The Freshman

[PanteraCanes]

I hear a lot about rookies in the NFL and its strange how each rookie they say its really tough to play his position because you have to do x, y, and z while all other positions are just easier to adjust. Seems to be a moving mark to just try and give a rookie some built in excuse. I have to imagine similar things happen with talking about freshmen. I am of the opinion that if the freshmen beat out the kids who have been here longer then they are going to do the best job. They will make mistakes, but every player on every team is going to make a mistake no mater how older or experienced they are.

 

[The Franchise]

I can't remember a 10-win team with 2 TFs at LB. We need Owens, Perry, Smith and Gordinier to step up. I am super impressed with Shaq. But I would love to see the other guys outperform him and deserve to start ahead of him and the other 2 Frosh phenoms. Certainly no more than 1 TF. Rotate, rotate, rotate to stay healthy, too.

Been plenty of 10 win teams over the history of college football that have started 2 or more freshmen.

At LB? Highly doubt there's been many with 2 TF starting in the LB corps.

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

 

[The Franchise]

I can't remember a 10-win team with 2 TFs at LB. We need Owens, Perry, Smith and Gordinier to step up. I am super impressed with Shaq. But I would love to see the other guys outperform him and deserve to start ahead of him and the other 2 Frosh phenoms. Certainly no more than 1 TF. Rotate, rotate, rotate to stay healthy, too.

Been plenty of 10 win teams over the history of college football that have started 2 or more freshmen.

At LB? Highly doubt there's been many with 2 TF starting in the LB corps.

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

Good point...its no comparison to a FR QB or FR OT those would be the hardest...Pinkney has a Bigger adjustment .. he was a MLB in HS in 3x3x5 where Shaq was a MLB in a 4x3 fill and spill very similar to what UM runs now..and WLB is harder to learn alot more variables to read

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Bottom line: Our coaches think the freshman LBs are better than the vets, as they installed them as starters over the vets. They made that choice very shortly after the freshman arrived. They even jumped guys like Young who have been here a few years and whom our fans seem to think pretty highly of.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Been plenty of 10 win teams over the history of college football that have started 2 or more freshmen.

At LB? Highly doubt there's been many with 2 TF starting in the LB corps.

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

 

[The Franchise]

At LB? Highly doubt there's been many with 2 TF starting in the LB corps.

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

Correct. We'll be longing for our horrible defenses of the last 4 years because we're starting guys who the coaches think are better than vets on the roster.

 

[sebringcanethang23]

we all forget about Owens. hopefully he bounces back. in HS he was a monster. It's clear the 3 fresh will play along with grace, owens, and i think smith will get alot of reps.
The kid to watch out for was Charles Perry. i think he can contribute, the kid committed to us early and was solid so no one paid attention, he has talent.

I agree Charles Perry other than Grace... is arguably the most athletic LB on the roster... and Shaq has said to me that Gordinier and Mike Smith work extremely hard on and off the field... He knows they are pushing him and are capable of passing him on the depth chart... And that keeps him focused at the task at hand... I ask who he thought was better and his reply it depends on the day..

perry was a beast in HS. everyone on here says Gorinider is not athletic so who knows.

No one on here is a coach however and everyone that has seen him compete for UM (including Pete) says he's the goods so fick the couch coaches on here.

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[sebringcanethang23]

Mark Richt on the radio basically said no freshman are getting redshirted and he slipped and said 2 freshman starting linebackers, maybe 3 lol

Homer, mullins , none of em???

Man Homer is ready! If given the opportunity, he can make some plays for us this year. RB's get banged up. Were not exactly stacked at the position either.

Yearby walton and gus are all healthy

And choc

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[sebringcanethang23]

Richt is just saying that the battles haven't been won on the field, so any freshman could start at any positions (save QB). He's not a dumbass like Golden or Shannon and burning a kid's shirt for a couple of plays. He'll determine who's ready over the next 2 months and play them if they are. The rest will ride pine and have 5 to play 4.

I think its also just about depth. We honestly do not have the depth at wr to redshirt any of them. Same with LB, except for maybe McCloud if he is still injured.

Yea but you don't burn a redshirt until you play a down so essentially everyone is there for depth if need be. If they get burnt they get burnt but we don't need someone like choc come in to get 5 carries and burnt his redshirt for nothing.

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[sebringcanethang23]

If two freshman start at LB then this defense will be in trouble.

