The Freshman

[CAT5Coming]

Dan Morgan As a freshman he began pre-season camp as a fullback, went on to start 8 games at linebacker record 105 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 FF, 2nd team Freshman All American. The team had a losing record but it certainly wasn't because of a Freshman linebacker...

Ray Lewis Started just 5 games 81 tackles, 2 sacks, 2TFL, named to the freshman All-American team. Team went 10-2.

I believe and I'm hopeful Shaq, Pickney and McCloud are cut from the same cloth and LB should be a strength of our defense, especially with our DL being coached up by Kool.

 

[The Franchise]

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

Were both of them true freshman when they started at linebacker?

Why do you guys keep going off track here...

If you'd like to engage in an intelligent discussion, then please tell me why starting Pinckney over Juwon Young hurts the defense when the coaches chose to start him over Young because they think he's better. Pinckney beat Young out very quickly, and Young's a 3rd year guy who played a lot last year and even started a couple games I think.

Are you going to reply by saying "he's a freshman, so it's going to hurt the defense," or can you discuss the fact that coaches think he's better than the upperclassman? The freshmen aren't starting because there's no one else on the roster. They're starting because they beat out the veterans.

 

[MizCane]

It will be fun to watch these young bucks. If our D-line plays well it will make their jobs a little easier.

It has been a long time since we have had this much momentum and optimism as a program.

 

[rok]

Lewis
Morgan
Webster
Michael Smith
Campbell
Jarell Wevaer
Vilma

all played and played well as true freshmens iirc

 

[Calinative]

Richt is just saying that the battles haven't been won on the field, so any freshman could start at any positions (save QB). He's not a dumbass like Golden or Shannon and burning a kid's shirt for a couple of plays. He'll determine who's ready over the next 2 months and play them if they are. The rest will ride pine and have 5 to play 4.

I think its also just about depth. We honestly do not have the depth at wr to redshirt any of them. Same with LB, except for maybe McCloud if he is still injured.

Yea but you don't burn a redshirt until you play a down so essentially everyone is there for depth if need be. If they get burnt they get burnt but we don't need someone like choc come in to get 5 carries and burnt his redshirt for nothing.

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It's not for nothing. Getting freshman PT is important because they need the experience playing in front of 40k+ crowds. I'm pretty sure it was Schenlly who said that he liked to get freshman into the game so that he could see how they respond, and that it would help them grow in the future and be ready once they needed to carry a heavier work load.

As far as the Gray situation is concerned, in 2014 he and Yearby were fighting for the #3 RB slot. But Yearby won the job. Had he done a lot more with the few chances he got, he may have gotten more chances, that's just the way it works. I also don't get why so many on here act like Gray is some great player, last year he lost his job to a freshman. When Gus went down it was his time to shine, but he didn't.

This year, will Allison get a RS? It's a toss up. It might be worth it to get him PT in the first few games in case Kaaya leaves this year. And we'll be better for it in the future if he sees some action in the first couple games. Travis Home should be a RS for sure, as he'd be the 5th option at RB. Other guys I think will get a RS are Tyreic Martin, Jeff James, Tre Johnson, Irvin jr., and Jovani Haskins. I'd be surprised if any WR or DB got a RS.

 

[the storm]

I thought Grace was also mixed up in the car debacle?

 

[Disgustipated]

Darion Owens will have a say. Coaches need to find a way to get this kid involved and be a force. He is an athletic monster.

 

[sebringcanethang23]

Richt is just saying that the battles haven't been won on the field, so any freshman could start at any positions (save QB). He's not a dumbass like Golden or Shannon and burning a kid's shirt for a couple of plays. He'll determine who's ready over the next 2 months and play them if they are. The rest will ride pine and have 5 to play 4.

I think its also just about depth. We honestly do not have the depth at wr to redshirt any of them. Same with LB, except for maybe McCloud if he is still injured.

Yea but you don't burn a redshirt until you play a down so essentially everyone is there for depth if need be. If they get burnt they get burnt but we don't need someone like choc come in to get 5 carries and burnt his redshirt for nothing.

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It's not for nothing. Getting freshman PT is important because they need the experience playing in front of 40k+ crowds. I'm pretty sure it was Schenlly who said that he liked to get freshman into the game so that he could see how they respond, and that it would help them grow in the future and be ready once they needed to carry a heavier work load.

As far as the Gray situation is concerned, in 2014 he and Yearby were fighting for the #3 RB slot. But Yearby won the job. Had he done a lot more with the few chances he got, he may have gotten more chances, that's just the way it works. I also don't get why so many on here act like Gray is some great player, last year he lost his job to a freshman. When Gus went down it was his time to shine, but he didn't.

This year, will Allison get a RS? It's a toss up. It might be worth it to get him PT in the first few games in case Kaaya leaves this year. And we'll be better for it in the future if he sees some action in the first couple games. Travis Home should be a RS for sure, as he'd be the 5th option at RB. Other guys I think will get a RS are Tyreic Martin, Jeff James, Tre Johnson, Irvin jr., and Jovani Haskins. I'd be surprised if any WR or DB got a RS.

