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South Side Chi Cane said:
Can't Miami see some silver lining here ?? I mean being one of the cultural and entertainment meccas in the country, wouldn't he rather have his face and name married to something hip and sophisticated in Miami rather then have his face plastered all over Jo Don's car and bike emporium in Tuskkkaloosa ???
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The difference is the bumpkins in Tuscaloosa would actually go out of their way to buy a bike from a shop that advertises with Tua.

A Miami guy driving down the street and sees DJ Dallas picture plastered on the wall would probably think who tf is that.
 
Dingaan1828 said:
Paying players won’t change anything. Boosters will continue to do their thing. What they do now is against the rules. Does anyone believe boosters will suddenly stop buying recruits?
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It won't hurt the SEC or other bag schools, but teams like Miami will be hurt when kids will think well I could go play for USC and sell my likeness instead of going to Miami for free.
 
If Miami doesn't win another title, I'll be fine, the world will go on. That said, I can't with a straight face continue to support a product that doesn't allow young adults the chance to participate in capitalism, while everyone else around them does. Student-athletes are the ONLY people on campus that can't make a dime off their own talent. No one told me my academic ride was at risk, because I decided to moonlight in a lab on the weekends during undergrad. Miami is at a disadvantage, whether the players get paid above or below the table. Maybe it's time to admit that some schools exist to educate and athletics are a nice little marketing tool and entertainment option, while other institutions exist as glorified professional sports franchises.
 
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mdpcane said:
college athletes are ALREADY being compensated .... do people think a college scholarship has no value ?

what the **** is wrong with people ?
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Garbage logic. Student athletes are the ONLY scholarship students that can't make money off their own talent. If a kid on a music scholarship records in his spare time and makes money, no one is threatening his scholarship. I worked throughout undergrad and grad school, I wasn't declared ineligible because I used my talent to make money outside of school. It's shameful that everyone else in the athletic department can participate in the free market, but the people most responsible for the market can't.
 
If passed in Florida could this be a benefit to Miami, considering we are the largest media market in Florida???
 
Canedude08 said:
If Miami doesn't win another title, I'll be fine, the world will go on. That said, I can't with a straight face continue to support a product that doesn't allow young adults the chance to participate in capitalism, while everyone else around them does. Student-athletes are the ONLY people on campus that can't make a dime off their own talent. No one told me my academic ride was at risk, because I decided to moonlight in a lab on the weekends during undergrad. Miami is at a disadvantage, whether the players get paid above or below the table. Maybe it's time to admit that some schools exist to educate and athletics are a nice little marketing tool and entertainment option, while other institutions exist as glorified professional sports franchises.
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I got to tell you that I don’t like your first sentence.
 
SayWhat said:
Cultural mecca. Okay, so what?

I'll tell you what, that won't matter. The big powerhouse programs are currently those same schools you try and downplay with your nonsense.

They have the biggest alumni bases which equates to the most fans. Fans that actually have a connection to the school because they went there. They are tyoically generational fans, meaning grandparents on down.

They also sit atop the most profitable programs in the entire country. They dominate us and our small alumni base in profitability.

They aren't some regional thing or even some city thing. They've spread across the land. Thr NFL has teams all across the country. Large market media cities don't dominate the landscape. If it was just about population, aka media market, NYC, LA, Chicago, etc Would be winning yearly.

Those generational big schools in small television markets aren't going anywhere. They aren't going to be outdone by some city slickers, ain't happening. Cultural diversity and mecca be damned, football is their Saturday event, no contest in that. People always say how there is too much to do to bother going to see our Canes at noon against team x, y, and z. Now all of a sudden that's going to change?

Players at those big schools are gods. Here, even the best players are just small fish is a big pond. The stars are real stars from television, movies, sports, loaded people with money, models everyone knows, etc. Using a players likeness or whatever, that's not going to change a thing.

Silly, just too silly.
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My original post was truly just questions as opposed to trying to change his point of view. He made some good points just as you did. Now, that said you are little snarky, you got to work on that. I will tell you this , I have nothing but contempt for the inbred and their “universities,” so I can be guilty of letting my disgust get the best of me which in turn causes me to say things without giving them the proper thought that they deserve.
 
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RedSquare said:
As a Yale alum, the last thing I ever want to the see is Harvard ruling the roost.
But I get the point.
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TheMatador said:
Can you see those frail weenie professors at Harvard teaching 290 and 320 lb. behemoths with grills? ******* art history professors freaking out when the new kids get on campus?
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Take care to not disparage one of our fine universities. ******* Art History might have improved your player game back in the day.
 
The biggest logical argument I've heard, which can also be logically rebutted, is that football is so all encompassing as a D1 player, that they don't have time to get a job and make money so they can have fun on the weekend, take a girl out, etc. This can and has been pushed back on, but it's logical and I think the fairest of all arguments for players getting paid.

The easy fix is to set an across the board stipend commensurate on the part of the country you're living in, and make it so they get what would amount to a decent, weekly part time job that other college students who aren't star athletes are earning.

I'd be for this if it meant getting rid of this current rush to ***** out and ruin a great many young people.