Yeah that will tough..but on the flip side the exp you have in two years at that position...I would still expect at least 10 wins this season

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I can't remember a 10-win team with 2 TFs at LB. We need Owens, Perry, Smith and Gordinier to step up. I am super impressed with Shaq. But I would love to see the other guys outperform him and deserve to start ahead of him and the other 2 Frosh phenoms. Certainly no more than 1 TF. Rotate, rotate, rotate to stay healthy, too.

Been plenty of 10 win teams over the history of college football that have started 2 or more freshmen.

I believe florida did it for there last championship. I know Janoris Jenkins started for them that year as a freshman.

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[DC Dog Nuts]

If two freshman start at LB then this defense will be in trouble.

Yeah that will tough..but on the flip side the exp you have in two years at that position...I would still expect at least 10 wins this season

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I can't remember a 10-win team with 2 TFs at LB. We need Owens, Perry, Smith and Gordinier to step up. I am super impressed with Shaq. But I would love to see the other guys outperform him and deserve to start ahead of him and the other 2 Frosh phenoms. Certainly no more than 1 TF. Rotate, rotate, rotate to stay healthy, too.

Been plenty of 10 win teams over the history of college football that have started 2 or more freshmen.

I believe florida did it for there last championship. I know Janoris Jenkins started for them that year as a freshman.

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How many true freshman linebackers did Florida start on that team?

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

Correct. We'll be longing for our horrible defenses of the last 4 years because we're starting guys who the coaches think are better than vets on the roster.

But all the really smart Cane fans said it wasn't the players that was the issue with the defense, it was the coaching.

Let's see how the depth chart shakes out when fall camp wraps up.

 

[demcanes26]

At LB? Highly doubt there's been many with 2 TF starting in the LB corps.

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

 

[Coach Macho]

Didn't lil' a$$ Sean Spence start as a Freshman?

Or was he not a full-time starter, just part-time?

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Didn't lil' a$$ Sean Spence start as a Freshman?

Or was he not a full-time starter, just part-time?

We are talking about starting TWO true freshman at the LB corps.....

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Why is LB so much more difficult for a true freshman than QB, OL, DL or Safety? Is it because UM might have 2 freshman at LB, and you enjoy tweaking UM fans?

Can't be that tough of a position for a true freshman, as Pinckney and Shaq replaced veteran players a couple months before their proms.

I never considered LB a tough position for a true freshman, as long as the kid is physically ready.

Shaq and Pinckney agree.

This defense will suffer if they start two TF at the linebacker position. The physical and mental grind of it is hard for freshman to handle for an entire season. I would feel different if they were in the rotation, but to be starters is a whole different thing.

What do you mean rotation? Miami has never really had depth at LB. Vilma and DJ Williams didn't really have true backups. If they are the best players, you play them.

Were both of them true freshman when they started at linebacker?

Why do you guys keep going off track here...

 

[Coach Macho]

Didn't lil' a$$ Sean Spence start as a Freshman?

Or was he not a full-time starter, just part-time?

We are talking about starting TWO true freshman at the LB corps.....

Yeah, yeah, I get that. It's not ideal but there's a possibility that our defense could still be serviceable.

I know it's very rare to see two Freshman starting LB's excelling but it's not often that you see a Linebacker haul like these 3 kids either.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Didn't lil' a$$ Sean Spence start as a Freshman?

Or was he not a full-time starter, just part-time?

We are talking about starting TWO true freshman at the LB corps.....

Yeah, yeah, I get that. It's not ideal but there's a possibility that our defense could still be serviceable.

I know it's very rare to see two Freshman starting LB's excelling but it's not often that you see a Linebacker haul like these 3 kids either.

I will rightfully admit to never seeing these kids in person....

 

[UknowWhat]

Something else...these two have started at LB since Freshmen in High School...they didn't meet their HS peers until they were JRs..Shaq played a game in front of Laremy Tunsil in HS as a freshmen had one of the better games of the season...He is a lot more prepared to face Tunsil now as a 1st rd pick..than he was as a 14 yr old 217lb not knowing how to spell LB..

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[DMoney]

I think our LBs will be much improved even with two true freshmen. If the spring is any indication, these guys are very smart and aren't scared of anybody. Special talents.

 

[TallyCane]

If the DL takes the next step like everybody thinks it will under kool than that will help out these 2 LBs. Id be more worried if they didn't go through a whole spring learning the defense.