also, getting Teddy probably gets us Amari...Freeman gets us Dalvin...etc.

Dalvin Cook / Sony Michel / Alex Collins - Land just one and this is an entirely different looking offense

Brandon Powell / Madre London - Needed to take 2 backs last year, and after missing on the 2 above, we could have used one of these guys

Gerrod Holliman / Travonte Valentine / Eddie Jackson - These are grades issues but COT **** what this defense would look like if we had just found a way


These are the ones that really bite us in the *** though, because they would be here if only we had tried and would immediately improve the depth on defense AND special teams:

Skai Moore
James Burgess
John Battle
Juwan Dowels
Robensen Therezie
Jabari Gorman
B.J. Dubose
Fabian Moreau
Quay Bain
Isaiah Mckenzie


I'm sure I am missing some but y'all get the point...

 

[Ayeplus]

When Coker took over for Butch, they said Coker was handed the keys to a Ferrari, all he had to do was not crash it. If Al were handed the keys to a Ferrari, he wouldn't even take it out of the garage. He would go with the old prius(fentress) in the driveway because it gets better gas mileage and is more dependable, while he gets blown away in every race.

I've come to realize that Al's coaching philosophy is based off the story of the tortoise and the hare. He just keeps plodding along slowly, waiting for the hare to get ****y and make a mistake. Unfortunately, no one ever told Al that it's just a silly kids story that doesn't actually hold up in the real world. The tortoise doesn't go slow because he wants to, he has no ****ing choice. If the tortoise could go faster, he ****ING would.

That's a **** of a breakdown of that story LOL

 

[Canesfan1899]

We were more talented than every team we played with the exception of FSU.

 

[pyhooya]

IIRC teddy wanted to play for a black coach, right?

Thats the rumor

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nf...d/MIN/photos/all-photos/ZimmerM_Cards2014.jpg

And?

Got to get my eyes checked, but Bridgewater is playing for Zimmer, and he doesn't look black, to me. Maybe that original story wasn't factual? Maybe it was a planted excuse?

Or maybe but correct me if I am wrong....In the Pros you dont really get to pick who you play for as a Rookie

 

[Ayeplus]

Would've picked Cook for 2014. He's won FSU 3 games this year, including the game against us.

Cook was definitely a blow, I agree with this. I was thinking for 2014 that Miami desperately needed to get the ball rolling on DT's for that cycle.

 

[Deleted User]

I think some people still underestimate Al Golden's ability to find new ways to lose games and misuse players.

Leonard Williams would be the world's leading patty cake player in this system. Which is nice to put on a resume and all, but not exactly a draftable skill.

 

[canesman]

Below is a list of misfits Golden was left with by Shannon his first year. Granted there were some suspensions, but there is no bigger indictment of how terrible a coach Al Golden is than going 6-5 with that kind of talent.

Seantrel Henderson
Sean Spence
Allen Hurns
Brandon Linder
Lamar Miller
Mike James
Brandon McGee
Ray Ray Armstrong
Travis Benjamin
Luther Robinson
Tommy Streeter
Olivier Vernon
Brandon Washington
Harland Gunn
Asante Cleveland
Laron Byrd

Storm Johnson (Golden ran him out of program)

 

[01Canes]

In the game of college football, each recruiting cycle is precious because you gotta hit on those key guys. I'm sure there are threads on this topic illustrating all of the misses over Golden's tenure, but I wanted to look at THEE guy who Golden couldn't afford to miss over each cycle as that miss came back to haunt him.

2011: Thee guy who we couldn't afford to miss here is obviously Jacoby Brissett. Brissett would have probably beaten out Stephen Morris when Jacory Harris left. Not landing Brissett set Miami back at the money position for 3 years. I believe with Brissett under center, Miami would have won the coastal last year and this year.

2012: As I think about it, it pains me deeply that Golden couldn't hit on Amari Cooper. Coming out of Miami Northwestern which is normally a pipeline for Miami. Talk about program changing talent. Can you imagine Miami having Brissett throwing to Amari Cooper? No way around it, Cooper was the can't miss 2012.