Thats idiotic. Only elite freshman, game changing freshman should see the field. That extra year can go far and help your depth guys who are going to be your redshirt seniors. If he gets passed up by more talented underclassmen then we either keep for depth or boot for better prospects. Gray which obviously could have benefited and would still be a sophomore coming up. He's been good depth and has a couple years here to do something. So lets see.

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[Calinative]

Richt is just saying that the battles haven't been won on the field, so any freshman could start at any positions (save QB). He's not a dumbass like Golden or Shannon and burning a kid's shirt for a couple of plays. He'll determine who's ready over the next 2 months and play them if they are. The rest will ride pine and have 5 to play 4.

I think its also just about depth. We honestly do not have the depth at wr to redshirt any of them. Same with LB, except for maybe McCloud if he is still injured.

Yea but you don't burn a redshirt until you play a down so essentially everyone is there for depth if need be. If they get burnt they get burnt but we don't need someone like choc come in to get 5 carries and burnt his redshirt for nothing.

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It's not for nothing. Getting freshman PT is important because they need the experience playing in front of 40k+ crowds. I'm pretty sure it was Schenlly who said that he liked to get freshman into the game so that he could see how they respond, and that it would help them grow in the future and be ready once they needed to carry a heavier work load.

As far as the Gray situation is concerned, in 2014 he and Yearby were fighting for the #3 RB slot. But Yearby won the job. Had he done a lot more with the few chances he got, he may have gotten more chances, that's just the way it works. I also don't get why so many on here act like Gray is some great player, last year he lost his job to a freshman. When Gus went down it was his time to shine, but he didn't.

This year, will Allison get a RS? It's a toss up. It might be worth it to get him PT in the first few games in case Kaaya leaves this year. And we'll be better for it in the future if he sees some action in the first couple games. Travis Home should be a RS for sure, as he'd be the 5th option at RB. Other guys I think will get a RS are Tyreic Martin, Jeff James, Tre Johnson, Irvin jr., and Jovani Haskins. I'd be surprised if any WR or DB got a RS.

Thats idiotic. Only elite freshman, game changing freshman should see the field. That extra year can go far and help your depth guys who are going to be your redshirt seniors. If he gets passed up by more talented underclassmen then we either keep for depth or boot for better prospects. Gray which obviously could have benefited and would still be a sophomore coming up. He's been good depth and has a couple years here to do something. So lets see.

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Getting TF into the game and the experience they need to succeed is not idiotic. It's smart. Let me ask you, would you rather have a TF get in the game and get experience or see one of our starters get injured in the 3rd/4th quarter of a cupcake game, all because "Only elite freshman, game changing freshman should see the field". Also how do you know if they are elite or game changing, if they never get to play in the game?

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

Were both of them true freshman when they started at linebacker?

Why do you guys keep going off track here...

If you'd like to engage in an intelligent discussion, then please tell me why starting Pinckney over Juwon Young hurts the defense when the coaches chose to start him over Young because they think he's better. Pinckney beat Young out very quickly, and Young's a 3rd year guy who played a lot last year and even started a couple games I think.

Are you going to reply by saying "he's a freshman, so it's going to hurt the defense," or can you discuss the fact that coaches think he's better than the upperclassman? The freshmen aren't starting because there's no one else on the roster. They're starting because they beat out the veterans.

This defense is in trouble if they start two true freshman at LB because that means they are weak at the LB spot. This unit will play such an important role in this scheme. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but young guys typically wear down physically and mentally as the grind continues through the meat of a conference schedule. Doing well in a spring game means nothing come September-November. Those situations are polar opposites.

This is not an indictment against them but one as it relates to that position. No matter how you slice it, it's not a good thing to have two true freshman starting as LB's. Miami's depth must be pretty bad if it shakes out this way. But then again, my guess is that both won't start, barring anything unforeseen.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Lewis
Morgan
Webster
Michael Smith
Campbell
Jarell Wevaer
Vilma

all played and played well as true freshmens iirc

How many games did two of those you listed start with another true freshman LB?

And list me the teams in college football who have been successful having two TF start at the LB position. Not play, but start throughout the season.

 

[Brooklyndee]

we all forget about Owens. hopefully he bounces back. in HS he was a monster. It's clear the 3 fresh will play along with grace, owens, and i think smith will get alot of reps.
The kid to watch out for was Charles Perry. i think he can contribute, the kid committed to us early and was solid so no one paid attention, he has talent.

I agree Charles Perry other than Grace... is arguably the most athletic LB on the roster... and Shaq has said to me that Gordinier and Mike Smith work extremely hard on and off the field... He knows they are pushing him and are capable of passing him on the depth chart... And that keeps him focused at the task at hand... I ask who he thought was better and his reply it depends on the day..

perry was a beast in HS. everyone on here says Gorinider is not athletic so who knows.

No one on here is a coach however and everyone that has seen him compete for UM (including Pete) says he's the goods so fick the couch coaches on here.