Guys, the NFL has seminars for star athletes to teach them not to **** their money away and most of those guys are college graduates or close to it. What do you think these 17/18/19 year olds are going to do when they get a hold of the kind of money they've never seen before? And remember, they aren't minors anymore, so you can't "force them" to sock money away.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
Wholeeeee bunch of shady **** going to happen. SEC is going to be able to pay kids "legally". Just funnel all their money into their likeness.
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I reminds me of Rubin in Ocean's Eleven when he's talking about the glory days of being a criminal in Vegas, "Dis sorta ting' use to be civilized. You'd hit a guy, he'd whack ya', done!"
 
canes23 said:
If passed in Florida could this be a benefit to Miami, considering we are the largest media market in Florida???
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Doubt it. Can't even get a IPF funded and you all think some business wants to pay a player for advertisement? I can bet that if you took a picture of our QB and Clemson's QB and walked around Miami it is going to be overwhelming they recognize the Clemson one if they recognize any at all. Also if you are going to pay any money at all why not pay it to one of the 3 major sports team athletes in the city already or some other famous person?
 
Canedude08 said:
Garbage logic. Student athletes are the ONLY scholarship students that can't make money off their own talent. If a kid on a music scholarship records in his spare time and makes money, no one is threatening his scholarship. I worked throughout undergrad and grad school, I wasn't declared ineligible because I used my talent to make money outside of school. It's shameful that everyone else in the athletic department can participate in the free market, but the people most responsible for the market can't.
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You know the answer.

People love this argument but these rules were put in place for a reason.

The NCAA didn't make these rules to hurt kids, they did it because cheating was running rampant. They made these rules for athletes because no one is giving a kid with a music scholarship money to go to the school creating an unfair advantage. The schools agreed to these rules because they all understood that things are a lot different for athletes than they are for other scholarship students.

You may not like how the rules have play out over the years but let's not act as though rules were not needed. Basically, everything people are saying today to get kids money are the very things people used to do to cheat.

This is not going to play out the way many here think.

It may take a State's legislator to get the NCAA to move an inch but they will be moving. CA all but admitted that they did this just to get the NCAA to do something. They did admit it will cause a mess.

The schools, NCAA and States are going to talk and discuss and compromise...so expect some new rules, adjustments to legislation and some new concepts before this is all over.
 
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The population of Tuscaloosa is just over 100,000. Of which, almost 40,000 is Alabama students. The population for all of Tuscaloosa county is just over 200,000. Your opportunities to expand your brand are always going to be limited there. I mean, is the one car dealership in town going to be cutting checks to every single player? On top of the bags they're already dropping?

By comparison, the population of the city of Miami is roughly 465,000. Dade county has 2.75 million residents. Metro Miami, which is Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Monroe counties is over 6 million. That's 2 million more than the ENTIRE state of Alabama. There's way more people here and way more businesses here. Whatever it may lack in die hards, it makes up for in sheer numbers. You're talking about significantly more opportunity.

The big winners here would probably be the southern California schools and the larger, metro area Texas schools. City schools like Miami and Washington would also be net positives.

On the flip side, it could be a death knell for rural schools who don't drop bags like the Iowas and Kansas States of the world.
 
PanteraCanes said:
Doubt it. Can't even get a IPF funded and you all think some business wants to pay a player for advertisement? I can bet that if you took a picture of our QB and Clemson's QB and walked around Miami it is going to be overwhelming they recognize the Clemson one if they recognize any at all. Also if you are going to pay any money at all why not pay it to one of the 3 major sports team athletes in the city already or some other famous person?
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Donating money to the school/athletic department gives a business no return on investment besides maybe a tax write-off. If a business can actually make money by using a player's likeness, it's a whole different story. Businesses are much more willing to spend money if it means they can make money back, rather than just giving it away.
 
DTP said:
Donating money to the school/athletic department gives a business no return on investment besides maybe a tax write-off. If a business can actually make money by using a player's likeness, it's a whole different story. Businesses are much more willing to spend money if it means they can make money back, rather than just giving it away.
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But in Miami, where people barely even know there is a game being played this weekend? Even back in the day, I don't see how a business is going to make money back just by having Clinton Portis in a commercial.
 
DTP said:
The population for all of Tuscaloosa county is just over 200,000. Your opportunities to expand your brand are always going to be limited there. I mean, is the one car dealership in town going to be cutting checks to every single player? On top of the bags they're already dropping?
That's 2 million more than the ENTIRE state of Alabama. There's way more people here and way more businesses here. Whatever it may lack in die hards, it makes up for in sheer numbers. You're talking about significantly more opportunity.

The big winners here would probably be the southern California schools and the larger, metro area Texas schools. City schools like Miami and Washington would also be net positives.

On the flip side, it could be a death knell for rural schools who don't drop bags like the Iowas and Kansas States of the world.
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My question is, would the opportunities to sell their image equal the amount that the top bag getters collect nowadays? I think your rational is fair, just don't know if the interest is there, especially if the team is not a staple of the city.

I don't know if impact the impact on rural schools would be that much, they already recruit from a disadvantageous position.
 
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