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5-7 sounds right.

If they both have good years, I can see somewhere around the 3rd round would be my guess.
 
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fraggle said:
Pinckney and Quarterman BOTH stayed for their senior year and expect to win indicates to me that they know their teammates potential, new coaches abilities and have high expectations for 2019. If they had serious doubts they were both good enough to consider the draft but stayed with their team. That is so Hurricane I like that. No reason than that we fans should have equal expectations.
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I can dig it...I need for those two to obtain 100 tackles a piece this year..is that too much?
 
Tee3000 said:
I can dig it...I need for those two to obtain 100 tackles a piece this year..is that too much?
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Won't happen in Diaz's scheme. Unless the stat guys start getting more generous with giving credit for "assisted tackles".
 
DTP said:
Won't happen in Diaz's scheme. Unless the stat guys start getting more generous with giving credit for "assisted tackles".
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LOL..his scheme is tailored for it...they just don't make enough plays which leaves room for others to get their reps...
 
Since y’all think this **** funny How much y’all wanna bet that Shaq and Pinckney both going in the 1st next NFL draft?
 
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More importantly they both have great seasons and improve their draft stock, hopefully setting an example for these kids leaving early.
 
MainLineCane said:
YES sometimes even bizarre :****: happens in the draft........NOTHING is guaranteed to happen

I learned that startling fact when Willis ACTUALLY went undrafted.....and will NEVER forget it
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My point is that virtually 100% of the reasonable people you talk to, that are knowledgeable, would say they would’ve gotten drafted this past draft.

Obviously not in the higher rounds anyway, or at least that would’ve been unlikely.

I think Willis is just so far outside the curve, just one one of those once every 10 year type exceptions.

There’s almost no reason he should’ve gone undrafted, but we've discussed that ad nauseam. Suffice it to say that from the point of his last game, to and through draft day, Willis did everything wrong. Literally everything. He had zero guidance, or I should say zero good guidance, from his agents and handlers. Literally did everything wrong.

That’s why Willis is just not a good example. Seventh round management did him no favors
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
My point is that virtually 100% of the reasonable people you talk to, that are knowledgeable, would say they would’ve gotten drafted this past draft.

Obviously not in the higher rounds anyway, or at least that would’ve been unlikely.

I think Willis is just so far outside the curve, just one one of those once every 10 year type exceptions.

There’s almost no reason he should’ve gone undrafted, but we've discussed that ad nauseam. Suffice it to say that from the point of his last game, to and through draft day, Willis did everything wrong. Literally everything. He had zero guidance, or I should say zero good guidance, from his agents and handlers. Literally did everything wrong.

That’s why Willis is just not a good example. Seventh round management did him no favors
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I do understand what you're trying to say BUT .....the fact remains that a talented P-5 All* dominate player like Willis still went undrafted...regardless of the circumstances and events....

The talent was there ....yet they still chose to ignore it for your stated ....and whatever other reasons.

We have NO idea ( only conjecture on our parts ) that even if he had done everything "correctly" that he still wouldn't have gone undrafted....we can only guess.

Only thing we KNOW for a fact is that ......Willis went undrafted
 
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Its anyone's prerogative whether they want to believe that:****: never or rarely happens...we all know about stats and outliers...but fact is ..outliers do exist...I now know that even the most bizarre :****: can happen

Looking back, we've ALL had plenty of warnings that even the most bizarre :****:can happen when least expected.

The 87 Fiesta Bowl, NCSU vs.Houston, App State vs. Michigan, Maryland not being able to come back against Miami down 31 points, and numerous "Can't miss" prospects missing

Maryland gets a miracle in Miami | November 10, 1984 | HISTORY

On November 10, 1984, the University of Maryland’s backup quarterback Frank Reich throws six touchdown passes against...
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I've learned over the years to adjust my life and bets accordingly ( based on what and how much I can truly afford to lose) .....and realize that NOTHING is a sure thing...UNTIL IT HAPPENS
 
MainLineCane said:
Its anyone's prerogative whether they want to believe that:****: never or rarely happens...we all know about stats and outliers...but fact is ..outliers do exist...I now know that even the most bizarre :****: can happen

Looking back, we've ALL had plenty of warnings that even the bizarre can happen when least expected.