2013: Man, you have to think what if we had Alex Collins. That would have been the lethal 1-2 punch that Miami needed this year in the backfield. Lets face it, when Duke Johnson had to go against more physical defenses, he was slowed some, but if Alex Collins could have shared some of the load, we could have won those physical games against Nebraska, Louisville and FSU.

2014: Not sure what the whole story was with Travonte Valentine, even though supposedly his grades/test scores weren't that great, but Valentine was a can't miss. I know he didn't prove anything thus far at the college level, but not being able to sign this guy was damaging to the talent level of the position and IMO a set back. It is still very bothersome that LSU was able to just take him away like that. At a position that hasn't seen that "grown *** man" caliber player since Big Vince, he would have definitely made an early impact, should he have made it in. This loss is haunting Golden right now.

First off how can a coach miss on a kid if he brought the full house and the kid still CHOSE to go elsewhere? Brissett got the red carpet treatment and his mom wanted him at UM but he got swayed his coach who was a former gator to go to UF where he made the wrong decision obviously.

2012: Golden and staff recruited Cooper but guess what Amari Cooper is 1st cousin to Aldarius Johnson....yes the same Aldarius Johnson that got kicked off the team for lying about his involvement in the Shapiro scandal so you think when Cooper went to him for advice you think Johnson told him go to UM? Let your common sense answer that

2013 Alex Collins- Again a kid that Golden and staff recruited hard til the end but got shafted cause they didn't toss Collins coach a few dollars like Bret did.

2014- You obviously know that Valentine didn't have the freakin grades if he couldn't get enrolled into LSU. Once again ignite your common sense to think.

If you want to about players that haunted us let's talk about Shannon missing on a TON of guys that we saw excelled at other institutions like Denard Robinson, Charles Gaines, Devonta Freeman, and many many many more. Let's bring that to the forefront

First off how can a coach miss on a kid if he brought the full house and the kid still CHOSE to go elsewhere?

Because that's the business he's in. There are no rewards for trying really hard to land premier recruits. You either get the job done or you don't. Golden just went 6-6 in Year 4 despite having three consecutive top 15 classes, but his failures are not limited by any means to his atrocious win-loss record. His recruiting failures in South Florida have hurt this program as well and he needs to be held accountable.

2013 Alex Collins- Again a kid that Golden and staff recruited hard til the end but got shafted cause they didn't toss Collins coach a few dollars like Bret did.

You talk about using common sense and being a realist, but then proceed to throw out a completely baseless accusation to try to explain why we were unable to land Collins? Wow.

If you want to about players that haunted us let's talk about Shannon missing on a TON of guys

Why would anyone look back that far to discuss the state of crisis this program is in right now? There's no need to compare Shannon to Golden. They were both horrendous. One was promptly fired after a terrible fourth season on the job. The other is still employed after an even worse fourth season, an 0-4 career record vs. FSU, and yet another embarrassing late-season collapse.

 

[orange&green84]

Ummm you just named all offensive players except for Valentine.

Not a single one of those guys would have made a difference to this teams W-L record.

You don't at least think landing all 3 of Brissett, Cooper and Alex Collins wouldn't have made a difference? Miami would have at least won the coastal the last 2 years.

We have never won the coastal. What makes you think having any of those names would've made a significant difference.

 

[Klamalama]

Thats the rumor

http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nf...d/MIN/photos/all-photos/ZimmerM_Cards2014.jpg

And?

Got to get my eyes checked, but Bridgewater is playing for Zimmer, and he doesn't look black, to me. Maybe that original story wasn't factual? Maybe it was a planted excuse?

Or maybe but correct me if I am wrong....In the Pros you dont really get to pick who you play for as a Rookie

So, Teddy (a racist, as you have defined him) wanted a career and a future paycheck. Why would Louisville offer him a better chance at that future, than the Canes? Maybe he wasn't ready to buy Goldie's used car? Anyway, Teddy's alleged racism certainly provided cover for Goldie. How convenient is that?