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I really don't understand the level of stupidity people on here are able to achieve. It's like everyone says well **** it,i play madden at home so I'm certified! Grasp reality here. ALL OF THESE KIDS WILL BE PLAYING IN SCHEMES YOU'VE IN MOST CASES NEVER SEEN THESE KIDS IN... THE SCHEME DRASTICALLY CHANGES PLAYERS RESULTS,ROLES & OUTPUT.So to say well such & such sucked last year & never could do this. It's completely irrelevant cause other being asked to make tackles & play on the ball nothing is the same. This defense with these same kids will be ten times better because #1 we have coaches that demand results & #2 what made these kids scholarship athletes is being embraced again & thats playing with their instincts! Watch & see how much better well be.

 

[brock]

Lewis
Morgan
Webster
Michael Smith
Campbell
Jarell Wevaer
Vilma

all played and played well as true freshmens iirc

Perryman
Sean spence too

 

[demcanes26]

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

Were both of them true freshman when they started at linebacker?

Why do you guys keep going off track here...

If you'd like to engage in an intelligent discussion, then please tell me why starting Pinckney over Juwon Young hurts the defense when the coaches chose to start him over Young because they think he's better. Pinckney beat Young out very quickly, and Young's a 3rd year guy who played a lot last year and even started a couple games I think.

Are you going to reply by saying "he's a freshman, so it's going to hurt the defense," or can you discuss the fact that coaches think he's better than the upperclassman? The freshmen aren't starting because there's no one else on the roster. They're starting because they beat out the veterans.

This defense is in trouble if they start two true freshman at LB because that means they are weak at the LB spot. This unit will play such an important role in this scheme. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but young guys typically wear down physically and mentally as the grind continues through the meat of a conference schedule. Doing well in a spring game means nothing come September-November. Those situations are polar opposites.

This is not an indictment against them but one as it relates to that position. No matter how you slice it, it's not a good thing to have two true freshman starting as LB's. Miami's depth must be pretty bad if it shakes out this way. But then again, my guess is that both won't start, barring anything unforeseen.

We have two freshman starting at linebacker in the base package. We don't know yet if they will be the linebackers when we go to nickel. It's hard to say that we are in trouble because we have no idea how these young men are going to play. ****, until fall camp start, we don't even know if Owens doesn't get a starting spot.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Darion Owens will have a say. Coaches need to find a way to get this kid involved and be a force. He is an athletic monster.

I think he will be in the conversation as soon as he is healthy. He seems like a guy that's going to benefit immensely from the scheme change.

 

[Disgustipated]

Darion Owens will have a say. Coaches need to find a way to get this kid involved and be a force. He is an athletic monster.

I think he will be in the conversation as soon as he is healthy. He seems like a guy that's going to benefit immensely from the scheme change.

Has there been any confirmation that he is good to go for camp?

 

[Sooch]

we all forget about Owens. hopefully he bounces back. in HS he was a monster. It's clear the 3 fresh will play along with grace, owens, and i think smith will get alot of reps.
The kid to watch out for was Charles Perry. i think he can contribute, the kid committed to us early and was solid so no one paid attention, he has talent.

I am just hoping that DO will be healthy enough. You don't hear anything about him which always worries me a bit.

 

[supacane]

When Sean Spence came to Miami, he was immediately the best LB on the team. He played all 4 years. Some players are students of the game, it doesn't matter what classification they are. Usually its more of a physical grind that becomes the problem, going against big *** OL. These guys are huge, especially Shaq. They will have no problem taking on blocks.

In any case whether it was FR or SR starting, how the DL perform will have more of an impact on the LB play than their classification.

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[supacane]

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

Were both of them true freshman when they started at linebacker?

Why do you guys keep going off track here...

If you'd like to engage in an intelligent discussion, then please tell me why starting Pinckney over Juwon Young hurts the defense when the coaches chose to start him over Young because they think he's better. Pinckney beat Young out very quickly, and Young's a 3rd year guy who played a lot last year and even started a couple games I think.

Are you going to reply by saying "he's a freshman, so it's going to hurt the defense," or can you discuss the fact that coaches think he's better than the upperclassman? The freshmen aren't starting because there's no one else on the roster. They're starting because they beat out the veterans.

This defense is in trouble if they start two true freshman at LB because that means they are weak at the LB spot. This unit will play such an important role in this scheme. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but young guys typically wear down physically and mentally as the grind continues through the meat of a conference schedule. Doing well in a spring game means nothing come September-November. Those situations are polar opposites.

This is not an indictment against them but one as it relates to that position. No matter how you slice it, it's not a good thing to have two true freshman starting as LB's. Miami's depth must be pretty bad if it shakes out this way. But then again, my guess is that both won't start, barring anything unforeseen.

You're going off the premise that all FR LB are no good. U can look at it two ways. FR are starting because the upperclassmen have not been bad but the FR has been better or you can look and say they are starting by default because the upperclassmen have been so bad. Richt is clearly comfortable with these guys so I'll hold on to that until the season starts. There has been plenty of FR LB who have balled out. All American types. Its not unprecedented

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