The Fiesta Bowl, NCSU vs.Houston, App State vs. Michigan, Maryland not being able to come back against Miami down 31 points, and numerous "Can't miss" prospects missing

Maryland gets a miracle in Miami | November 10, 1984 | HISTORY

On November 10, 1984, the University of Maryland’s backup quarterback Frank Reich throws six touchdown passes against...
www.history.com www.history.com

I've learned over the years to adjust my life and bets accordingly ( based on what and how much I can truly afford to lose) .....and realize that NOTHING is a sure thing...UNTIL IT HAPPENS
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Life is just one big decision tree. If you’re smart you always pick the branch with the highest probability. But there are never any certainties. There’s no certainty the sun comes up tomorrow. There’s a minuscule possibility that world is dead tomorrow morning because an earth killing asteroid hits us tonight.

So I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. It was a high probability, in my mind anyway, a 99% chance that both those guys would’ve gotten drafted last April. Most people would agree. People are virtually 100% sure on Shaq, somewhat slightly less than 100% on Pinckney. It’s just that everyone was pretty much in agreement that they would get drafted NOT in the higher, but lower, rounds
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Life is just one big decision tree. If you’re smart you always pick the branch with the highest probability. But there are never any certainties. There’s no certainty the sun comes up tomorrow. There’s a minuscule possibility that world is dead tomorrow morning because an earth killing asteroid hits us tonight.

So I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. It was a high probability, in my mind anyway, a 99% chance that both those guys would’ve gotten drafted last April. Most people would agree. People are virtually 100% sure on Shaq, somewhat slightly less than 100% on Pinckney. It’s just that everyone was pretty much in agreement that they would get drafted NOT in the higher, but lower, rounds
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My point is simple and straightforward, regardless of what percentage of people who thought player X would be drafted wherever.....they are at best only guessing what the drafting teams will do...and that cannot be predicted with any high degree of certainty.

You seem to think that it can be predicted with a high degree of certainty..

This is unresolvable between us ......so let's just leave it at that
 
MainLineCane said:
My point is simple and straightforward,
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So is mine.

It’s the fundamental difference between possibility, probability, and certainty.

Nothing is certain.

Virtually anything is possible.

Everything else is assigned range of probabilities, from low to high.

Generally, intelligent discussion involves the assignation of a range of probabilities.

Obstinate and unreasonable debaters focus on the improbable as a touchstone debating point, when in fact, it weakens their original premise.

Cheers.
 
Why the discussion about where they might go in the draft, I am just super pleased they both stayed and for the reason they stayed. Imagine if both had left the hysteria here would be off the charts. I hope they don't read this thread but if they do, THANK YOU FOR STAYING! IT'S GREAT TO BE A MIAMI HURRICANE!
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
So is mine.

It’s the fundamental difference between possibility, probability, and certainty.

Nothing is certain.

Virtually anything is possible.

Everything else is assigned range of probabilities, from low to high.

Generally, intelligent discussion involves the assignation of a range of probabilities.

Obstinate and unreasonable debaters focus on the improbable as a touchstone debating point, when in fact, it weakens their original premise.

Cheers.
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Get a hold of yourself OCCC.. I attended the same stat classes you did at UPenn. Name calling or trying to get in the last word doesn't change the facts. I said let it drop....you can't seem to.

Our best defensive player went undrafted, all the others were not drafted anywhere close to where you and others consensus were....that's par for the course...the draft ( outside of the top) has continually proven to be very uncertain fact. ....yet you're still pushing for certainty in the realm of proven uncertainty....well OCCC have at it ....alone.

Despite ALL the facts to the contrary...you still want to believe that the draft is predictable...fine. I won't try to demean you for your thoughts however obstinate or irrational they may be versus proven facts...

I'll just say that I don't share them .....because it never bothered me if someone disagreed even if they are obviously unreasonable

This was enjoyable until it wasn't.

Have a good one
 
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